NFL Thread 2013-14

gormless said:
Not sure how to quote on this new site. Annoying. But in answer to Earthquake, its probably gonna be very rough indeed, but it could also be the season that Brady cements himself as the best ever if he drags them deep into the playoffs
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I suppose you could argue that he dragged them so far in 2006; it was looking miraculous at half time of the AFC championship game. I still count that as one of his best seasons, despite the stats and the turnovers in the Playoffs. He had to force it and was clearly throwing to people he wasn’t fully comfortable with.

They still have more talent than they did that year. They’ve got to hope Gronk is close to healthy at the end of the year, I’d sit him to start the regular season. The frustrating thing is that, due to circumstances mainly out of their control, you’re asking him to do a similar thing at the age of 36. Ideally they would be surrounding him with talent at this stage to set up an Elway like run.
 
Either way, declarations that their season’s over are ridiculous. They’ll be competitive.

Really difficult to watch someone as talented as him seemingly throw it all away.

More important than all the crap I just wrote, someone’s dead as well.
 
I'd say that set up was exactly the plan, just with monumental failure trying to scrape as many pennies for other players as possible by cheaping out on Welker, and of course all the injuries and other problems that cropped up.
 
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...t-yet-known/wK61wqDS7zOjYdOHIpq80O/story.html

Surveillance cameras in the North Attleborough industrial park where Lloyd was murdered captured the men arriving in the same silver Nissan that Lloyd had gotten into in Dorchester, the prosecutor said.

Once near a wooded area, Lloyd started climbing out of the car, and was shot once, which knocked him to the ground. As he lay there, he raised his arm and was shot multiple times. Five spent .45-caliber spent shell casings were later recovered, McCauley said.

When Hernandez returned home around 3:30 a.m. Monday, surveillance video at his house showed him walking through his house holding a pistol in his hand, the prosecutor said.
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From 2009,
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Earthquake said:
I'd say that set up was exactly the plan, just with monumental failure trying to scrape as many pennies for other players as possible by cheaping out on Welker, and of course all the injuries and other problems that cropped up.
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Yep. Like I said it’s pretty much been stuff out of their control. I struggle with the idea that they let Welker go because they were cheap; it wasn’t a big difference in terms of their reported final offer. The way the offense was structured last year prior to Hernandez' ankle injury, the modest deal he received from Denver and also the money they gave to Amendola indicate something else.

A decision to change and have Gronk and Hernandez as primary options in the middle of the field. Invest in them long term as well as drafting and getting younger on the outside. One of the decisions obviously looks like a mistake - the Hernandez contract. Now can Gronk and Amendola stay healthy and offer more of a vertical threat down the seam and ability outside the numbers? Can they develop some outside receivers?
 
Have they given a reason why the guy was shot?

If Hernandez is guilty, he should be forced to give up his guaranteed money which he hasn't already received. The Pats can take a cap hit but he should not receive anything if he's found guilty IMO.
 
I had guessed they were trying to barter or haggle a bit with Welker and Denver said "feck it, we'll give ya what you want", probably wrong there.

Like you say, mostly out of their control. Hard to call Hernandez a mistake, as mush as severely unfortunate. Perhaps they shouldn't have drafted him at all, but they usually have success with troubled players. I think early reports are expecting Gronk back week 6, Amendola seems a good player. I have a feeling Dobson could be a good 'un, but who knows how much he'll be used this season.
 
ha_rooney said:
Have they given a reason why the guy was shot?

If Hernandez is guilty, he should be forced to give up his guaranteed money which he hasn't already received. The Pats can take a cap hit but he should not receive anything if he's found guilty IMO.
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Apaprently, Hernandez saw him in a club talking to some guys "he didn't like". Sounds like it could be gang stuff, if that is the reason.
 
It's amazing how different the NFL/NHL is compared to NBA/MLB. I don't think he could be cut in the NBA/MLB with those unions and guaranteed contracts and how the CBA is worded, granted things may have changed over the years.
 
