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Be funny if the Cowboys made the SB and all the fecking about delaying the suspension meant that was one of the games he ended up missing.
 
fecking hypocrite is Jezza. I seem to recall him being perfectly fine with Brady's 4 game ban.


Which as it happens was a perfectly fair and just decision. (white text)
 
No surprise. As soon as Rodgers got injured he pretty much downed tools and talked about retirement. He got his wish.
Shame
 
Great move for the Pats. Allen has been useless & gives us cover for Gronk. Although, I’m not sure how healthy Bennett is himself.
 
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RE: Green Bay (hence the tag for all of you who were discussing)

The thing is, Rodgers is down. I get that and all who follow the NFL do. And let’s be frank he carried your team.

Thing is, (and yes one game sample so far I know) Watson over at the Texans is a rookie who, yes was playing great, but still is a rookie. All teams who lose a no.1 QB struggle but what suprised me was Texans losing Watson has had what is a similar impact to GB losing Rodgers - at least in the last game.

Point being, for all the greatness of Rodgers, it seems that other teams who lose their no.1 QB have had a similar drop off.

And so begs the question; what’s the real issue here? Given losing Rodgers hasn’t been much different to other teams losing a no.1 QB. You’d thing the slide off would be even greater given the brilliance of rodgers, no?

For me, the buck stops at MM. And I’ve felt that way ever since your playoff loss to the Seahawks a few years ago where the negative play calling ultimately cost you.

And it’s not just that. Whenever I watch Green Bay (and I try to catch every game every week condensed on game pass) I’m shocked how often Rodgers must scramble to make ad hoc plays.

I compare that to us. Green Bay doesn’t have an o-line any worse than Brady has had in the last few years. Yet we find a way to make real plays which gets the ball out quickly to receivers and backs in space.

Ok GB does not have Gronk. But neither did we last year. And you got very good receivers in Nelson Cobb and Adams. Montgomery should be a weapon out of the backfield on pass plays. Yet, none of that materialises. And to me it’s all on the play calling and play design.

Rodgers is great out of the pocket but he shouldn’t have to go out of the pocket as much as he does. You’ve got the pieces to make plays traditionally. Yet, it happens time and time again. You should be able to make plays which play out as they should and pick up downs and yards. Never happens though.

And that’s IMO why it ends up being Rodgers carrying you. Because, the next QB in simply cant ad hoc the way he does; no one can.
 
ha_rooney said:
Great move for the Pats. Allen has been useless & gives us cover for Gronk. Although, I’m not sure how healthy Bennett is himself.
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Bennett clearly doesn’t have his mind in it anymore. All the more reason why his pick up is a shrewd move though. You energise him for what could be his least season then call it quits.

Don’t think he’s healthy right now but when he’s back, those two TE sets will be effective in a way we could not do with Allen who, let’s face it, has been a bust.

And the reliance on him performing isn’t quite like last year either. So should be good.
 
rpitroda said:
@Sylar @Edgar Allan Pillow @HTG

RE: Green Bay (hence the tag for all of you who were discussing)

The thing is, Rodgers is down. I get that and all who follow the NFL do. And let’s be frank he carried your team.

Thing is, (and yes one game sample so far I know) Watson over at the Texans is a rookie who, yes was playing great, but still is a rookie. All teams who lose a no.1 QB struggle but what suprised me was Texans losing Watson has had what is a similar impact to GB losing Rodgers - at least in the last game.

Point being, for all the greatness of Rodgers, it seems that other teams who lose their no.1 QB have had a similar drop off.

And so begs the question; what’s the real issue here? Given losing Rodgers hasn’t been much different to other teams losing a no.1 QB. You’d thing the slide off would be even greater given the brilliance of rodgers, no?

For me, the buck stops at MM. And I’ve felt that way ever since your playoff loss to the Seahawks a few years ago where the negative play calling ultimately cost you.

And it’s not just that. Whenever I watch Green Bay (and I try to catch every game every week condensed on game pass) I’m shocked how often Rodgers must scramble to make ad hoc plays.

I compare that to us. Green Bay doesn’t have an o-line any worse than Brady has had in the last few years. Yet we find a way to make real plays which gets the ball out quickly to receivers and backs in space.

