Neymar or Ronaldo ?

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RedRonaldo said:
12 goals in farmers league last season, 0 goal in CL, over 28 games. Comfortably better player? Don’t think so.
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Why make up stuff?

Last season:

Minutes played:
Ronaldo - 3191 minutes - 35,46 x 90 minutes
Neymar - 2328 minutes - 25,87 x 90 minutes

Neymar's always been more injury prone than Ronaldo.

Endproduct:
Goals:
Ronaldo - 0,67 goals per 90 minutes
Neymar - 0,50 goals per 90 minutes

Expected assists:
Ronaldo - 0,12 expected assists per 90 minutes
Neymar - 0,34 expected assists per 90 minutes

Total goalthreat (Goals + expected assists)
Ronaldo - 0,79 G+xA per 90
Neymar - 0,84 G+xA per 90

Creativity:
Dribbles:
Ronaldo - 0,85 players dribbled past per 90 minutes
Neymar - 3,40 players dribbled past per 90 minutes

Vertical passing:
Ronaldo - 1,41 passes into the attacking 1/3 per 90 - 0,59 passes into the penalty area per 90 - 1,78 progressive passes per 90
Neymar - 5,10 passes into the attacking 1/3 per 90 - 1,97 passes into the penalty area per 90 - 6,42 progressive passes per 90

I guess the numbers speaks for them selves.

Defensive contribution:
Pressing:
Ronaldo - 6,35 pressings per 90 - 2,88 pressings in the attacking 1/3 per 90 (Bottom of the list for attacking players in the top 5 leagues)
Neymar - 16,43 pressings per 90 - 6,88 pressings in the attacking 1/3 per 90

Tackles and interceptions:
Ronaldo - 0,34 tackles per 90 - 0,28 interceptions per 90 - Total 0,62 tackles + interceptions per 90
Neymar - 1,51 tackles per 90 - 0,70 interceptions per 90 - Total 2,21 tackles + interceptions per 90

I guess the numbers speaks for them selves.

I know we are comparing apples and oranges here, but you started it. Neymar is pretty much better than Ronnie at everything in football except putting it in the back of the net and smelling a goal these days.
His big minus is that he is injury prone and a big diva. While Ronnies "elite" mentality hasn't rubbed off on a single teammate so far, so I don't think you can put that on his pros-list either.

I'd rather we stayed away from Neymar just like I'd rather we let Ronaldo move on. I think the team will be better without them.
 
troylocker said:
Why make up stuff?

Last season:

Minutes played:
Ronaldo - 3191 minutes - 35,46 x 90 minutes
Neymar - 2328 minutes - 25,87 x 90 minutes

Neymar's always been more injury prone than Ronaldo.

Endproduct:
Goals:
Ronaldo - 0,67 goals per 90 minutes
Neymar - 0,50 goals per 90 minutes

Expected assists:
Ronaldo - 0,12 expected assists per 90 minutes
Neymar - 0,34 expected assists per 90 minutes

Total goalthreat (Goals + expected assists)
Ronaldo - 0,79 G+xA per 90
Neymar - 0,84 G+xA per 90

Creativity:
Dribbles:
Ronaldo - 0,85 players dribbled past per 90 minutes
Neymar - 3,40 players dribbled past per 90 minutes

Vertical passing:
Ronaldo - 1,41 passes into the attacking 1/3 per 90 - 0,59 passes into the penalty area per 90 - 1,78 progressive passes per 90
Neymar - 5,10 passes into the attacking 1/3 per 90 - 1,97 passes into the penalty area per 90 - 6,42 progressive passes per 90

I guess the numbers speaks for them selves.

Defensive contribution:
Pressing:
Ronaldo - 6,35 pressings per 90 - 2,88 pressings in the attacking 1/3 per 90 (Bottom of the list for attacking players in the top 5 leagues)
Neymar - 16,43 pressings per 90 - 6,88 pressings in the attacking 1/3 per 90

Tackles and interceptions:
Ronaldo - 0,34 tackles per 90 - 0,28 interceptions per 90 - Total 0,62 tackles + interceptions per 90
Neymar - 1,51 tackles per 90 - 0,70 interceptions per 90 - Total 2,21 tackles + interceptions per 90

I guess the numbers speaks for them selves.

