Cowherd will go on a spiel and two days later completely contradict it.
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True. I’m a First Take guy myself but they’ve been talking NBA for the last few days ffs.
I struggle to believe that garbage.
Guys an idiot. Starts of saying it is just his theory, then of course tries to say he has it sourced. Covers his ass no matter what happens. Given the moves the Pats made this offseason they were loading up for a run at the title with Brady at QB.
Additionally , since so many people caught in the Jimmy G latest hot new thing hype have forgotten, who won the Super Bowl last year with a great come from behind performance? Oh yeah Ton Brady. No way was Brady getting benched or traded away.
ESPN are running a huge story on the Pats. The author claims that there are serious issues between Brady and Belichick. It’s also been said that Belichick tried to keep Jimmy G and Brady used his power to get him traded. Apparently, Belichick was preparing for life after Brady and wanted Jimmy G to succeed him sooner than later.
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I wouldn’t dismiss the story completely - ESPN are running it too.
I think Bill wanted Jimmy G to be Brady’s replacement, maybe not this season but certainly soon enough. He’s never been afraid to make changes, although this would be by far the biggest decision he’s taken. Both have big egos and it wouldn’t surprise me if they have a bitter end (similar to Keane & SAF)
Also the stuff with Brady’s trainer being banned midway through the season seemed strange/random. So whilst it might not be the end yet, I think there is some truth in the story.
I think Bill wanted Jimmy G to be Brady’s replacement, maybe not this season but certainly soon enough. He’s never been afraid to make changes, although this would be by far the biggest decision he’s taken. Both have big egos and it wouldn’t surprise me if they have a bitter end (similar to Keane & SAF)
Also the stuff with Brady’s trainer being banned midway through the season seemed strange/random. So whilst it might not be the end yet, I think there is some truth in the story.
I disagree. Bill B hasn’t exactly got long left in his career based on age... it seems improbable that he would be so worried about the longer term than the now.
Also, he isn’t exactly keeping a QB who is past his prime and using his authority to play even though he doesn’t deserve it. Brady is still an elite quarterback. If Brady was playing like Manning then I might believe it.
I do agree though Jimmy G was to be the next man, but Brady’s longevity has surprised most and so in reality most would have expected it to end about now and him to be in decline. I just don’t think Bill B would be so upset about losing Jimmy G who, let’s be honest, is still not proven fully. It’s illogical.
I’m sure they’ve had disagreements And elements of the article are sure to be true, but that ESPN article makes it sound like the team is in turmoil. There is a middle ground and that is I highly doubt this is the last season of Kraft Brady and Bellichik being together. That’s a bold claim.
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I completely disagree. BB watched JG in practice for years now. He's seen him play. He knows perfectly well what he's capable of. If what we're seeing in Frisco is even remotely indicative of JG's actual ability, I'm almost certain BB would have done everything to keep him. Looking back at BB's career and the way he handled his players, their decline and ageing, I'm quite sure that he's pretty realistic about Brady and knows perfectly well that Brady most likely won't play well into his 40's. At least not nearly on the same level. We're actually starting to see the decline of Brady. This season, for his massive standards, was quite a drop in my opinion and I would think BB saw the same.
Considering replacing a QB above the age of 40 with a seemingly highly touted and extremely talented prospect is not in the slightest illogical. It's as logical as it gets and would be a typical, even though huge, move by BB. I'm still surprised they Traded Jimmy G. Never understood it. Especially with all the hype. When they pulled the trigger, I just assumed the little exposure of JG was simply not seen as indicative of his actual strength and BB wanted to get as much draft capital as possible.
Apparently, that was a wrong assessment. I very much lean to believe the article. Maybe not every detail of it, but the general and overlaying topic at hand is one that I find to be very believable.
It's actually normal. Transitioning from a legend like Brady to other guys almost never works smoothly.
You’ve taken snippets from my post and responded in isolation.
I quite explicitly said that I’m certain they have disagreements between them all the time. The stuff about Guerrero, the insecurity re: Jimmy G.... But, what I disagree with is the extent of the issues. I find it hard to believe that the team is in crisis mode and that Bill B and Tom B have an untenable relationship. And the whole premise of the story is on Bellichik folding under the pressure to not get his way. Does he seem like the type of man who would accept that?
Also, I can twist the same situation also to a plausible scenario. Brady is likely to be the MVP. Did he have his best year? No. But how do you know it’s decline. An aged player has a bad year an next thing you know it’s permanent decline. Why isn’t it possibly a bad year? And trading Jimmy G, it could logically just have been that he wasn’t signing so might just get something for him rather than nothing no?
Like I said, I believe the underlying issues are there - not necessarily everything in the article, but certainly some. But I don’t buy that the issues are to the extent the article makes out. Nor that the issues are significantly worse than other issues i am sure they’ve had in the last two decades.
And that’s exactly where I disagree. I think there are huge issues and rifts in the organization and I believe this could be a turning point for them.
Ok. Worth noting there are plenty more articles about with a more balanced view.
But your opinion, could be wrong. As could I. Only time will tell!
Obviously. I’m still irritated about the trade and if the Pats shouldn’t get so lucky to find another franchise QB soon, this one will come back to seriously bite them. They had a chance to have a transition like Montana to Young or Favre to Rodgers and screwed it up.
