Neymar Jr | PSG | 2017/2018 performances
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Putting like that it really amplifies the downgrade in quality.
Why should he be ? Why should he care ?
They already had an average attendance of around 45k apparently in a 48k (?) seater stadium. With or him without, seats were almost full.
A couple of my mates who aren't PSG fans or don't have any affinity for the club in the slightest have just ordered Neymar shirts. The influence is absolutely incredible.
What kinda season is a player worth 200 million supposed to have? I personally think he'll kill every team there but in terms of output I don't know if he'll match Zlatan's best season there. Would that be viewed as disappointing then?
Im not talking about PSG specifically. People want to watch Neymar people pay to watch him. They buy certain apparel and footwear because of him, for that reaaon I dnt see why people moan about his salary. Most people moaning are the reason he commands such a huge pay packet
Most of the people buying apparel would be the PSG fans, atleast in Paris. As for paying to watch Neymar, I think a lot of this interest in him is going to be short term. Once the initial hype dies out, people will only bother following him in the CL. With so much football on TV, I don't think many have the time to suddenly start watching PSG games as well.
You bought two shirts for yourself, didn't you?
I wish! The yellow one does look awesome though
Unlike Zlatan he might bring them glory in Europe. Zlatans always been a bit of a bottler in the knock out stages.
This is not true. The merchandise can be purchased & shipped to many countries & there are a lot of neutral football fan just buy whatever trend it is put out there. And merchandise is not limited to shirt, shoe, socks. It can be any companies who get associated with Neymar & PSG which can be anything really. It may be short term spike, but Neymar's commercial is one of the very top, and it has been consistently like that even when he was Santos player. So definitely PSG is gonna get consistently more revenue in than they used to be.
As for football, Neymar is an entertainer if not one of the most at the moment. For neutral fans, beside the big matches, they would rather watch Neymar than some relegation battling matches. For fanbase of big teams, beside their own team games, some big games here & there, there is plenty of time for tuning in to get some info about one of the best players, and of course most expensive player in the world. Even just for criticize every tiny failure Neymar does, there is attention for sure.
Either you don't follow football as much or you ain't exposed to different countries, how their habit of following football to pose this opinion, when saying about this. Remember Zlatan improved & Beck improved PSG image a lot when not long ago, PSG ain't that much popular beside the clinging memory of Ronaldinho used to play there. Nowadays, there are some people keep mentioning PSG & how they may one day make history pushing for CL (even before Neymar signing)
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Every touch he takes should result in a goal.
Don't think PSG is going to win the Champions League even with Neymar. It'll be pretty interesting to see how he and the club both manage expectations over the course of his current contract.
Yeah pretty much!
I love watching Neymar play and him and Messi were the major reasons I watched a lot of Barcelona matches even at odd hours here in India but him being at Barca and in a bigger league and having games like Atleti and Classico were also big draws and also the fact that Liga is a more widely broadcast league I think. Maybe I speak from a small sample size but among most of the people I know here who watch football, a very minimal amount were drawn towards PSG or watching their games under Zlatan as well Ofcourse, if there's some 50 seconds highlight of his goals, people watched but I don't think he was a big enough draw either to actually make people watch the French league when they have their own PL teams to watch or a Madrid/Barca game at the same time. I watch the odd French game myself but even that was more of Monaco games maybe once a month rather than PSG and that too when there's absolutely no other football on TV.
I just feel the craze to catch Neymar will be there initally and then die out and only exist when the big CL games come around.
It's a world record transfer so ofcourse you'll have people debating and talking about it initially.
Morata's 15 poor mins has a thread with 200+ replies and 8k + views. Lukaku's first touch has over 50K views and 800+ replies.
Lukaku is another story: United player, United section.
Let's see these stats at the end of the season!
I wanted to reply to this @Brwned post in the other thread but it got locked.
Okay so firstly, let's talk about PSG. They're generally a nothing club that have come to prominance due to their new owners. But now that they have, and have clearly and inevitably built an excellent team, pre-neymar, they are already CL contenders. Big money usually wins you trophies. It's only a matter of time that PSG will win the CL, with or without Neymar. They've been making inroads every year. As they keep spending there's nothing stopping them from making the final step. Just like it did for Chelsea and City.
