I don't want Rodgers at all, but you would have to say he's got a much better record in giving youth a chance. About as far as it goes for ticking more boxes for me.
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I think you're both missing the biggest tick box exercise for the board - doesn't fall out with his board / ownership.
Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers.
Doesn't stack up for me I'm afraid.
Would much prefer Conte. Serial winner.
Doesn't stack up for me I'm afraid.
Would much prefer Conte. Serial winner.
Hmm check out the Rodgers thread in the Football Forum if by any chance you haven’t. Unfortunately I haven’t found any specific comments to answer your query but there’s a good range of views there, including from both Pool and Leicester fans.
My family, who are Pool supporters, had a very poor opinion of Rodgers while he was there. They went so far as to say the title challenge was in spite of Rodgers and not because of him. Their views might have coloured mine, admittedly.
I think he's a good manager but Rodger comes across as an annoying character, which irrationally makes me not want him as our manager. There is part of me that also envisages him going to another big 6 side and not being all that worried he will win anything.
Conte on the other hand feels like a much better match to compete at the very top.
Conte on the other hand feels like a much better match to compete at the very top.
Exactly, and so we will carry on as we are – gunning for top 4 instead of the very top.
I guess Klopp also shouldn’t have taken over Liverpool since they were also a laughing stock back then? Maybe Conte/Tuchel shouldn’t have taken over Chelsea because they’re a managerial merry go round circus?
Don't be too misinformed
Rodgers has a €16m release clause in his contract he wouldn't be all that expensive, if we paid it he wouldn't need to "force" issues. Newcastle triggered it but he told them no. Utd is a bigger club so there's a bigger chance he'd want us if we paid the money
I don't think that's a tick in Rodgers favour. That's just a negative on Conte. It's like if you were doing a pro's and cons list about someone you want to have a realtionship with and put "doesn't cheat" as a pro.
The bottom line with Rodgers is that he wouldn’t seriously compete against Pep, Klopp, Tuchel. And beyond him Leicester are a well run club with their recruitment consistently excellent, United’s is sketchy at best.
If United see themselves as an elite club & have elite players then they need an elite manager - Conte.
If United see themselves as an elite club & have elite players then they need an elite manager - Conte.
Questioning the bolded players you're saying we should get rid of.
Surprised you didn't put Sancho in there as well!!
Presume you would also have put De Gea in there last season then?
Fred, Cavani, Shaw, Wan B and Maguire are all decent quality.
Answer is not getting rid of them when they are suddenly out of form or played with the wrong tactics.
That's a big pro for the board though and likely the sole reason they will not appoint Conte.
True, from the board's perspective, point taken.
Of course he’d jump at the chance to manage us, mid season or not. He left Celtic mid season when they were on course to secure a triple treble to join Leicester. The reason we’re underperforming is down to the coaching or lack of, I suspect if he were to arrive we’d see our results improve rather quickly.
It came across to me that he was countering the Mourinho mk2 narrative, not that he actually wrote that explicitly in the article. The things he brought up were…
- How his patterns of play are clear to see and the details in the coaching of attacking moves (Mourinho is said to do none)
- His flexibility with tactics and formations from 4-2-4, 3-4-3, 3-5-2. Quotes from quite a few players (Fabregas, Chiellini) on that
- The way he coached Pogba at Juventus and found a particular position for him. How after a difficult start with Eriksson he moved coached him to play deeper in midfield. He also points out that he rarely falls out with players, with Costa being an exception and someone who’d already been positioning to leave.
- The standard of fitness coaching and attention to diet and how that brought players on.
- Training methods teaching players multiple solutions in every area of the pitch. Lots of 11 v 11 training and walk through situations.
I think I'm seeing the light with Conte. I think he is the best coach we can get that is on the level of Klopp and Guardiola. I was initially worried about Conte coming and stinking up the place with underwhelming recruitment of players and leaving us to undergo another rebuild looking for "the United Way" when he is sacked
I don't really think that will be the case again. Conte's life span at clubs is 2 years on average and this squad doesn't require much recruitment for at least the next two years which gives Conte limited time to stink the place up with underwhelming incoming transfers
I don't really think that will be the case again. Conte's life span at clubs is 2 years on average and this squad doesn't require much recruitment for at least the next two years which gives Conte limited time to stink the place up with underwhelming incoming transfers
Cheers for the info mate.
