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That's such a lame excuse tbf. There are far more constructive ways to go about it.

Not that I'm patriotic or anything, it's just a matter of principle not to insult your country...unless you are giving up citizenship. No country is perfect and there are always people who feel they are not getting a fair shake (genuine and otherwise). If gay rights or equality for women supporters or gun control (and vice versa) decide to sit out the anthem, where does it end? It's stupid to paint a country with the brush that applies only to select people.

He doesn't need an excuse?

He has every right to not stand for the National Anthem and has every right to insult a country who's police force, lets not forget is seemingly killing Black Americans with impunity.

He could have made is point differently, but like I've said before. He's got everyone talking about it and that in itself is a big thing. Without discussion nothing will change so I think he's made his point perfectly and since not standing he's articulated his views and beliefs in the press perfectly for me.

Well done Kap.
 
He doesn't need an excuse?

He has every right to not stand for the National Anthem and has every right to insult a country who's police force, lets not forget is seemingly killing Black Americans with impunity.

He could have made is point differently, but like I've said before. He's got everyone talking about it and that in itself is a big thing. Without discussion nothing will change so I think he's made his point perfectly and since not standing he's articulated his views and beliefs in the press perfectly for me.

Well done Kap.
Agree 100%
 
He doesn't need an excuse?

He has every right to not stand for the National Anthem and has every right to insult a country who's police force, lets not forget is seemingly killing Black Americans with impunity.

Its a dick move, rights or not. Don't try to make it a civil liberties thing. I didn't call for him to be arrested or something. Being within your right doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do.

And making people talk is another lame excuse. It's a topic that has been in the headline more often than not...far more so in recent times..Not like it was actively being ignored before Kaep. If he was really interested, quit and join BLM, or donate your hefty salary to them. Oh, yeah...I'll insult the country and claim it's for betterment of the country? Seriously?

Is he within his rights, yes. Is that legal, yes. Is that being an asshole, HELL YEAH!
 
Its a dick move, rights or not. Don't try to make it a civil liberties thing. I didn't call for him to be arrested or something. Being within your right doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do.

And making people talk is another lame excuse. It's a topic that has been in the headline more often than not...far more so in recent times..Not like it was actively being ignored before Kaep. If he was really interested, quit and join BLM, or donate your hefty salary to them. Oh, yeah...I'll insult the country and claim it's for betterment of the country? Seriously?

Is he within his rights, yes. Is that legal, yes. Is that being an asshole, HELL YEAH!

I agree with some of your sentiment but it's a bit far. Just because you disagree with his methods doesn't make him an asshole.

And he is donating money.

I'd go as far as saying I don't agree with what he did and there are better ways but fair play to him for trying something however misguided.
 
Again. They're not excuses.

I still find it weird that some Americans are still upset with him not standing for a song, even after he's come out and explained his intentions and reasonings.

I mean, I don't think that makes him at asshole at all. Especially when its such an important subject matter.
 
As a non-American who had to stand and pledge allegiance to your flag for 1.5 years in elementary school, I agree.
 
Unsolicited advice: Don't buy that Trevor Siemian shirt

There's an old saying, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." It's a pretty solid saying, one that I endorse, because it's almost always good advice to follow.

So as a person who receives a check signed by Roger Goodell, I'd prefer not to get in hot water by telling you to go out of your way to avoid NFL-approved merchandise available for purchase at the league's official website.

But yeah, don't buy this Trevor Siemian shirt.




There are some curves that are good to get ahead of. The real estate market. Apple stock. Independent music. But Trevor Siemian merch? Not necessary.

Don't buy this Trevor Siemian shirt.



I don't want to tell you what to do. You're a big boy (or girl). Or maybe you're not. Maybe you're an Internet-savvy youngster who was about to complete your Siemian merch order with your mom's credit card and this article popped up on your Twitter timeline. That's good. It gives you time to reconsider. And here's my advice:

Don't buy this Trevor Siemian shirt.



I get it. You love the Broncos. You trust the vision of Gary Kubiak and John Elway. This unshakable faith makes Trevor Siemian a can't-miss prospect. Only, he's not. There's a pretty decent chance he's back on the bench by Week 4 and you're stuck with a $30 dust rag (I'm factoring in shipping and handling). Wouldn't that suck?

And you might ask, "But what if Siemian thrives?" That's great! Congrats! The Broncos solved their quarterback problem and your favorite team is primed for another deep playoff run. But let's give it literally three weeks before making a financial investment in the Denver Broncos quarterback situation.

Until then ... well, you know.