I know we are comparing apples and oranges here, but you started it. Neymar is pretty much better than Ronnie at everything in football except putting it in the back of the net and smelling a goal these days.
His big minus is that he is injury prone and a big diva. While Ronnies "elite" mentality hasn't rubbed off on a single teammate so far, so I don't think you can put that on his pros-list either.

I'd rather we stayed away from Neymar just like I'd rather we let Ronaldo move on. I think the team will be better without them.
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Nonsense.

Not only that you are comparing apple to orange with farmers league vs best league stats, you are also taking per 90 mins stats from smaller sample size vs larger sample size. Next we would have someone comparing some lower league nobody with 2 goals in 2 games in terms of per 90 mins stats and claim he is comfortably better everyone else.

Now to give a clear overall picture, here’s their overall goals contribution over past 3 seasons:

19-20: Ronaldo 37 goals vs Neymar 19 goals
20-21: Ronaldo 36 goals vs Neymar 17 goals
21-22: Ronaldo 24 goals vs Neymar 13 goals

Ronaldo at 34-37 score 97 goals in 3 seasons (top 1-3 league), Neymar at 27-30 score 49 goals in 3 seasons (5th rank league). Try process the meaning of that in your mind.

For whatever reasons (prone to injuries, partying, take a month off visiting his sister in her birthday etc), thats the level productivity Neymar has been consistently providing over past 3 years, and would be expecting to produce in future years. He has been consistently a 15 goal per season forward in farmers league. The same league where Yedder scored 25 goals a season, and Depay gets 22 goals 12 assist the season before. That’s the fact, so try deal with it.

Try also to translate that into per 90 minute stats and pretend it matters. Truth is, per 90 mins stats doesn’t matter when the total numbers has been consistently low over course of season after season after season.

And lastly, here’s an example showing the difference in quality between Ligue 1 and PL, for your easy reference:

Zlatan:
15-16: 50 goals in 51 games in French league + cups
16-17: 26 goals in 48 games in PL + cups

So, a 15 goal per season forward in French league, would probably means 8 goal per season in PL. Try paint it in per 90 mins stats argument to claim how great he is. He still produce feck all no matter how hard you try to paint it.
 
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Would I take neymar? In an ideal world, yeah.
Truth is he probably wouldn't last 5 minutes in the premier league.
He'd be broken and on a plane to his sister's before September was done.
 
Actually we haven't really splashed the cash and overpaid for a player who doesn't really want to come here before. Maybe it would work, worth a try. Neymar in.
 
I don’t want that cnut Neymar anywhere near us, the drama would be like Pogba with the volume turned up times ten and that’s not including the fact that Brazilians heading into their 30’s seem to embrace the party lifestyle and their fitness is awful.
 
I just hope the people who voted Neymar is the same people who are fanboying Pogba. Because it doesn’t make sense to accept Neymar to come here if you are unhappy with Pogba at United.
 
In short term (this sesson) Ronaldo.
In long term (next few years) Neymar.

In general; neither of those two.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Nonsense.

Not only that you are comparing apple to orange with farmers league vs best league stats, you are also taking per 90 mins stats from smaller sample size vs larger sample size. Next we would have someone comparing some lower league nobody with 2 goals in 2 games in terms of per 90 mins stats and claim he is comfortably better everyone else.

Now to give a clear overall picture, here’s their overall goals contribution over past 3 seasons:

19-20: Ronaldo 37 goals vs Neymar 19 goals
20-21: Ronaldo 36 goals vs Neymar 17 goals
21-22: Ronaldo 24 goals vs Neymar 13 goals

Ronaldo at 34-37 score 97 goals in 3 seasons (top 1-3 league), Neymar at 27-30 score 49 goals in 3 seasons (5th rank league). Try process the meaning of that in your mind.

