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It's silly that I'm even asked questions like that. I liked Brady back when no one on here had ever heard of him and he looked like Lloyd Christmas.
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Fact is, he cheated and now he's getting punished. That's all there is to it
 
He wouldn't give two hoots if it wasn't the patriots, but he's enjoying his dip in the cosy warm waters of schadenfreude.

His claims are legitimate and backed by the report which he read to be fair, i just dont think people would talk about it if it happened to Cutler or Carr.
 
I wonder how this thread would have looked had it been Manning and the Broncos rather than Brady and the Pats.

Probably a small fine which would barely have been picked up by the press if it wasn't the Pats.

""I like to push the limits of how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do," quote from another superbowl winning QB.

"As a result of the failure of club staff to follow the directive of a game official to immediately surrender the towels when directed to do so, and to attempt to conceal the towels, the Chargers have been fined $20,000." quote from the NFL about Chargers punishment for using stickum towels.
 
Didn't realise this was a Patriots forum, you always expect to see Cowboys fans everywhere.
 
It's silly that I'm even asked questions like that. I liked Brady back when no one on here had ever heard of him and he looked like Lloyd Christmas.
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Fact is, he cheated and now he's getting punished. That's all there is to it

Oooh, @Eboue is a Brady fanboy. :D

You don't think that the sanction is unfair? Not the four games but the 1st round and 1m$.
 
His claims are legitimate and backed by the report which he read to be fair, i just dont think people would talk about it if it happened to Cutler or Carr.
Its like Rio's missed drug test in 2004 or 05? Even though he was guilty, as United fans, we backed him all the way and believed the punishment out-weighed the crime and was more severe because it was United
 
Its like Rio's missed drug test in 2004 or 05? Even though he was guilty, as United fans, we backed him all the way and believed the punishment out-weighed the crime and was more severe because it was United

What about when Dallas and Washington got crazy cap penalties for not colluding in that weird year? The idea that there is a conspiracy against New England is silly.
 
Its like Rio's missed drug test in 2004 or 05? Even though he was guilty, as United fans, we backed him all the way and believed the punishment out-weighed the crime and was more severe because it was United

I agree on the severity of the punishment bit, because they're the NE Patriots.
 
The league's image last season took a nose dive, surprised Goodell is still in charge - the NFL is a joke these days,too many criminals.
 
It's silly that I'm even asked questions like that. I liked Brady back when no one on here had ever heard of him and he looked like Lloyd Christmas.
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Fact is, he cheated and now he's getting punished. That's all there is to it

Are all your American/College sports teams in Detroit? are you one of those guys?
 
What I don't get is why Rice was punished so mildly? Yes, it's the justice system which punishes crimes but I don't agree that his behaviour didn't affect the integrity of the NHL. All the athletes have to be a role model for youth and society in gerenal, it's not their job but it's a logic consequence when you're a high profile sports athlete nevertheless. Michael Phelps was suspended for six months for his drug use, Slava Voynov from the LA Kings has been suspended for over 70 games because of his domestic violence charges, you name it. There are numerous examples of sportsmen getting suspended because of actions outside the game itself and I don't get why each league should have its own individual procedure for sentencing it.

On deflategate: the NFL punishing system is so fecking inconsistent it's a joke and Goodell is a complete fool. I find it funny because it's the Patriots and Brady though.
 
What I don't get is why Rice was punished so mildly? Yes, it's the justice system which punishes crimes but I don't agree that his behaviour didn't affect the integrity of the NHL. All the athletes have to be a role model for youth and society in gerenal, it's not their job but it's a logic consequence when you're a high profile sports athlete nevertheless. Michael Phelps was suspended for six months for his drug use, Slava Voynov from the LA Kings has been suspended for over 70 games because of his domestic violence charges, you name it. There are numerous examples of sportsmen getting suspended because of actions outside the game itself and I don't get why each league should have its own individual procedure for sentencing it.

On deflategate: the NFL punishing system is so fecking inconsistent it's a joke and Goodell is a complete fool. I find it funny because it's the Patriots and Brady though.
I agree. If Rice only got two games because he did not directly affect the integrity of the game, then why was Adrian Peterson suspended indefinitely for smacking his kid in the ass. That's what most people are confused or angry about.
 
What I don't get is why Rice was punished so mildly? Yes, it's the justice system which punishes crimes but I don't agree that his behaviour didn't affect the integrity of the NHL. All the athletes have to be a role model for youth and society in gerenal, it's not their job but it's a logic consequence when you're a high profile sports athlete nevertheless. Michael Phelps was suspended for six months for his drug use, Slava Voynov from the LA Kings has been suspended for over 70 games because of his domestic violence charges, you name it. There are numerous examples of sportsmen getting suspended because of actions outside the game itself and I don't get why each league should have its own individual procedure for sentencing it.

