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I think the issue for Kamara is that because of his status, irrespective of the scenario and circumstance, this kind of ordeal will always negatively impact his character. It’s tough because I think regardless of whether he was antagonised or not the instigator, he will still take the headlines for negative reasons. If that is the case, I do have some sympathy. But apart from a very very rare set of circumstances, people can always walk away instead of taking this course of action. And he has to recognise he has to do that, because of who he is. It’s an unfair higher standard but one everyone knows is the case when you’re famous. So in that sense, he’s still made a mistake.

I agree with this.
 
Oh look deflatgate is an even bigger load of nothing than it already was - or maybe even worse depending on how you look at it.

Troy Vincent is a scumbag.
 
Florio released bits from his upcoming book. One thing was that it was Troy Vincent that leaked the bit about 11 of 12 balls that were deflated which ignited the whole thing.
The information was eventually shown to be false. Mort took the bullet for it, never complaining or calling out his source…. So who was his source? Per a source with knowledge of the situation and as explained in Playmakers, the source for the notorious 11-of-12 footballs report was NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent.

Second thing was the NFL did its own testing on pressure fluctuations due to natural causes by halftime and several of them fell out of the approved range, but never released the numbers and later deleted them.
Indeed, it was believed that the actual numbers measured in the footballs used by the Patriots were generally consistent with the numbers that the atmospheric conditions should have generated that day. This should have resulted in a finding that, at most, the evidence was inconclusive as to whether there had been deliberate deflation on the day in question.

PFT
 


This is an interesting graph.

- The 2015 Broncos D was out of this world
- Bengals first Super Bowl team in a decade outside the top 10 in both offense and defense.
 


This is an interesting graph.

- The 2015 Broncos D was out of this world
- Bengals first Super Bowl team in a decade outside the top 10 in both offense and defense.


Very interesting indeed. The teams that have really overcome a much stronger defense to win the Superb Owl looks to be the 2014 Patriots and 2019 Chiefs. Also, it's surprising to me, that the Ravens 2012 defense was actually ranked lower than the 49'ers. I thought that D with Ray Lewis, T-Sizzle and Ed Reed was pretty much the best thing ever, even if Lewis was on his last legs.
 


This is an interesting graph.

- The 2015 Broncos D was out of this world
- Bengals first Super Bowl team in a decade outside the top 10 in both offense and defense.


Fecking Brady being carried to half of his rings by the #15, #27 and #28 defences. :mad:
 
Yeah it's Super Bowl teams, not winners. Also based on regular season EPA, so rankings don't necessarily equal the rank on total offense/defense if I interpret the stat right.
 
The problem with many NFL stats appears here again.
You can not really say whether it's a top 10 defence / offence. Rankings based on results against different teams are very much questionable.
 
The problem with many NFL stats appears here again.
You can not really say whether it's a top 10 defence / offence. Rankings based on results against different teams are very much questionable.
Flawed stats
Don't see why that's a "problem with NFL stats". If you apply the right context to stats they are most certainly very useful (e.g. like you say based on results against different teams). In fact, the trend that a lot of Super Bowl teams have had a top 5 ranked offense in the last 10 years proves that there's a pattern to be discovered there. They are obviously not the end all be all (or the holy grail some make them out to be) but they are very useful if applied correctly to draw certain conclusions or base some arguments on imo.
 
Don't see why that's a "problem with NFL stats". If you apply the right context to stats they are most certainly very useful (e.g. like you say based on results against different teams). In fact, the trend that a lot of Super Bowl teams have had a top 5 ranked offense in the last 10 years proves that there's a pattern to be discovered there. They are obviously not the end all be all (or the holy grail some make them out to be) but they are very useful if applied correctly to draw certain conclusions or base some arguments on imo.
I agree - I'm saying measuring regular season defensive EPA and applying it in this way is flawed. Flawed stats.
 
Don't see why that's a "problem with NFL stats". If you apply the right context to stats they are most certainly very useful (e.g. like you say based on results against different teams). In fact, the trend that a lot of Super Bowl teams have had a top 5 ranked offense in the last 10 years proves that there's a pattern to be discovered there. They are obviously not the end all be all (or the holy grail some make them out to be) but they are very useful if applied correctly to draw certain conclusions or base some arguments on imo.
They are mainly applied to tell a story and generate clicks. The Top 10 cutoff point is totally arbitrary in a 32 Teams league.

Top 10 might just mean they had an easy fixture list like the Cowboys who have the best offence in the league.

If the teams with an easier draw win more often the probability is higher for them to be in the top 10. So once the play off begin most of the teams will have a top 10 offence, hence it is super plausible that when two of them reach the SB, they will likely have a top 10 offence.
 