For whatever reasons (prone to injuries, partying, take a month off visiting his sister in her birthday etc), thats the level productivity Neymar has been consistently providing over past 3 years, and would be expecting to produce in future years. He has been consistently a 15 goal per season forward in farmers league. The same league where Yedder scored 25 goals a season, and Depay gets 22 goals 12 assist the season before. That’s the fact, so try deal with it.

Try also to translate that into per 90 minute stats and pretend it matters. Truth is, per 90 mins stats doesn’t matter when the total numbers has been consistently low over course of season after season after season.

And lastly, here’s an example showing the difference in quality between Ligue 1 and PL, for your easy reference:

Zlatan:
15-16: 50 goals in 51 games in French league + cups
16-17: 26 goals in 48 games in PL + cups

So, a 15 goal per season forward in French league, would probably means 8 goal per season in PL. Try paint it in per 90 mins stats argument to claim how great he is. He still produce feck all no matter how hard you try to paint it.
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Funny that when I agree with you that Ronaldo is scoring more goals than Neymar is, and you still insist on using that as an example of why one is better than the other. Neymar plays left attacking midfielder at PSG while Ronaldo plays central forward, so it's really not that surprising.
Neymar is better at everything other than scoring goals is what I claimed, and he also puts in a shift defensively, compared to Ronaldo who is the single worst attacking player in Europe's top 5 leagues (statistically) when it comes to pressing. He is also 7 years younger on the day. I still stand by that.

Why would 15 goals in Ligue 1 mean 8 goals in the PL for him? Because you can mention one example from the past? He's not a striker, he scored 39 in a season for Barca and has consistantly been delivering 1+ goals/assist per 90 for every club he's played for + the Brazil NT. He's been injured a lot and has not always been the perfect professional, but talent and abilities has always been there.

Some fresh fun facts:
In 2022 Ronaldo has scored 10 goals (2 hattricks) and assisted zero goals in 18 games for us, and in 12 of those games he didn't score or assist any goals.
In 2022 Neymar has scored 10 goals and asssited 5 goals for PSG in 14 games for PSG (he assisted both PSGs goals agaisnt RM in the CL), in 5 of those games he didn't score or assist.

In 2022 Ronaldo has scored 2 and assisted 2 goals in 5 games for Portugal.
In 2022 Neymar has scored 4 and assisted 0 goals in 3 games for Brazil.

Total in 2022 has Ronaldo scored 12 and assisted 2 goals in 23 games as a CF for Man United and Portugal and has played 15 games without scoring or assisting any goals.
Total in 2022 has Neymar scored 14 and assisted 5 in 17 games as a AML for PSG and CF for Brazil and has played only 5 games without scoring or assisting.

At the same time has Neymar dribbled past 4 x as many players, created 3 x as many chances, put in 2,7 x as many pressings and performed 3,5 x as many tackles and interceptions per game than Ronaldo.
Who has been more productive of the two this year?

I don't want Neymar here, but he's a lot better at football at 30 than Ronaldo is at 37.
 
troylocker said:
Funny that when I agree with you that Ronaldo is scoring more goals than Neymar is, and you still insist on using that as an example of why one is better than the other. Neymar plays left attacking midfielder at PSG while Ronaldo plays central forward, so it's really not that surprising.
Neymar is better at everything other than scoring goals is what I claimed, and he also puts in a shift defensively, compared to Ronaldo who is the single worst attacking player in Europe's top 5 leagues (statistically) when it comes to pressing. He is also 7 years younger on the day. I still stand by that.

Why would 15 goals in Ligue 1 mean 8 goals in the PL for him? Because you can mention one example from the past? He's not a striker, he scored 39 in a season for Barca and has consistantly been delivering 1+ goals/assist per 90 for every club he's played for + the Brazil NT. He's been injured a lot and has not always been the perfect professional, but talent and abilities has always been there.

