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Changing subject but what are the odds of Jimmy G and a possible return to the Pats when the GOAT retires? Osi said on Saturday NFL him and Bradyshare the same agent, Pats did him a favour where they sent Jimmy etc. Is it like in football where you might sell someone but you have first rights to buy them back or have the Pats shot themselves in the foot by letting him go?

Any NFL gurus in here with anything on this State side? As a Pats fan it's a nervous time with Brady being 40+ and would hate to see us (Pats) going like we (United) did when Fergie / Scholes etc retired.
 
We need an rvn said:
Changing subject but what are the odds of Jimmy G and a possible return to the Pats when the GOAT retires? Osi said on Saturday NFL him and Bradyshare the same agent, Pats did him a favour where they sent Jimmy etc. Is it like in football where you might sell someone but you have first rights to buy them back or have the Pats shot themselves in the foot by letting him go?

Any NFL gurus in here with anything on this State side? As a Pats fan it's a nervous time with Brady being 40+ and would hate to see us (Pats) going like we (United) did when Fergie / Scholes etc retired.
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There won't be a buyback option and 49ers won't be looking to trade him. Only option is that he does not sign a new deal with 49ers and signs as a free agent back with Pats at some point in the future.

I believe his contract with the Pats was up at the end of this season so unless they were going to dump Brady they had little chance of keeping Jimmy G.
 
JustAFan said:
There won't be a buyback option and 49ers won't be looking to trade him. Only option is that he does not sign a new deal with 49ers and signs as a free agent back with Pats at some point in the future.

I believe his contract with the Pats was up at the end of this season so unless they were going to dump Brady they had little chance of keeping Jimmy G.
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Didn't he only with a short term deal with the 49ers? So they're gonna need to pay him big now.
 
JustAFan said:
There won't be a buyback option and 49ers won't be looking to trade him. Only option is that he does not sign a new deal with 49ers and signs as a free agent back with Pats at some point in the future.

I believe his contract with the Pats was up at the end of this season so unless they were going to dump Brady they had little chance of keeping Jimmy G.
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In that case isn't it bad forward thinking if you let a top talent like Jimmy leave for a 40 year old whose days are surely numbered. This is of course assuming the Pats knew what they had in Jimmy given they had him on the books for 4 years. Unless of course they have someone else in the locker they rate even higher.

Right now it's just looking like a really poor decision to let the guy leave when Tom is playing beyond his twilight years. Just looks, and granted from a very limited view here in the UK, like the Bledsoe / Brady all over again except this time the Pats stuck with Bledsoe and let Brady leave.
 
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In that case isn't it bad forward thinking if you let a top talent like Jimmy leave for a 40 year old whose days are surely numbered. This is of course assuming the Pats knew what they had in Jimmy given they had him on the books for 4 years. Unless of course they have someone else in the locker they rate even higher.

Right now it's just looking like a really poor decision to let the guy leave when Tom is playing beyond his twilight years. Just looks, and granted from a very limited view here in the UK, like the Bledsoe / Brady all over again except this time the Pats stuck with Bledsoe and let Brady leave.
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Again I believe his contract was up at the end of the season, not sure how it works where you are from but in the US you can not actually FORCE someone to sign a new contract. Basically unless they were willing to part with Brady NOW, there was no way Jimmy G was staying. The comparison to Bledsoe situation is way off since Bledsoe never even makes the discussion of best QB's of his time let alone best of all time. I mean honestly did you really just compare Brady to Bledsoe, :lol:. Also, they traded Bledsoe AFTER Brady had cemented himself as the teams starting QB (having won a Super Bowl and all).

Obviously the thought is Brady still has a few more seasons left in him at a high level. Jimmy G is off to a hot start with the 49ers but let's wait a bit until we put him at Brady level.

Bottom line is they keep the perhaps GOAT QB playing for them and get a 2nd round draft pick for a player who was going to walk away for nothing at the end of the season. Not really an awful move by the Pats.
 
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Again I believe his contract was up at the end of the season, not sure how it works where you are from but in the US you can not actually FORCE someone to sign a new contract. Basically unless they were willing to part with Brady NOW, there was no way Jimmy G was staying. The comparison to Bledsoe situation is way off since Bledsoe never even makes the discussion of best QB's of his time let alone best of all time. I mean honestly did you really just compare Brady to Bledsoe, :lol:. Also, they traded Bledsoe AFTER Brady had cemented himself as the teams starting QB (having won a Super Bowl and all).

Obviously the thought is Brady still has a few more seasons left in him at a high level. Jimmy G is off to a hot start with the 49ers but let's wait a bit until we put him at Brady level.

Bottom line is they keep the perhaps GOAT QB playing for them and get a 2nd round draft pick for a player who was going to walk away for nothing at the end of the season. Not really an awful move by the Pats.
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Of course I didn't compare Brady to Bledsoe mate but the point was it was a turning point in QB, just as the Pats are going to go through very soon. There's just a year or two difference between a 38 year old Brady and a 42 year old Brady and if Jimmy G had 2 extra years on his contract the Pats might have made a different decision.

But thanks for the input re other side of the atlantic.