Ok GB does not have Gronk. But neither did we last year. And you got very good receivers in Nelson Cobb and Adams. Montgomery should be a weapon out of the backfield on pass plays. Yet, none of that materialises. And to me it’s all on the play calling and play design.

Rodgers is great out of the pocket but he shouldn’t have to go out of the pocket as much as he does. You’ve got the pieces to make plays traditionally. Yet, it happens time and time again. You should be able to make plays which play out as they should and pick up downs and yards. Never happens though.

And that’s IMO why it ends up being Rodgers carrying you. Because, the next QB in simply cant ad hoc the way he does; no one can.
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Great post and I definitely agree with your assessment. That’s why I mean the talent is there. But we refuse to run the ball regularly and we count on Rodgers to create magic. McCarthy has absolutely no idea how to get his receivers open. That we are unable to attack the space with Cobb and Montgomery is embarrassing. The team is better than what we are seeing.
 
HTG said:
Great post and I definitely agree with your assessment. That’s why I mean the talent is there. But we refuse to run the ball regularly and we count on Rodgers to create magic. McCarthy has absolutely no idea how to get his receivers open. That we are unable to attack the space with Cobb and Montgomery is embarrassing. The team is better than what we are seeing.
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This.
 
Another issue for the Packers is the defense. Yes they've had injuries but the personnel doesn't match the scheme they play. Always tough for a small market team with no mega rich owner because they can't really go out and spend big money and be close to the cap every year.
 
HTG said:
Great post and I definitely agree with your assessment. That’s why I mean the talent is there. But we refuse to run the ball regularly and we count on Rodgers to create magic. McCarthy has absolutely no idea how to get his receivers open. That we are unable to attack the space with Cobb and Montgomery is embarrassing. The team is better than what we are seeing.
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Agree. When we talk of Rodgers, it’s always “he’s the most naturally talented QB” or “he makes plays no one else can”.

Contrast to Brady - about his wins and stats.

My point is, for all his greatness, Rodgers’ stats aren’t extraordinary like they should be. Because the only reason he has comparable stats to players like Brady atm is because he makes up for the issue with great ad hoc plays.

It shouldn’t be that way IMO. Rodgers should, based purely on talent, be way ahead of the players his stats are comparable with. And the reason they aren’t for me at least is cos he spends his time getting to those stats by fixing broken plays.

You put him with a co-ordinator like Shanahan was, and he quite possibly could record one of the best seasons by a QB in history, without any roster changes whatsoever.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
Another issue for the Packers is the defense. Yes they've had injuries but the personnel doesn't match the scheme they play. Always tough for a small market team with no mega rich owner because they can't really go out and spend big money and be close to the cap every year.
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A bad defence explains why you could lose games. It doesn’t explain why the offence consistently underperforms with one of the greatest QBs of all time.
 
Freedom Aluteni said:
Another issue for the Packers is the defense. Yes they've had injuries but the personnel doesn't match the scheme they play. Always tough for a small market team with no mega rich owner because they can't really go out and spend big money and be close to the cap every year.
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We were able to attract Bennett and Peppers. Don’t think we have a small market either. The Packers have a gigantic reach, especially in small cities, and are one of the most followed teams in the whole league. Wisconsin is not attractive, but the Packers are.
Ted Thompson simply doesn’t believe in free agency.
 
Also, a completely left field argument:

You rarely see Brady looking multiple directions on pass plays. He knows who will be open and where because his intangible abilities mean he can read the defence before the ball is even snapped.

For all Rodgers can do, might this also be part of the issue too? How much does Rodgers do pre-snap? How does he read the field? I can’t say I regularly see Rodgers making adjustments like the other greats do. A potential weakness maybe? Or am I way off the mark here?
 
rpitroda said:
Also, a completely left field argument:

You rarely see Brady looking multiple directions on pass plays. He knows who will be open and where because his intangible abilities mean he can read the defence before the ball is even snapped.

For all Rodgers can do, might this also be part of the issue too? How much does Rodgers do pre-snap? How does he read the field? I can’t say I regularly see Rodgers making adjustments like the other greats do. A potential weakness maybe? Or am I way off the mark here?
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I'm gonna say way off the mark. Rodgers has always struck me as someone very adept at manipulating defences and reading coverages. Is anyone ever in anything else than press-man cover 2 against the Packers anyways?
 