So this whole idea that it will be Neymar that will take little PSG to the CL is itself misplaced. This is a team that battered Barcelona 4-0 in last year's completion. They've got players like Veratti, Thiago and Cavani. They're CL contenders already and eventually will win it given their resource's. So I'm not entirely convinced that Neymar would be doing this ridiculous feat by player a part in helping them get there. Because they are already on their way.
Aside from the PSG story there's the French league story. It's a mediocre league compared to the Spanish one. I can't fathom a player being happy to drop down such a big level. From the highest level in club football and the insane pressure of competing with the brilliant Real Madrid and the excellent Atletico, and the best and most high pressure title race in football, to possibly on the league in league 1. Really? If Ronaldo or Messi took such an path they'd be slaughtered. At the clubs they are one up and they're in trouble.
As for propelling the league, is Neymar alone going to propel a league? He'll make PSG better but they were already an attractive proposition. He can't improve the other teams. I doubt other teams will get investor's because of Neymar. Maybe for other reasons.
Okay so firstly, let's talk about PSG. They're generally a nothing club that have come to prominance due to their new owners. But now that they have, and have clearly and inevitably built an excellent team, pre-neymar, they are already CL contenders. Big money usually wins you trophies. It's only a matter of time that PSG will win the CL, with or without Neymar. They've been making inroads every year. As they keep spending there's nothing stopping them from making the final step. Just like it did for Chelsea and City.
So this whole idea that it will be Neymar that will take little PSG to the CL is itself misplaced. This is a team that battered Barcelona 4-0 in last year's completion. They've got players like Veratti, Thiago and Cavani. They're CL contenders already and eventually will win it given their resource's. So I'm not entirely convinced that Neymar would be doing this ridiculous feat by player a part in helping them get there. Because they are already on their way.
Aside from the PSG story there's the French league story. It's a mediocre league compared to the Spanish one. I can't fathom a player being happy to drop down such a big level. From the highest level in club football and the insane pressure of competing with the brilliant Real Madrid and the excellent Atletico, and the best and most high pressure title race in football, to possibly on the league in league 1. Really? If Ronaldo or Messi took such an path they'd be slaughtered. At the clubs they are one up and they're in trouble.
As for propelling the league, is Neymar alone going to propel a league? He'll make PSG better but they were already an attractive proposition. He can't improve the other teams. I doubt other teams will get investor's because of Neymar. Maybe for other reasons.
You noticed that some of the players may get past their prime soon? If they don't push on now, they may end up in rebuilding phase before having the set of players in the right age to push it.
PSG as contender is misused of the term. PSG couldn't get to semi final. Barcelona was there for the taking which the Juve games showed even more that they're too relied on the front 3 while the midfield and the back have declined too much.
Neymar was catalyst to the overturn of result vs PSG at Camp Nou. So in a sense, as much as PSG has improved over the unbalanced Barcelona, a player of Neymar calibre on his day can decide the game. Getting him now while taking advantage of their players would mean they're surer to be take on the like of Barcelona to become tru contender in rightful meaning of the term. Winning the thing will need a bit of luck though.
Neymar's popularity and the success he can lead them to could, potentially, create an entirely new audience for the Ligue Un. Given the bulk of money in football comes in the form of TV rights, if he's able to do that then the direct result will be more money distributed across the league and, in all likelihood, an increase in the standard of the competition. Like I said I'm not sure if he can do that, but then no-one is...and to me it would be an interesting challenge.
He of course wouldn't single-handedly propel them to levels they've never reached before, but then Maradona didn't single-handedly propel Napoli to levels they'd never reached before. He was the most expensive player in the world but he was one of a number of expensive purchases. In spite of that his legacy is undeniable. Maradona's legacy was from winning Serie A and his lack of European success was overlooked, while Neymar's European success would be paramount while his league success would be irrelevant for most. It's not a perfect comparison, but the similarities are greater than people would like to think.
