NFL 2016/17

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Without a shadow in my mind it should be Zeke. He is likely to beat the all time rookie rushing record or is at least on course to. Yes he has a great O line but having watched all the games he truly does create yards for himself and his blocking is phenomenal. Also you could say that about all MVPs generally; that they have a strong supporting cast.

Prescott has also been good but Zeke for me.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Dak hasn't looked dominant outside of a few quarters. Nowhere close to Brady, Ryan, and the way Wilson is playing now. Zeke is clearly their most valuable single player, since you can't count the whole OL for MVP.

But the way these things go, they'll give him rookie + offensive PotY, and give MVP to a QB.
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Wouldn't be an injustice if he got all 3 though. I recon Zeke will get MVP, Dak will get ROTY and OPOTY.
 
Naturally though there's still 6 games left and on top of that, post season performances always have a huge impact on these things even if they shouldn't.
 
As for Brady he's been brilliant but those 4 games probably will and probably should cost him the MVP unless he goes even more blitz in the last 6 and Zeke and Dak drop off.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Why is Wilson rated over Rodgers? With a mediocre O-Line, injured receivers and no running game at all, his performance has been quite good imo (that blip game apart)
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QB's are graded in the present on wins, fairly or not.

Rodgers is quite clearly 'rated' ahead of Wilson, as are a few other QB's.
 
Offensive player of the year is the most useless category ever, that should just go to the MVP.
 
Can someone explain to me how Dak Prescott, a first year player who was a pick 135 in the draft, can be in contention for MVP.

Am I missing something here?
 
But you just know Wilson is going to be strong for pretty much the rest of the regular season.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Why is Wilson rated over Rodgers? With a mediocre O-Line, injured receivers and no running game at all, his performance has been quite good imo (that blip game apart)
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You're describing Seattle too mate, mediocre is too complimentary though.

I don't care either way, 2 of the best.
 
Phil said:
What is the actual point of the two minute warning? More ads?
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Yes, created in the 60s strictly for network advertising. The actual moniker had existed prior but was strictly for on-field officials and players to keep track of the remaining time, i.e. a warning as the game was nearing the end (stadium clocks were unofficial time keeps).
 
Feck off officials, the one time Hopkins breaks free he's denied a perfectly fine TD.
 
Jesus, the first spot looked awful, now the next play, 4th down, its a midgies Traveller away and now we have a challenge.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Can someone explain to me how Dak Prescott, a first year player who was a pick 135 in the draft, can be in contention for MVP.

Am I missing something here?
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cesc's_mullet said:
How was the GOAT pick 199 in the draft? Boggles the mind
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MVP essentially is the person who is most valuable from a performance perspective - I.e essentially the player of the year. Like the Ballon D'Or.
 
rpitroda said:
MVP essentially is the person who is most valuable from a performance perspective - I.e essentially the player of the year. Like the Ballon D'Or.
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Yeah I understand what the MVP is, but what I'm asking is how did these obviously talented players slip so late into the draft.

Especially with Brady - did anyone ever expect him to be a star, let alone possibly the GOAT?

And with Dak, how did he slip so late into the draft? Were there big doubts over him?
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Yeah I understand what the MVP is, but what I'm asking is how did these obviously talented players slip so late into the draft.

Especially with Brady - did anyone ever expect him to be a star, let alone possibly the GOAT?

And with Dak, how did he slip so late into the draft? Were there big doubts over him?
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It's not a science right? Just like in football an incredibly talented player who everyone is raving about might completely flop. And rarely people who no one see coming become superstars.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Yeah I understand what the MVP is, but what I'm asking is how did these obviously talented players slip so late into the draft.

Especially with Brady - did anyone ever expect him to be a star, let alone possibly the GOAT?

And with Dak, how did he slip so late into the draft? Were there big doubts over him?
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Quarterback is probably one of the most difficult positions to scout in all of team sports. It's like projecting how a young center forward or CB will turn out. For every Messi there's dozens of Ravel Morrisons and Danny Welbecks.
 
rpitroda said:
Generally you can do a pretty good job and scouting running backs, to be honest.
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I think i read somewhere that RB is difficult to scout because they run into the defense like they do, and the defense in pro football is probably the biggest difference between pro and college?
 