What happened to the defenceless receiver penalties? Keep seeing receivers getting nailed in the head.
 
rpitroda said:
Also, a completely left field argument:

You rarely see Brady looking multiple directions on pass plays. He knows who will be open and where because his intangible abilities mean he can read the defence before the ball is even snapped.

For all Rodgers can do, might this also be part of the issue too? How much does Rodgers do pre-snap? How does he read the field? I can’t say I regularly see Rodgers making adjustments like the other greats do. A potential weakness maybe? Or am I way off the mark here?
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1- Brady is always looking multiple directions. If not for the open man then to look off a safety. That's just crazy talk.
2- Rodgers is terrific pre-snap. Not only at adjustments but knowing how to draw lineman offside. That's also crazy talk.

You crazy. At talkin'.
 
Did any of you just see that? A blind alley to a 64yds gain seemingly out of nowhere.



ETA: Courtesy of some lip reading, Sherman thinks that he's done his Achilles.
 
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Russ the Buss. Great play, that Graham connection starting to get going too....dominating catches in the endzone, but nothing mega big.
 
What a play!!

Another injury to a big player & personality in the NFL. Been a terrible season with superstars getting injured.
 
@rpitroda Great posts. I agree with almost everything. Only thing I dont agree with is the talk about Rodgers pre-snap. As has been noted, hes fantastic at reading the field. Hes fantastic at always getting a free play by being aware of whats going on. Havent seen a QB catch out D' for 12 men on the field as much as he does.

Rodgers has basically kept MM in his job. Weve made a few post-seasons purely due to Rodgers having to go outside the playcalling. Its no surprise Packers look best when we are in a no huddle. MM should not be our coach anymore, our offence is too predictable. At times we should be blowing out teams but the negativity of MM means we sometime have to settle for 3 or we give the ball back to the opposition trying to 'burn the clock' or whatever

I do think you put a different head coach for Packers and we become a more than just a playoff team.
 
rpitroda said:
For me, the buck stops at MM. And I’ve felt that way ever since your playoff loss to the Seahawks a few years ago where the negative play calling ultimately cost you.
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And to me it’s all on the play calling and play design.
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Sylar said:
MM should not be our coach anymore, our offence is too predictable. At times we should be blowing out teams but the negativity of MM means we sometime have to settle for 3 or we give the ball back to the opposition trying to 'burn the clock' or whatever
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This seems to be the unanimous opinion of those who follow or watch Green Bay. I'd add Ted Thompson and Dom Capers to the list of those that need to be let go.

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But we refuse to run the ball regularly
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McCarthy has absolutely no idea how to get his receivers open.
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We do actually, when we had proper running backs. Lacy and Stark made for a good due till we let Stark go and Lacy went from great to crap just like that! We' were using Cobb out of backfield, which kinda runined his output and got us no benefits. When we got Monty, we actually ran good with him and Ripkowski...and now with Jones. I'm looking to games when we have Monty, Jones and Rip all firing!

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Ok GB does not have Gronk. But neither did we last year.
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It's a question about balance and variety of threats. Gronk aside, I'm a big fan of utility players like Amendola, Edelman etc who can be used in variety of plays. I thought we finally got a proper TE who can catch and block in Jared Cook and he was stupidly let go. I have no idea what's going on with Bennett.

We depend on Rodgers to throw, Adams and Jordy to get past their markers etc and there's no support from the MMs play design which should enable them to gets free. We've been dependant on individual's talents till now and it's biting up back.
 
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It's the same story in Rugby and why you never see two games in a week. We also know that in Rugby a full week isn't even enough, players play with painkillers all year long.
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They do in rugby league
Over easter, teams play Thursday/Friday and then Monday

And want to say they do the same again over the second BH weekend in May
 
EdWeatherall said:
Cowboys
But i hope Falcons for some reason
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Bryant is banged up and Zeke suspended, they looked great the last couple of weeks but I see the Falcons winning this one, Cowboys' D doesn't win them games either.
 
rpitroda said:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/richard-sherman-seahawks-thursday-night-football/
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Cheers for sharing that.

Being a Niners fan, I have a rational dislike of Sherman form our rivalry (that ended when we stopped being good). But from this article, and from reading and watching many other speeches and interviews he has given, I think he speaks abut the real issues players face extremely powerfully.

I remember he answered a question regarding student athletes here (no idea why the video plays 3 times!!)
 
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