Some people find the same challenge year after year boring. Maybe Neymar found the challenge of competing against Madrid boring and fancied something different. I don't see why people think that's something worth getting on a high horse about. It suggests that playing for Barcelona is somehow virtuous, and playing for PSG is almost a sin. You can analyse that from any number of angles and find flaws in the internal logic but it's really not worth anyone's time.
The only point to make is if you have no respect for PSG then you should have no respect for a team like di Stefano's Real Madrid, which in your case I know isn't true. All this moralisation is a bit silly as far as I'm concerned. I certainly wouldn't ridicule Ronaldo for going there, and Neymar is already being ridiculed...so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I'd be curious to see the outcome.
He has 500k (post tax) reasons to accept such a huge drop in League quality.
If he found the competition against Madrid boring, what's he going to do in the French league? Compete against a Monaco team that's been stripped off it's best assets? He was in a position at Barca where, in a year or two, he'd have been number one and would continue to make big money and challenge for the CL/Liga every year and also be in the running for POTY awards. So if ambitions is on his mind, dropping down to France doesn't help imo. How many winners from France have ever existed? He's going to be judged on pretty much only the big CL games he plays and he could have a great season and fail in a game or two in the CL and not win any individual honors. Look at what happened with Messi this year. Easily the best in the world but he didn't perform that well against PSG and Juve and now Ronaldo is winning the award.
No disrespect to PSG but I see no way he would have gone there if he wasn't offered that sort of money. If Barca and PSG offered the same wages I just don't think he would have ever left. All this is just a hypothetical and we'll never know but he and his father have always seemed very financially motivated.
Individual honors are based on the big games and the big competitions(CL, WC, Euro and Copa), that's how you win it.
Who the feck does that? This is such an alien concept to me. If I want to look like a twat, wearing a football kit as a grown man, I'd bloody well only do it with a Manchester United one. I don't give a feck if CSKA Moscow sign Messi next week, I won't wear their shirt.
Of course. But you see the reception he received, he instantly became the face of the club. He will be worshipped like a god there. He would have never received such limelight with messi in the team.
It really is a landmark transfer. Fair play to PSG, they did it in some style.
Ligue 1 broadcast rights will rise abit with neymar playing there i bet.
In case I have missed it, has anyone done a write up to explain how PSG did this deal within FFP?
FFP will do the checks once the season has ended or near the end, not before the transfer is made. So in this case PSG must be having some plan, or at least offload few players.
FC Barcelona was founded in 1899 and could be considered as a "nothing club" in the early 1900s... "Nothing club" is the term used by a guy, probably living in India, who thinks European Football is the product of 5-6 clubs only.
Even if PSG was established in 1970, the club has a strong track-record at the European level. PSG is a leading club in a country, one of the most influential from an historical perspective.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Saint-Germain_F.C.
Any "everything football clubs" - as you'd say - has...everything...including "big money". I don't know a single poor European football club that won the Champions League in the last decade.
Ronaldinho, Romario, Ronaldo, Kubala, Rivaldo, Dani Alves, Abidal, Stoickhov...It's the story of players who simply joined Barcelona that - by pure coincidence - has "big money" to pay the transaction fees and offer a better salary package compared to their previous clubs.
Bayern Munich is successful for many reasons but the main reason is they attract the best local talents: who can compete financially with Bayern in Germany? Nobody.
A matter of time, why not? But when? in 2019 or 2054?
You seem to fail to understand Neymar is a special player like Cr7, Messi, L Suarez... PSG stagnates since 2012 and fail to reach the Semi-Final of the Champions League: Neymar is a leader on the pitch (see WC 2014) and can help PSG moving forward.
You undervalue the global impact of a player like Neymar at all levels, including in terms of TV rights (South-America, Asia). More visibility = more interest = more sponsors = more money = potential virtuous circle
France has won 1 European Cup/Champions League trophy in his history: Marseille in 93
The issue is you have a one-dimensional vision and ignore other decision criteria. A decision is rarely based on a single criteria but a set of factors: are you capable to understand some are looking for new challenges?
This response is the kind used by a guy probably not named ecstatic but definitely lacking in comprehension skills. Obviously only someone desperate to take things too literally would take what I said literally. PSG aren't a revered traditional giant of the game in the same manner that Barcelona, Madrid, Juventus etc. are. That's obvious and I'm sure even you're capable of understanding that, no matter how you wish to dress up their pre-Qatari relevance.
