Think a lot of this he is doing on purpose to engineer his Chelsea exit to be fair.
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Think a lot of this he is doing on purpose to engineer his Chelsea exit to be fair.
See, this I could accept. Having Giggs go on to succeed LVG and most likely fail however I cannot.
Heres a thought, could Xavi be the next Pep?
I hope so.
Would have thought Ancelotti and Pep will arrive in the PL sooner rather than later. The United and Arsenal jobs will be available reasonably soon and wouldn't be surprised if City sacked Pelligrini for a chance to bring in 1 of the aforementioned 2. If Mourinho leaves Chelsea then that's another vacancy but also another top manager available so gunna be a race to secure the cream of the crop I think. Pep’s ideal for us so he'd be my first choice.
I think he would be a good manager to get, plus there's the possibility of a long reign as well. Radical though it is, I think we should try & get him. To get our man though, we may need to make some tough decisions re:LvG.
What worries me though, is that our club, affluent & famous as we are, managed to follow one of the most successful manager in history with their 6th (?) choice (Moyes). I can't help but wonder about those with power to make & veto decisions at our club that this event happened. I don't hold it against fans for the hubris that followed, but I'm worried our club is run by people who aren't up to the job. Could this be because for 26 years years we had a manager who would make a lot of decisions, so they didn't have to? I said it enough at the time, but for a great team with a legendary manager retiring and the lessons to be learnt, we only have to look back at our own history & to when Matt Busby went.
I've digressed lot, but we should be punching our weight in the transfer market for both players and managers. But with managers, it's a very limited market and availability is the key. So maybe if it means bringing forward LvGs retirement a year to get Pep? I'm OK with that ...
What worries me though, is that our club, affluent & famous as we are, managed to follow one of the most successful manager in history with their 6th (?) choice (Moyes). I can't help but wonder about those with power to make & veto decisions at our club that this event happened. I don't hold it against fans for the hubris that followed, but I'm worried our club is run by people who aren't up to the job. Could this be because for 26 years years we had a manager who would make a lot of decisions, so they didn't have to? I said it enough at the time, but for a great team with a legendary manager retiring and the lessons to be learnt, we only have to look back at our own history & to when Matt Busby went.
I've digressed lot, but we should be punching our weight in the transfer market for both players and managers. But with managers, it's a very limited market and availability is the key. So maybe if it means bringing forward LvGs retirement a year to get Pep? I'm OK with that ...
Much as I love Giggsy, he's got no managerial track record. Need I say anymore?
Keeping him as a figure in the club to coach & bring his experience, alongside a manager, makes a lot more sense to me than sticking him in the firing line.
Keeping him as a figure in the club to coach & bring his experience, alongside a manager, makes a lot more sense to me than sticking him in the firing line.
What worries me is the decisions made by the club. Moyes etc... We're a big organisation now, lots of new people, I think there's still a lot of hubris, people comfy in jobs who've maybe had an easy ride over the years. I'm not sure the alarm bells would ring
I'm sure most would love him to manage us if he did as Solskjaer has, gone off to manage a couple of clubs to get some experience under his belt.
Mourinho guarantees trophies and he has a record of good football so it's easy to put on the blinders for that argument but essentially it's the same thing except Simeone isn't as much of a twat.
You must be a half glass full kind of guy
It's true. First half of Chelsea's last season, plenty of times with Real. He's certainly capable of producing quality football. When it really, really matters he usually doesn't show it.
Just a general question that kind of fits this thread, but whatever happened Guus Hiddink's profile as a world class manager? Surely it's not all been tarnished by that bad spell with this awful Dutch team? His spell at Chelsea was still excellent like.
He's now 68 and not had a successful stint in a top job since Chelsea with mediocre spells at Turkey and Netherlands with a reasonable spell at Russian club Anzhi which he soured by suddenly resigning shortly after extending his contract there.
Suppose he may take on a short term "firefighting" challenge but his days of getting a proper multi year contract at an elite club are probably over.
Giggs will cause a ruckus and lead a mutiny if he didnt get the job after lvg.
Genuine question.
Has he actually been promised the job or is it just down to remarks from people like Ferguson and van Gaal saying what they think will happen?
Would be surprised if United passed on a proven top manager for him if it's not predetermined.
Who will join his mutiny? Rooney??