And regarding a decline of Brady, I’m convinced it’s happening right now. We’re seeing it. It’ll just take a while for people to realize.
I think it's all true, and when Brady throws a pick 6 at the death to lose the AFC Championship game to the Steelers Bill is going to run on the field and beat the crap out of him.
Brady retires in disgust, BB is banned from the NFL for life and the Patriots become the new Browns, never seeing a winning season again.
Brady retires in disgust, BB is banned from the NFL for life and the Patriots become the new Browns, never seeing a winning season again.
But alas you’re missing a key part of the story ...
Your infamous return to Mile High, jynxing another Broncos season to doom
But yea, my spidey senses say your story has a 97.6% chance of happening.
On a serious note though, I can’t see it any other way than an amicable parting at least in public. There will never be a Keane SAF meltdown, i am quite certain of that.
I’m also certain we will become crap once they’re gone and it’ll take a while to get over. I’m a realist - look what happened after SAF - this will be so much worse as we would be losing a player in the most important position too. I can’t see it being any other way than both at a similar time either to be honest. Unless BB wants to stay after Brady just so he can say “I did it without him”. Entirely plausible. And understandable.
Who knows what will happen. I’m convinced though that this article is exaggerating.
People believe this crap?
The 2 closest beat writers to the Pats - in terms of those who interact with players - Reiss and Kyed have both laughed off the story in its entirety.
The 2 closest beat writers to the Pats - in terms of those who interact with players - Reiss and Kyed have both laughed off the story in its entirety.
He stopped watching porn because of this. Why? This was more than sufficient for his fantasies
But alas you’re missing a key part of the story ...
Your infamous return to Mile High, jynxing another Broncos season to doom
Part of me feels mean for making this a thing.
But then I remember how much I hate John Elway and his really weird racist smile.
We can dream.
Again speculation.
Tom Brady is not at the peak of his powers. But decline, I associate that with a big drop off in performance and I don’t think we have that yet.
One of the things I love about the emergence of Jimmy G is how it has changed the view of Brady from a 40 year old QB still playing at an elite level who just won a Super Bowl with a legendary performance to some aging decrepit QB unable to make the plays and is injured all the time.
He's only thrown for over 4k yards with an average of 1.6 healthy wideouts a game this year.
He's obviously terrible.
I read the comment in the article as saying that they felt as though it would have an increasingly noticeable effect - certainly one that would affect Brady's chances of playing into's his forties as he stated he believes he is capable of doing.
That's not at all what they were saying.
One of the things I love about the emergence of Jimmy G is how it has changed the view of Brady from a 40 year old QB still playing at an elite level who just won a Super Bowl with a legendary performance to some aging decrepit QB unable to make the plays and is injured all the time.
I have yet to come across someone who actually says something like this. At least to this extreme. A decline is definitely there in my opinion. It actually started last season. It’s slow, he’s still on an incredibly high level, but there were a few signs of age last season and some more this season. His arm looks a little weaker to me. Sometimes he overcompensates for this and puts too much power in simple throws. He seems a little slower overall.
He’s not Blake Bortles. Nobody’s saying that. But he lost something in my eyes. Considering his age, it’s natural.
Also, I don’t get why people treat it as such an absurd notion that he might decline due to age. I finde it much harder to believe that he suddenly becomes the first player to successfully defy the rules of the game by simply keeping on playing elite. Brady is human. A decline is to be expected. It’s natural.
How the heck do I embed that tweet rather than a link?
Anyway nothing surprising. Joint statement to deny it. Robust though.
Anyway nothing surprising. Joint statement to deny it. Robust though.
Did they offer Jimmy G a new contract before trading him? He was eligible for free agency at the end of the season.
Brady definitely has declined a bit this season, the numbers may or may not show it but everytime I watch him play I feel that he is making mistakes. If Brown gets fit I actually fancy the Steelers this time
He’s also this season’s MVP lol, defo still got 8+ years in the tank idcOne of the things I love about the emergence of Jimmy G is how it has changed the view of Brady from a 40 year old QB still playing at an elite level who just won a Super Bowl with a legendary performance to some aging decrepit QB unable to make the plays and is injured all the time.
I am not saying a decline is not coming with age but the idea that started this whole conversation that Brady should be pushed aside (and Belichek supposedly was pushing that) for Jimmy G given the year he just came off of last season is absurd. Especially when you look at the moves the Pats made this past offseason they were definitely not pointing to pushing Brady out and gunning for the future.
Don't know about 8, but they definitely were not pushing Brady to the curb just yet.
This Brady story is so dumb, I'm not his biggest fan but he'd clearly still very very good.
Its all about the future. Brady might be gone in two years. Dont think Bellichick will retire in 2 years. He wants to secure the future of the franchise and Jimmy G was good enough to take over from Brady.
The feck are the Raiders thinking offering a 10 year contract worth $100m to Gruden?
In the end no one really is at fault here , Belichik has built a stellar career out of being emotionless and only caring about the team but not everyone can be like that . Kraft is probably like a fan and for him it is impossible to side against Brady . Meanwhile Jimmy G contract situation meant that a decision had to be made this year and so it came down to this . Think everyone will sort out their differences and BB will draft another QB this year
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