Some fresh fun facts:
In 2022 Ronaldo has scored 10 goals (2 hattricks) and assisted zero goals in 18 games for us, and in 12 of those games he didn't score or assist any goals.
In 2022 Neymar has scored 10 goals and asssited 5 goals for PSG in 14 games for PSG (he assisted both PSGs goals agaisnt RM in the CL), in 5 of those games he didn't score or assist.

In 2022 Ronaldo has scored 2 and assisted 2 goals in 5 games for Portugal.
In 2022 Neymar has scored 4 and assisted 0 goals in 3 games for Brazil.

Total in 2022 has Ronaldo scored 12 and assisted 2 goals in 23 games as a CF for Man United and Portugal and has played 15 games without scoring or assisting any goals.
Total in 2022 has Neymar scored 14 and assisted 5 in 17 games as a AML for PSG and CF for Brazil and has played only 5 games without scoring or assisting.

At the same time has Neymar dribbled past 4 x as many players, created 3 x as many chances, put in 2,7 x as many pressings and performed 3,5 x as many tackles and interceptions per game than Ronaldo.
Who has been more productive of the two this year?

I don't want Neymar here, but he's a lot better at football at 30 than Ronaldo is at 37.
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When Ronaldo is wing forward at 28-30 he is consistently scoring 50-60 goals and 15 assists per seasons. We are comparing peak age Neymar with declining retiring age Ronaldo here, remember. If we compare Ronaldo and Neymar at same age same position, its totally no match.

Also, since you've bought up international goals+assists this year, are you sure you want to also add all international goals and assists to the equation too? I think its fair to compare everything, maybe I can do a more comprehensive one for you:

Past 3 years (clubs+country)

19-20
Ronaldo: 48 goals 5 assists in 52 games
Neymar: 20 goals 10 assists in 31 games

20-21
Ronaldo: 46 goals 7 assists in 59 games
Neymar: 21 goals 11 assists in 36 games

21-22
Ronaldo: 32 goals 4 assists in 49 games
Neymar: 20 goals 11 assist in 45 games

Overall,
Ronaldo scored 126 goals and 16 assists in past 3 years, at the age of 35-37.
Neymar scored 61 goals and 32 assists in past 3 years, at the age of 28-30.

Seriously, even Neymar is better dribbler/playmaker, I really can't see Neymar at (28, 29, 30) being "comfortably better" than Ronaldo at (35, 36, 37), as he could only produced less half the numbers in goals, which is a shocking huge gap there.

Bottom line is, apart from huge difference in goal numbers, a player who is comfortably better, can't even get into team of season in 5th ranked league. While a player who is comfortably worse, gets into team of season in top 1 best league.

Do you think this even make any sense at all?
 
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charlenefan said:
In what world is Neymar considerably better?
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He is vastly better than Ronaldo. He can do far more on a pitch than poach goals
RedRonaldo said:
Neymar has been underwhelming for PSG last season. 13 goals in 28 games in farmers league in a dominating side. I am not sure anyone would think he is considerably better than Ronaldo currently.
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he played 1800 minutes in the league which is roughly 20 games.
mu4c_20le said:
He's 30 now, I actually thought he was still around 27. Injury prone, and just came off a poor season by his standards with 0 goals in the CL. He's another Alexis waiting to happen.
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He is a far more complete player than Alexis
 
Stacks said:
He is vastly better than Ronaldo. He can do far more on a pitch than poach goals

he played 1800 minutes in the league which is roughly 20 games.

He is a far more complete player than Alexis
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Just poach goals :lol:

Know where we'd of finished last season had it not been for Ronaldo just poaching goals?
 
RedRonaldo said:
When Ronaldo is wing forward at 28-30 he is consistently scoring 50-60 goals and 15 assists per seasons. We are comparing peak age Neymar with declining retiring age Ronaldo here, remember. If we compare Ronaldo and Neymar at same age same position, its totally no match.