I'm not comfortable with private employers punishing employees for what they do in a non-employee capacity. Should my employer be able to fire me if I drink too much at the weekend? What if I have a gambling problem? It's worrying to me that so many people are eager for the nfl to punish rice.
 
I agree. If Rice only got two games because he did not directly affect the integrity of the game, then why was Adrian Peterson suspended indefinitely for smacking his kid in the ass. That's what most people are confused or angry about.

Peterson's punishment was not allowed by the CBA and Peterson was vindicated by the legal system (to the extent that the punishment was unfair).
 
I'm not comfortable with private employers punishing employees for what they do in a non-employee capacity. Should my employer be able to fire me if I drink too much at the weekend? What if I have a gambling problem? It's worrying to me that so many people are eager for the nfl to punish rice.
You can't possibly compare such things to what Rice did because of how much attention it got in the media and how it affected the image of the NHL. Further on, I think your employer should be able to fire you if your drinking/gambling problems affect your work, and also if it gets so much public attention it affects the name of the company, yes.
 
Peterson's punishment was not allowed by the CBA and Peterson was vindicated by the legal system (to the extent that the punishment was unfair).
But it still took an awfully long time before he was removed from Goodell's exempt list, proving once again that the punishment system is bonkers.
 
Yes, if you agree as part of your working contract not to drink at weekends. As far as I'm aware NFL players sign contracts based on behaviour outside of the confines of the game.

Technically yes. But it worries me that people are so eager to give employers the power to control the lawful activities of employees during working hours.
 
You can't possibly compare such things to what Rice did because of how much attention it got in the media and how it affected the image of the NHL. Further on, I think your employer should be able to fire you if your drinking/gambling problems affect your work, and also if it gets so much public attention it affects the name of the company, yes.

It's a philosophical question of how much control do we want employers to exercise over our lives. I work for an organic food company, should they be able to fire me for buying non organic food because it's cheaper? What if I wear a company ball cap at the grocery store and someone sees me?
 
Technically yes. But it worries me that people are so eager to give employers the power to control the lawful activities of employees during working hours.
You mean during non-working hours? I agree that you do what you want on your own time, but not if it affects your work. Surely your employer would fire you on the spot if it became common knowledge you were a serial killer?

It's a philosophical question of how much control do we want employers to exercise over our lives. I work for an organic food company, should they be able to fire me for buying non organic food because it's cheaper? What if I wear a company ball cap at the grocery store and someone sees me?
I won't argue what's right and wrong in that context, but as an employer, you have to draw a line somewhere, non-competition clauses during your time there for example. What is and isn't allowed is in your contract most of the times, which I'm pretty sure is also in the CBA in the NFL.
 
It's a philosophical question of how much control do we want employers to exercise over our lives. I work for an organic food company, should they be able to fire me for buying non organic food because it's cheaper? What if I wear a company ball cap at the grocery store and someone sees me?
Not if it isn't in your terms of employment. NFL players are told to behave themselves outside of football or risk being punished. They agree to it. Its similar to Beckham almost losing his contract with Brylcreme when he shaved his head.
 
You mean during non-working hours? I agree that you do what you want on your own time, but not if it affects your work. Surely your employer would fire you on the spot if it became common knowledge you were a serial killer?

Being a serial killer is not lawful.


But anyway, Peterson and rice had a contract which spelled out punishments and public sentiment was clamoring for more punishment.
 
Being a serial killer is not lawful.


But anyway, Peterson and rice had a contract which spelled out punishments and public sentiment was clamoring for more punishment.
But knocking your wife out and dragging her through a hotel is? Anyway, if their contracts really stipulated that, I won't argue against the respective cases. Just wanted to make the remark that in some cases, your behaviour outside the field can still have an impact on the association, and that the NFL's punishments seem very inconsistent. That's all.
 
But knocking your wife out and dragging her through a hotel is? Anyway, if their contracts really stipulated that, I won't argue against the respective cases. Just wanted to make the remark that in some cases, your behaviour outside the field can still have an impact on the association, and that the NFL's punishments seem very inconsistent. That's all.

No of course not. But I'm arguing that 1) if there are contracts they should be adhered to and 2) the public desire for employers to punish people for things they find distasteful is dangerous.
 
Would you take a superbowl win for your team under those circumstances with your QB missing 4 games + a 1m fine and a first round draft pick the next season?
 
Would you take a superbowl win for your team under those circumstances with your QB missing 4 games + a 1m fine and a first round draft pick the next season?
I would. Once Brady is gone and his career is in the history books it'll still say 4 time Superbowl champion and he'll still be regarded as one of the best.
 
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