Also, a nice sprinkle of racism there. Well done on that. This should bode well in your journey here of being a ridiculed poster.
Understand the context of the post first. Generally there are no nothing clubs. All clubs have their own unique stories and relevance. But when it comes to a player of the quality of Neymar, a genuine potential Balon Dor winner, you're looking at the absolute elite clubs, naturally.
Thank you for proving my point. Wealth generally correlates to trophies leading aside occasions of poor spending or management. Adding to that, PSG aren't just wealthy like a club like Juventus are. They arent the same as those examples you've given. They are backed by absolutely mental financial resources.
Within the next 3-7 years most likely, with or without Neymar.
You on the other hand seem to succeed at creating imaginary arguments to struggle to battle against. My views on Neymar and his quality are clear.
The issue, if isn't really an issue, is that you seem to struggle to deal with an opposing view. For, if one does exist, it must "two dimensional" unlike my super three dimensional opinion backed up by my super advanced three dimensional vision
And that view must have just one criteria in mind. It couldn't possibly considered more than one. Because it opposed my view.Sorry to burst your bubble, chap, but maybe you need to get off your high horse a little. I'm more than capable of understanding the incredibly basic points your making, as is everyone else. Of course Neymar is looking for a new challenge. That you need to state that as your big bold closing statement as if it is anything new is amusing. I just happen to disagree with the move for a number of reasons.
Unlike you, though, I don't think the other people considering this move a good one to be simplistic and incapable of understanding things. Or bother to stress in their nationality for weird racist point scoring either. But that's just me.
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I only see ignorance and arrogance in your posts.
You are free to think it's racist to suggest you're certainly unfamiliar with the French League given your previous post.
Neymar said himself he did join PSG to write History.
Shoud I believe you or Neymar himself? Tough choice.
Also, I have always found the status quos boring, just my personal opinion.
I only see ignorance and arrogance in your posts.
You are free to think it's racist to suggest you're certainly unfamiliar with the French League given your previous post.
Neymar said himself he did join PSG to write History.
Shoud I believe you or Neymar himself? Tough choice.
Also, I have always found the status quos boring, just my personal opinion.
God or not, if PSG fail to impress in Europe it'll be the wrong kind of limelight. I mean, for 200m what kind of impact is he expected to have? He's risking a lot by hedging his best years at a club in need of revitalisation.
It could be a motivating factor, revitalize a club like PSG.
Personally I am disappointed by a lot of people. I wouldn't have made the move that Neymar made because in my opinion Barcelona is a better city, La Liga is obviously a better league and the FC Barcelona was a club where he could have tried to overshadow a lot of legends of the game. I understand why he would join PSG though, the money is good, the city is good even though it's not my favorite and he can write an unparalleled history for PSG.
For me the disappointing part is how people are insulting towards everything and everyone, the league, the club and the player. There is an incredible amount of arrogance and lack of respect in football, that's disappointing.
Obviously he did. No one with half a brain cell expected him to come out and say the primary motivator for him joining is 'cos of the buttfeck tonne of money he stands to make, but most of us know that's the reason why. Outside of China, PSG are the only ones mental enough to gerrymander FFP by performing financial/sponsorship gymnastics over in the gulf to get it done. I like Neymar - he's talented and seems like a nice person but I can't help but hope this whole thing falls flat on it's arse. I also don't understand what a poster's nationality/place of residence has to do with their opinion on football?
If he propels them to a Champions League win then fair fecks to him. He's got the money and the glory. It feels far-fetched to me though. I just find it odd people getting defensive about the whole thing. Is it to do with the French league getting derided that some don't appreciate? Regardless, it surely hasn't fooled many into thinking PSG are part of the elite (yet). Just that they are willing to throw enough money at people to convince them into buying into their 'project'.
Great post. The weird hatred makes even side with PSG and Neymar whereas I still think this transfer is weird.
PSG made history in their own way, they bought a genuine world superstar for the highest fee ever. Deal with it.