I dont think Giggs has the leadership skills to organise a mutiny.
Ive got to say though IF and its a big IF we do end up with Jose after Van Gaal, then why the sweet feck didnt we just put him in place to replace SAF?
Because he wanted Chelsea.
what over replacing the best manager ever at the largest club in the world that he hasnt had a crack at yet? yeah sure he wanted Chelsea over us. Clearly we ruled him out first leaving him with no real option but chelsea
As per SAF's story, Chelsea was the only place he wanted to go.
Let's be honest, he's made himself look an utter twat loooonnnnggg before re-joining Chelsea. Only thing that kept the twattishness brushed over by some was his trophy haul.
I believe that as well. As hard as it is for some United fans to believe any manager could possibly choose another club over us, it is actually possible - especially for a manager that has an existing relationship with the other club, when that other club is in London, which is a more desirable place to live and work than Manchester, and when you know that the United job is a poisoned chalice. Chelsea has actually been a poisoned chalice itself for a few years since his departure, but I always thought with all the water under the bridge he and Abramovich might find their way back to each other and be more committed this time around. I guess that theory is now being put to the test.
Then he should bee shown the door.
Clever. Very good.
its not like anyone would want to go public with anyone actually rejecting this club, especially such a massive high profile name. Its all political
true that.
I don't know how ambitious giggs is, but if (big if) lvg retires and bringing pep in, which means his chances to be manager are in doubt (might or might mot happen with pep), and pep is not a yes man who's guaranteed will want to take him under his wing, it will cause alot of conflict of interest.
No idea. But the way things are going im sure he has his hopes up in some way. Whether it's black and white i have no idea.
Besides. The only person that would want him to be the manager is saf and the fans. I dont think any of our player bar rooney and probably carrick would choose him over ancelotti, mourinho or pep. They owe him no sentimentality.
Players like martial, darmian, shaw, ms, bfs, rojo, memphis probably look up to him as a past legend, and that's all.
If Guardiola was prepared to get rid of the Bayern doctor last season who had been at Bayern for 38 years, he'd be comfortable removing Giggs from the backroom staff if he feels Giggs is underperforming or even worse undermining him and that's where it could get awkward.
It will be interesting and a massive conundrum regardless.
Say all top managers are taken (Klopp, Pep, Simeone etc.) and Mourinho is clearly & by far, the best option available at a certain point in time (say the Giggs experiment fails)....I wouldn't want to be on the Board at that time.
From a personal point of view - I'd never want him at United, but as a Director of United, who's got the interest of the shareholders (and sponsors!) as first priority....yikes!
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3275...guardiola-always-looking-for-new?ICID=HP_BN_1
so basically, Pep is your quick fix for winning titles but not building a legacy?
so basically, Pep is your quick fix for winning titles but not building a legacy?
Absolutely.
However if we get Guardiola, I think that we should give him absolute power. He is already one of the best managers ever despite being 44, and is arguably the most wanted manager around, so he doesn't need to compromise. Van Gaal had to compromise but in his case, this was his last job and it was United or Spurs. In Guardiola's case, he can choose whatever team he wants, so I doubt that it will ever come to that. If we want him, give him whatever he wants and then he decides if he want to keep Giggs or not.
Saying that, if we get Pep (or some other manager), I can see Giggs leaving the club and trying to make his way up from some smaller club. Which in my opinion is the right thing to do.
I would have serious questions about him if he didnt.
I think it's absolutely vital giggs takes over at a smaller club and gain experience, we simply can't afford another managerial gamble of that size.
I'm all for Giggs myself and given the fact we've been told countless times from LVG, Giggs will be our next manager. Get used to it.
For now I think I'd rather keep LvG for longer just to fully prepare Ryan for the biggest pressure in football but Guardiola wouldn't damage us in any way with his experience from Barca & Bayern.
I really don't know what managing a small team will teach Giggs about potentially running Manchester united. Read Keane's latest biography, the standards and expectations of any team outside the elite vary so much that what he will 'learn' will have absolutely no impact on what would be required of him at Old Trafford. These clubs are full of journeymen and have sub par facilities and a serious lack of finances. Even if he manages to do well with one of these clubs that will not prepare him any better for managing United than all the years he spent at the club and his apprenticeship under SAF and LVG.
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