JarleA said:
I think i read somewhere that RB is difficult to scout because they run into the defense like they do, and the defense in pro football is probably the biggest difference between pro and college?
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No doubt there is a big difference in pro and college football defences. But same can then be said about scouting a WR, OL, TE, or QB surely?

Taking this year as an example, and even last year - everyone knew Elliot would be a star. Everyone knew Gurley would be a star (which he was and still is, except currently in the worst offence in the league). Yet, when you think about Goff, Wentz, Prescott, and last year Mariota, Winston... you simply didn't know if they would or wouldn't succeed.

I wouldn't say RB is any easier or harder to scout than any of the other positions to be honest, but QB is definitely much harder is the point im making.

Sorry for the mass of waffle :lol:
 
I'm not sure I agree completely with the other positions tbh. A WR can "avoid" the defense by not running directly into it, instead they run away from it. I see your point, but surely RB is the offensive position (along with the QB) that feel the difference the most? At least early in their careers? I'm not arguing against QB being the toughest to scout, but RB has to be right up there as well. I guess scouting in general is quite hard ..
 
JarleA said:
I'm not sure I agree completely with the other positions tbh. A WR can "avoid" the defense by not running directly into it, instead they run away from it. I see your point, but surely RB is the offensive position (along with the QB) that feel the difference the most? At least early in their careers? I'm not arguing against QB being the toughest to scout, but RB has to be right up there as well. I guess scouting in general is quite hard ..
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Indeed am sure it is. But do disagree with your point about WRs. Someone like Cooper probably could do a quick shake move and be wide open in college. He was probably faster taller and stronger than most of his corner backs. He probably caught quite a few uncontested catches. Then he comes into the NFL where corners are more physical. Faster. Aggressive. Safeties are more intelligent and are lurking.

Also think we are getting caught up in two different things. I generally agree to step up from college for a RB is bigger than for a WR. But that doesn't inherently correlate to difficulty in scouting. Which I think is generally proven by how often scouts do get it right on RBs. If there is a difference between RB and WR scouting difficulty I would argue it is negligible.
 
I guess we agree in a way then :lol:

One question about RBs though. They are rarely drafted very high (in the last couple of years) with a few notable exceptions. Why is that? Because the talent pool is limited, because the league has become increasingly pass heavy, or because it's to risky?
 
Risk is a big part of that... The lifespan of a RB is so short on average in the NFL. The style of play in the NFL is also a factor, as people are building around passing options. But the talent pool is actually the opposite... It's a massive talent pool, so they don't need to draft RBs so high.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Can someone explain to me how Dak Prescott, a first year player who was a pick 135 in the draft, can be in contention for MVP.

Am I missing something here?
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He has an incredible O line protecting him, and has a really talented Running back keeping defenders honest, which helps a lot.

Thats not to take anything away from his ability, but he basically walked into an unbelivable situation for a rookie.
 
A lot of it is down to the rest of the team though, I am not sure Dak would have done more than Wentz has done if Eagles had picked him. Dak has obviously done well but he is playing in a very good offence which makes him look a lot better than what is probably his actual level.
 
So Romo apparently fancies a move to Denver for next year...

Not sure what to make of that to be honest.
 
At least you'll have a qb who's elite for three games, healthy for another seven, and injured for the rest.
 
Rado_N said:
So Romo apparently fancies a move to Denver for next year...

Not sure what to make of that to be honest.
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A good short term move i would think, provided you dont gove up too much in the trade. Also assuming he can stay healthy which isnt a given..
 
Didn't the Cardinals draft David Johnson because another team went with their #1 priority right before they had to pick? I'm pretty sure but can't remember who they targeted in the first place. Their GM was already raving about his receiving skills back then, and he wasn't wrong.
 
Rado_N said:
So Romo apparently fancies a move to Denver for next year...

Not sure what to make of that to be honest.
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Win win for both sides tbh, your team is ready for a big season but I am not sure Siemian is good enough to take you to the SB so it is a gamble worth taking.
 
Apparently the Texans got absolutely fecked by the refs last night. NFL refereeing is bad.
 
There is the documentary on Brady's QB draft class which talks about how he was terrible at the combine and the fact that his College had two good QB's who the coach rotated (one half to each) were major factors for Brady being overlooked
 
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