For more than 20 minutes, Bristol County prosecutor William McCauley stood in a Massachusetts courtroom Wednesday detailing the events that led to Aaron Hernandez's arrest and subsequent charge of first-degree murder.
With Hernandez, who pled not guilty to the charge, standing just a few feet away, McCauley went through a timeline of events – extracted from surveillance videos, cell phone records and cell phone towers – that the prosecution says ended with the execution of Odin Lloyd:
June 16
9:02 p.m.: Hernandez texts a friend out of state saying "please make it back"
9:05: Hernandez texts Lloyd that he wants to get together
9:35: Hernandez texts a friend in Connecticut that says "get your ass up here"
10:23: Hernandez texts the same friend, "Hurry your ass up"
McCauley indicated that Hernandez recently had 14 surveillance cameras installed in his home. Video from the cameras show two men arriving at Hernandez's home in North Attelboro. Later footage shows Hernandez with a firearm. At one point, Hernandez says to one of the men that he "can't trust anyone anymore," according to McCauley.
June 17
1:12 a.m.: The three men depart Hernandez's home in a silver Nissan Altima, according to surveillance video, cell phone towers and cell phone records.
Cell towers track their movement south on Interstate-95. At some point, they turn around, then head north before stopping at a gas station on Route 128.
2:10: Hernandez buys gas, a pack of Bubblicious gum, and rolling papers.
2:32: The silver Altima arrives at Lloyd's house. Hernandez sends a text message: "We're here."
Lloyd's sister watches Odin Lloyd leave the house and get into the silver Altima. Neighborhood surveillance video shows Hernandez arriving in the neighborhood, as well.
Surveillance video tracks the car around Boston.
McCauley explains that during ride back toward North Attelboro, Hernandez tells Lloyd that when they were at a club, Rumors, the previous Friday night, "certain things upset him," including Lloyd talking to some people Hernandez had "troubles" with. McCauley did not indicate how he obtained this information.
Prosecution says the text indicates the "temperature" in the car"
3:07: Lloyd texts his sister, "Did you see who I was with?"
McCauley suggests that this indicates the "temperature" in the car.
Lloyd does not receive a response.
3:11: Lloyd texts his sister again, "Hello"
3:19: Lloyd's sister responds, "My phone was dead. Who?"
3:22: Lloyd responds, "NFL"
3:23: Lloyd: "Just so you know"
By this point, the four men inside the silver Altima have gotten off I-95 on Route 152, near Hernandez's home, McCauley says records show.
3:23 a.m.: McCauley says surveillance video shows the Altima at a fork in the road. McCauley indicates that one way leads to Hernandez's home, the other down a gravel road where Lloyd's body would later be found. Video shows Hernandez's car going down the gravel road behind a group of industrial buildings.
3:23-3:27: People working the overnight in the industrial park hear gunshots.
3:27: Silver Altima is viewed coming out of gravel road.
3:29: Video at Hernandez's home shows the silver Altima pulling into his driveway.
McCauley states that the distance between where Lloyd's body was found and Hernandez's home is a 2-minute drive.
The crime scene:
• According to McCauley, police found five shell casings – three at Lloyd's feet, two some distance away.
• An autopsy showed two wounds to the chest – one near the left nipple, the other near the right nipple.
• Lloyd did not appear to be robbed, as he still had his wallet, phone and keys.
McCauley explained that Hernandez returned the Altima to a rental car agency, with the driver's-side mirror missing. A worker at rental agency discovered a shell casing under the driver's seat, next to a Bubblicious wrapper. The shell casing and the gum wrapper were tossed into a garbage bin, where police later found.
After McCauley finished, Hernandez's defense team requested their client be granted bail based on the prosecution's reliance on circumstantial evidence. "It is at bottom a circumstantial case," Hernandez's attorney Michael Fee told the court. "It is not a strong case." Bail was denied and Hernandez, who stood expressionless through most of the arraignment, remained in custody.



This guy is sooooooooo feckED.....and a moron to boot.
 
feck sake, how senseless

Guy has physical abilities that make him a millionaire, but lacks any fundamental, practical skills, ie, a brain

Threw it all away over something so dumb
 
I don't see why you're all so quick to call him an idiot. He's just a crazy psychopath.
 
Hernandez is ridiculously stupid. If i was worth $40 million I would pay somebody to do it for me, rather than being the trigger man. He could have flown to the other side of the world on holiday whilst it happened. Quite morbid, but there was no need for him to be there
 
gormless said:
Hernandez is ridiculously stupid. If i was worth $40 million I would pay somebody to do it for me, rather than being the trigger man. He could have flown to the other side of the world on holiday whilst it happened. Quite morbid, but there was no need for him to be there
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Exactly.....will be interesting to see how this turns out...no matter what, one thing is for sure, his NFL career is over, even if he gets a light sentence or by some miracle of God, gets away with it, no team will ever touch this guy again.
 
They must not rate Cruz that high. Other receives have received more lucrative deals and guaranteed money from what I vaguely remember. I could be wrong though.
 
Brilliant, more issues to deal with. And I thought Tebow would be the one who'd cause most of the off-field drama.
 
MrMarcello said:
They must not rate Cruz that high. Other receives have received more lucrative deals and guaranteed money from what I vaguely remember. I could be wrong though.
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I think you are mistaken. I think they rate him very highly. He was their best receiver last season and didnt he go undrafted two seasons ago? The Giants, in my opinion, have a very good receiver and he will go on to be a very very efficient player for them.
 
RDCR07 said:
I think you are mistaken. I think they rate him very highly. He was their best receiver last season and didnt he go undrafted two seasons ago? The Giants, in my opinion, have a very good receiver and he will go on to be a very very efficient player for them.
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I think they rate him as a very good #2 receiver, but not good enough to warrant #1 status. Nicks is their #1 in my opinion, if he can stay on the field.
 
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