Ps. no difference between here and the US when a player is free they're free from contract, but it just seemed a bit strange to let someone go that willingly that's all
 
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Didn't he only with a short term deal with the 49ers? So they're gonna need to pay him big now.
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Yeah I believe his contract is up, they can franchise him for a year I think (with the salary cap you would never franchise a back up so the Pats did not really have this option).
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Of course I didn't compare Brady to Bledsoe mate but the point was it was a turning point in QB, just as the Pats are going to go through very soon. There's just a year or two difference between a 38 year old Brady and a 42 year old Brady and if Jimmy G had 2 extra years on his contract the Pats might have made a different decision.

But thanks for the input re other side of the atlantic.

Ps. no difference between here and the US when a player is free they're free from contract, but it just seemed a bit strange to let someone go that willingly that's all
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Well they probably tried to resign him but he wanted to go and start NOW. There really was nothing they could do to keep him, it was either trade hi now or let him go for free. No way they were going to bench Brady, not coming off last seasons Super Bowl win and he has played fantastically for them and will not be pushed out as long as he keeps performing like this. Put another way the job is his to lose and he won't lose it until it is proven he can't perform at the top level anymore.
 
JustAFan said:
Yeah I believe his contract is up, they can franchise him for a year I think (with the salary cap you would never franchise a back up so the Pats did not really have this option).
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The QB franchise tag is about $35m :lol:
 
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Yeah it is why they will try to sign him to something more reasonable. He's off to a great start let's see if he can keep it going or not.
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I wouldn’t. I would tag him for 35m. Because despite an excellent start there still isn’t that much evidence to judge him. 35m is a cost worth paying to protect yourselves from the Texansesque position with Osweiler IF things go wrong.
 
Rado_N said:
Didn't he only with a short term deal with the 49ers? So they're gonna need to pay him big now.
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Didn’t sign a short term deal - I think the way it works unless I’m mistaken is when you trade a player you trade them on the basis of the current contract unless they sign a new contract akin to if the player had stayed and signed a new contract.

As far as I’m aware Jimmy G didn’t sign a new deal and therefore in the same way he would be a FA at the end of the season if he was with the Pats it’s the same with the 49ers. Therefore Jimmy G will either get tagged (given time frame and less long term risk, I would say this is the likely path) or sign him to a long term deal.
 
He'll be given a long term deal. There's a whole new regime in San Fran and they won't feck around with tying down a franchise QB, especially with an offense focused HC.
 
rpitroda said:
I wouldn’t. I would tag him for 35m. Because despite an excellent start there still isn’t that much evidence to judge him. 35m is a cost worth paying to protect yourselves from the Texansesque position with Osweiler IF things go wrong.
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Jimmy G has already displayed far more ability and potential than Osweiler ever did. That contract was pure idiocy from Houston management (granted, Elway and crew dodged the bullet thanks to Houston - the Broncos were offering around 15m per year).
 
MrMarcello said:
Jimmy G has already displayed far more ability and potential than Osweiler ever did. That contract was pure idiocy from Houston management (granted, Elway and crew dodged the bullet thanks to Houston - the Broncos were offering around 15m per year).
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Don’t deny that.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
He'll be given a long term deal. There's a whole new regime in San Fran and they won't feck around with tying down a franchise QB, especially with an offense focused HC.
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He'll get around 100m over 4 years (note), with about half in guaranteed money. Should he flourish they'll rework his deal in year three. If he flops they're only on the hook short term.

(note) the dollars and years being mentioned on a few NFL shows, most notably (if memory serves) was Schefter mentioning it.
 
MrMarcello said:
He'll get around 100m over 4 years (note), with about half in guaranteed money. Should he flourish they'll rework his deal in year three. If he flops they're only on the hook short term.

(note) the dollars and years being mentioned on a few NFL shows, most notably (if memory serves) was Schefter mentioning it.
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Sounds about right, cap friendly enough but also fair enough value for him I think. Though if he ends up a 5 game flash in the pan, it's a cap hit
 
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Sounds about right, cap friendly enough but also fair enough value for him I think. Though if he ends up a 5 game flash in the pan, it's a cap hit
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Such is the risk with QBs these days. They only have to show something for a half, or a couple games, whatever and BOOM - big money thrown at them.
 
@Eboue are you one of the rascals currently trying to steal Shurmur?:mad:
 
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Broncos have so far fired:

Offensive line coach
Special teams coordinator
Wide receivers coach
Running backs & assistant head coach
Outside linebackers coach (@Carolina Red get in there)
Assistant defensive backs coach
 
Rado_N said:
Broncos have so far fired:

Offensive line coach
Special teams coordinator
Wide receivers coach
Running backs & assistant head coach
Outside linebackers coach (@Carolina Red get in there)
Assistant defensive backs coach
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They should fire the guy who brought Brock back and was responsible for the QB mess all season ;)
 
Rado_N said:
Broncos have so far fired:

Offensive line coach
Special teams coordinator
Wide receivers coach
Running backs & assistant head coach
Outside linebackers coach (@Carolina Red get in there)
Assistant defensive backs coach
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They are keeping the one guy they should have fired which is the HC.
 
ha_rooney said:
They should fire the guy who brought Brock back and was responsible for the QB mess all season ;)
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If next season goes as I expect it will with Joseph inexplicably keeping his job going into 2018 then Elway needs to shoulder that responsibility. Making a mistake is one thing but Elway seems to love sticking with his mistakes which you can't do.
 
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