:lol: I love nfl.com articles sometimes
 
3 points about the Kaep situation.

1. He sat down while music was playing. It was an action so passive that it wasn't noticed the first game. A reporter noticed it the next game and asked him why he didn't stand.

Saying "he could have done it in a better way" is nonsensical as applied to Colin's actions. There is no spectrum here. There are 2 options. Stand up, or sit down. Standing up for the anthem is not a passive, neutral act. It indicates that you do resonate with the message and patriotism and all that (or you'd rather sit down, but you don't want to stand out, so you stand up, and think feverishly about why Rooney is still starting while the song is blasting. That's just me).

Colin feels so strongly about what is going on in America that standing up for the anthem is counter to his convictions and conscience. So he sits. Saying "he could have done it in a better way" without supplying an alternative course of action indicates that the problem is with the fact that Colin doesn't see America as great as others see it. And in typical people fashion, instead of investigating why there is a dissonance, the messenger is shot.

2. I find the faux-respect for the flag and military very annoying. Kap is being demonized by a demographic that

- Treated Vietnam War Vets with the utmost disrespect and disregard when they came back home
- Supported the war in Iraq, sending kids into harms way
- Does the rah-rah for the troops, but neglect the ongoing issues vets face today like PTSD, abject care from the Vets Department, unemployment, etc...

Colin has, again and again, expressed support for military personnel who have fought wars past and present. His beef isn't with them. And many of them get that. Faux-support for the troops is classic deflection from what his message truly is.

3. Didn't we praise Muhammed Ali who just passed away, for "not doing it in a better way"? This is what he said about the Vietnam War draft.

My conscience won't let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America. And shoot them for what? They never called me nigger, they never lynched me, they didn't put no dogs on me, they didn't rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. ... Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people? Just take me to jail.

Now I didn't think Kaepernick would be on a roster this year, and Ali is one of the best boxers ever, so there's little in common on the sporting talent spectrum. But is ironic to the point of agony, how people who praised Ali after he passed, are turning around and giving Kaepernick the same flack their dads and uncles gave Ali all those years ago. I bet you there were some smart alecks back then who said, "yeah he's probably right, but if he could convey the message in a better way, that didn't offend the majority unaffected by the issues Ali is facing..."

Oh well. I'm sure everyone will send flowers and tributes and forum posts to Kaepernick after he passes away in 50 years, assuming he doesn't get shot reaching for his wallet in the meantime.
 
Saying "he could have done it in a better way" is nonsensical as applied to Colin's actions. There is no spectrum here. There are 2 options. Stand up, or sit down.

Or kneel, like he did last night :p

I kind of want a Trevor Siemian shirt now.

Whoever the feck that is?

Broncos starting QB! For now...

Lynch will be starting games by November I reckon.
 
Now I didn't think Kaepernick would be on a roster this year.

I imagine Kaepernick will go the same way as Abdul-Rauf, people can say well it's a safe position to take with $11m guaranteed but I have no doubts that Kaepernick will get blackballed by many NFL teams as a result of this (peep the comments from Execs) and I have the utmost respect for him putting his long-term career at risk.
 
I imagine Kaepernick will go the same way as Abdul-Rauf, people can say well it's a safe position to take with $11m guaranteed but I have no doubts that Kaepernick will get blackballed by many NFL teams as a result of this (peep the comments from Execs) and I have the utmost respect for him putting his long-term career at risk.
That NBA player who was like 95% from the free-throw line?
 
It's always nonsense when the the antics themselves cause more news than the cause he's trying to support. If he's that ashamed of living in that country, feel free to leave.

And that's not his fault, he doesn't control the news cycle or the 100 rubbish hot takes that people proffer. So much for land of the free huh?
 
Goff as a QB3, what are people thought about that?
 
It's fair but they paid a lot for a QB that can't even be a backup.
Ah I see what you mean, yea I said the same thing to a mate at work, after what they gave up to trade for the overall #1 pick they must be a bit disappointed.
 
Any of you NFL guys watching college football this weekend?

Georgia Tech vs Boston College in Dublin right now
It's the most interesting opening week I can recall. I'm guessing Houston wasn't all that threatening when we scheduled them on opening day. Then there's a few other big games after that 11am kickoff.
 
Don't suppose anyone knows if there will be a decent highlights show this year? Vernon Kay might not have many fans but the C4 highlights show was perfect for me and we really missed out last year.

EDIT: Nevermind, BBC2 again on Tuesday evenings. Here's to hoping they do a better job than they did last year.
 
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