Also, since you've bought up international goals+assists this year, are you sure you want to also add all international goals and assists to the equation too? I think its fair to compare everything, maybe I can do a more comprehensive one for you:

Past 3 years (clubs+country)

19-20
Ronaldo: 48 goals 5 assists in 52 games
Neymar: 20 goals 10 assists in 31 games

20-21
Ronaldo: 46 goals 7 assists in 59 games
Neymar: 21 goals 11 assists in 36 games

21-22
Ronaldo: 32 goals 4 assists in 49 games
Neymar: 20 goals 11 assist in 45 games

Overall,
Ronaldo scored 126 goals and 16 assists in past 3 years, at the age of 35-37.
Neymar scored 61 goals and 32 assists in past 3 years, at the age of 28-30.

Seriously, even Neymar is better dribbler/playmaker, I really can't see Neymar at (28, 29, 30) being "comfortably better" than Ronaldo at (35, 36, 37), as he could only produced less half the numbers in goals, which is a shocking huge gap there.

Bottom line is, apart from huge difference in goal numbers, a player who is comfortably better, can't even get into team of season in 5th ranked league. While a player who is comfortably worse, gets into team of season in top 1 best league.

Do you think this even make any sense at all?
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thats because he plays half the minutes. Do you understand goals to minutes? Ronaldo played 4000 minutes some seasons to Neymars 2300 so of course he will have more goals
 
Stacks said:
thats because he plays half the minutes. Do you understand goals to minutes? Ronaldo played 4000 minutes some seasons to Neymars 2300 so of course he will have more goals
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Of course, If someone scores 1 goals in 1 games every season, by your logic he will have the best goals to minutes.

Do you understand goals per seasons?
 
Stacks said:
He is a far more complete player than Alexis
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Agreed, and three years ago I'd be all over this. But injuries and signs of decline, at his age, questionable motivation, coming to the most physical and intense league in the world, to a dysfunctional team....just sounds like the perfect recipe for disaster.
 
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Neymar attracts so much drama compared to Ronaldo. After the pogba circus I dont want players who are in the headlines more for their off field antics instead of their on field work.
 
troylocker said:
Why make up stuff?

Last season:

Minutes played:
Ronaldo - 3191 minutes - 35,46 x 90 minutes
Neymar - 2328 minutes - 25,87 x 90 minutes

Neymar's always been more injury prone than Ronaldo.

Endproduct:
Goals:
Ronaldo - 0,67 goals per 90 minutes
Neymar - 0,50 goals per 90 minutes

Expected assists:
Ronaldo - 0,12 expected assists per 90 minutes
Neymar - 0,34 expected assists per 90 minutes

Total goalthreat (Goals + expected assists)
Ronaldo - 0,79 G+xA per 90
Neymar - 0,84 G+xA per 90

Creativity:
Dribbles:
Ronaldo - 0,85 players dribbled past per 90 minutes
Neymar - 3,40 players dribbled past per 90 minutes

Vertical passing:
Ronaldo - 1,41 passes into the attacking 1/3 per 90 - 0,59 passes into the penalty area per 90 - 1,78 progressive passes per 90
Neymar - 5,10 passes into the attacking 1/3 per 90 - 1,97 passes into the penalty area per 90 - 6,42 progressive passes per 90

I guess the numbers speaks for them selves.

Defensive contribution:
Pressing:
Ronaldo - 6,35 pressings per 90 - 2,88 pressings in the attacking 1/3 per 90 (Bottom of the list for attacking players in the top 5 leagues)
Neymar - 16,43 pressings per 90 - 6,88 pressings in the attacking 1/3 per 90

Tackles and interceptions:
Ronaldo - 0,34 tackles per 90 - 0,28 interceptions per 90 - Total 0,62 tackles + interceptions per 90
Neymar - 1,51 tackles per 90 - 0,70 interceptions per 90 - Total 2,21 tackles + interceptions per 90

I guess the numbers speaks for them selves.

I know we are comparing apples and oranges here, but you started it. Neymar is pretty much better than Ronnie at everything in football except putting it in the back of the net and smelling a goal these days.
His big minus is that he is injury prone and a big diva. While Ronnies "elite" mentality hasn't rubbed off on a single teammate so far, so I don't think you can put that on his pros-list either.