They are mainly applied to tell a story and generate clicks. The Top 10 cutoff point is totally arbitrary in a 32 Teams league.

Top 10 might just mean they had an easy fixture list like the Cowboys who have the best offence in the league.

If the teams with an easier draw win more often the probability is higher for them to be in the top 10. So once the play off begin most of the teams will have a top 10 offence, hence it is super plausible that when two of them reach the SB, they will likely have a top 10 offence.
Nah disagree, if you go down that route then any cut-off point can be considered arbitrary. There is nothing wrong with top 10s, even if your league consists of 32 teams.

I'd also say you have it backwards imo - teams with a top 10 offense win more games rather than teams with an easier draw win more games, hence automatically have a better offense? I don't see the causality in that. If anything you don't need to put up big points if you play weak opponents.

It also clearly shows that the phrase "offense wins games, defense wins championships" is outdated in the NFL.
 
So where’s Kyler Murray going to end up?
If he continues with his antics, there might be a place somewhere in a kindergarten for him. What a childish non-sense.
 
If he continues with his antics, there might be a place somewhere in a kindergarten for him. What a childish non-sense.
What happened? Haven’t been paying attention.
 
Yes, the A’s still retain his rights and being a top-ten pick his salary would be decent compared to others trying to get into the major leagues.

I was just joking though, or…half-joking? I don’t know. Some people just periodically scrub social media accounts. The sky could have been the limit for him there though where his height won’t be a limiting factor.
 
Yes, the A’s still retain his rights and being a top-ten pick his salary would be decent compared to others trying to get into the major leagues.

I was just joking though, or…half-joking? I don’t know. Some people just periodically scrub social media accounts. The sky could have been the limit for him there though where his height won’t be a limiting factor.
Is it though? He's 2cm smaller than Russell Wilson for example, and he was the MVP frontrunner midway through the season until he got injured. His overall ceiling will be capped once his rushing ability declines but for now I don't see it as an issue.
 
What happened? Haven’t been paying attention.

Removed all AZ related content from his socials and unfollowed the team accounts.

Yes, the A’s still retain his rights and being a top-ten pick his salary would be decent compared to others trying to get into the major leagues.

I was just joking though, or…half-joking? I don’t know. Some people just periodically scrub social media accounts. The sky could have been the limit for him there though where his height won’t be a limiting factor.

I assumed you were joking but I had a vague recollection that he got drafted high in baseball too.

I don’t think his height is a dealbreaker, he’s a damn good player.

He’ll probably stay where he is in the end, but another situation to keep an eye on.
 
Is it though? He's 2cm smaller than Russell Wilson for example, and he was the MVP frontrunner midway through the season until he got injured. His overall ceiling will be capped once his rushing ability declines but for now I don't see it as an issue.

It's still a limiting factor for the both of them, they overcome it with exceptional traits but in the MLB his size would be a non-factor.
 
Is it though? He's 2cm smaller than Russell Wilson for example, and he was the MVP frontrunner midway through the season until he got injured. His overall ceiling will be capped once his rushing ability declines but for now I don't see it as an issue.
Everyone has a limiting factor. Height is just about the only important physical trait where he’s not well above the 90th % for a QB.

While the injury to Nuk was well documented, his (and the Cards) slide also coincided with an injury to their very solid Center they picked up this past offseason. If you can push back the interior OL into him and limit his throwing lanes, you can make him dance. That’s not all due to height, and it’s more or less true for all QBs, but it’s especially true for him.
 
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I assumed you were joking but I had a vague recollection that he got drafted high in baseball too.

I don’t think his height is a dealbreaker, he’s a damn good player.

He’ll probably stay where he is in the end, but another situation to keep an eye on.
Thanks.
 
Regarding stats, you need to look at advanced stats Football Outsiders has DVOA which allows to compare teams in a more fair way.
 
Regarding stats, you need to look at advanced stats Football Outsiders has DVOA which allows to compare teams in a more fair way.
Still gives me the same impression as the EPA graphic above. Apart from the 2015 Broncos, who had an otherworldly defense, and 2012 Ravens (just an outlier), all 10 Super Bowl winners were inside the top 7 in offense DVOA, while 7 out of those 10 were out of the top 10 in defensive DVOA.
 
Still gives me the same impression as the EPA graphic above. Apart from the 2015 Broncos, who had an otherworldly defense, and 2012 Ravens (just an outlier), all 10 Super Bowl winners were inside the top 7 in offense DVOA, while 7 out of those 10 were out of the top 10 in defensive DVOA.

I was talking about people having an issue with the stats and their context. It has been established years ago that offense wins titles.
 
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