I'd rather we stayed away from Neymar just like I'd rather we let Ronaldo move on. I think the team will be better without them.
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Nice comparing France’s league vs the premier league
 
RedRonaldo said:
Of course, If someone scores 1 goals in 1 games every season, by your logic he will have the best goals to minutes.

Do you understand goals per seasons?
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This is of course a valid point, and Neymars injury and party numbers per season is worrying and why we should never go for him. Ronaldo's injury record over the last almost 20 years in 2nd to none. Still Neymar, when playing, has a lot more to offer to a team when on the pitch than 37 year old Ronaldo, imho. Playing with 37 year old Ronaldo means allowing the opponent a lot more time and room with the ball, plus he is not even 1/3 as productive for his teammates compared to Neymar.
 
barros said:
Nice comparing France’s league vs the premier league
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Do you think Neymar would stop pressing and looking for vertical passes in the PL? Or Ronaldo to suddenly start chasing down oppo players in Ligue 1? They are extremely different players and where one is better at one thing and the other is better at the rest.
 
Neymar..???
Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.
Avoid like the plague.
 
troylocker said:
This is of course a valid point, and Neymars injury and party numbers per season is worrying and why we should never go for him. Ronaldo's injury record over the last almost 20 years in 2nd to none. Still Neymar, when playing, has a lot more to offer to a team when on the pitch than 37 year old Ronaldo, imho. Playing with 37 year old Ronaldo means allowing the opponent a lot more time and room with the ball, plus he is not even 1/3 as productive for his teammates compared to Neymar.
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But no matter how good he could be, 3 years of constant injuries/partying habit is too much when we are comparing him with someone who consistently produce top numbers seasons after seasons. Pogba has occasional top class performance for us too, would you like to have Pogba with similar inconsistency/injuries records for another 3 years?
 
Neymar is, and has been one of my favorite players to watch in world football over the last ten years or so
 
RedRonaldo said:
And lastly, here’s an example showing the difference in quality between Ligue 1 and PL, for your easy reference:

Zlatan:
15-16: 50 goals in 51 games in French league + cups
16-17: 26 goals in 48 games in PL + cups

So, a 15 goal per season forward in French league, would probably means 8 goal per season in PL. Try paint it in per 90 mins stats argument to claim how great he is. He still produce feck all no matter how hard you try to paint it.
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:lol: I'm sorry but that's one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen in my (albeit short) time on this forum. I get that you all like to disrespect Ligue 1 cause why not, but to present this like some empirical evidence ... you can't be serious.
 
If and it’s a huge if we sign Neymar at 30 and then offload Ronaldo it means Rashford and Martial are playing CF next season and Neymar is playing left wing or number 10 and Bruno is not guaranteed anything, Ronaldo will only be sold for £25-30M maybe even 40M and we will try and pay the same fee for Neymar, PSG hate city and Newcastle for obvious reasons so a bidding war looks not possible. This too me is just hot air not happening if it does we are swapping a dedicated professional for a party boy who maybe has 5 years left but whose to say Ronaldo won’t play til he’s 40 ?
 
rainey said:
:lol: I'm sorry but that's one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen in my (albeit short) time on this forum. I get that you all like to disrespect Ligue 1 cause why not, but to present this like some empirical evidence ... you can't be serious.
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I honestly think thats fair adjustment
 
Neymar is injured half the time. Automatically makes him a no go as a star player for us.

Ronaldo is always fit and delivers results albeit not quite the same technical standard as Neymar perhaps can once in a blue moon.

Ronaldo also loves our club and truth be told scores more goals.
 
Get Neymar only if we are also registering for a different sport - diving - and someone to replace revenue generating circus clown Pogba.

Time for our scouts to deliver on targets that can fit EtH's style
 
barros said:
Nice comparing France’s league vs the premier league
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They're far more similar than most other leagues out there. People want to act like the PL is this huge step up, it really isn't, especially for Ligue 1 players.
 
i would take them both, and start them both. led mcfred do all the chasing around...
 
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