WTF is this shit ? Liverpool almost won the league back then, and was a well drilled club. Klopp also mentioned he didnt want to take the United club because we didnt sound like a fotball club in his eyes. Chelsea are a proper driven club were the owners are football people who want to win. United are a brand who focus on making money. Stop being naive and think Rogders or Poch is realistic mid season.
Didnt know that, but it doesnt make it more realistic imo. No chance United will pay out both Solskajer and Rogers. Rogers is not a big enough name for United to use that kind of money on. Rogers turned down Newcastle because he was 100% commited to Leicester so i doubt United would change his mind in the current state.
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It'd be typical of this club to hire Rodgers.
One thing I'm conscious of is the fact that if David Moyes had not already failed as Man Utd manager, we'd currently be seeing him linked to United off the back of his West Ham work. British, hard-working, good values and has West Ham playing good football. What's not to like?
Some of the managers we'll be linked with are good, but good isn't good enough. And "good but not good enough" is my exact impression of Rodgers.
Seems to be a good coach but one FA cup from six years at Leicester & Liverpool combined while notably failing to secure top four finishes and win leagues doesn't scream to me that he's the best we can do.
Some of the managers we'll be linked with are good, but good isn't good enough. And "good but not good enough" is my exact impression of Rodgers.
Seems to be a good coach but one FA cup from six years at Leicester & Liverpool combined while notably failing to secure top four finishes and win leagues doesn't scream to me that he's the best we can do.
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I think we should get big Sam in, the only manager sure to save us from relegation at this rate
Don’t know if to cry or laugh about what you said about Moyes.
Please god no
This lifespan of 2 years is easy to say. What are the actual reasons he leaves after 2 years?
In all his jobs, he comes and delivers, then he wants to take the club to the next level, but the clubs don’t back him for what ever reason.
It’s not like a Mourhino where he didn’t deliver, but wanted to carry on spending money. Conte is very ambitious, is that really a bad thing ?
Desperately want to win the Prem …so it has to be Conte.
Must be why they went for LvG and Mourinho at the time..
I'm sure the intention was to get a great manager in, support financially and that's it
I don't think the issue would be us not spending money, it would be us not getting his priority targets. At which point you have exactly the sort of flashpoint with the board that sees him fall out.
For example, in Solskjaer's first transfer window he said Lukaku wouldn't be sold unless there was a replacement. But then he was sold, with no replacement. Then last year our priority signing (Sancho) dragged on all summer but ultimately we didn't get him for that season. That's two incidents from Solkjaer's reign alone that would immediately prompt aggravation from Conte, one suspects. Then add to that any ideas you have that VDB might not have been Solskjaer's first choice, or that he wanted a midfielder this year but we ultimately strengthened other positions instead.
After 3 years where main tactics was "desire, passion and improvisation", i am desperate to see tactician on the bench. Where i can look at my team and see the plan, to see patterns of play, to know that my manager will react during the game, to know that my manager has plan A,B,C and D, to know that my manager wants to win every single trophy, to see passion on the bench etc....
And that manager is Conte.
And that manager is Conte.
You could argue it was at some point, but that it isn't anymore – if you believe the reports that Mourinho put them off appointing a big name. You could also argue Ole was more like a Moyes appointment – a 'continuity' play who wouldn't rock the boat so much. Highlights to me that the structure of the club at ownership and business management level is all over the place. If it was a proper unit pulling in the same direction you wouldn't have to choose between the two extremes.
Personally, I'm far from convinced that sacking Solskjaer is anywhere near happening.
He has a lot of vocal support at boardroom level, apparently even recently being called a "phenomenal success"....?!?
As for the names we are being linked with, I think Zidane has zero interest, I would be surprised if Conte was deemed palatable to our board, Ten Haag would be seen as too much of a risk, as would Potter, Rodgers is possibly attainable, but I don't know if he would be a serious contender anyway.
Poch, is he even attainable or did that ship sail off three years ago..?
I don't know, I'm not yet convinced that United's board have anyone that they would even fancy for the job.
Just my thoughts, but I'm feeling it's just as likely that Solskjaer stays till the end of the season at least.
He has a lot of vocal support at boardroom level, apparently even recently being called a "phenomenal success"....?!?
As for the names we are being linked with, I think Zidane has zero interest, I would be surprised if Conte was deemed palatable to our board, Ten Haag would be seen as too much of a risk, as would Potter, Rodgers is possibly attainable, but I don't know if he would be a serious contender anyway.
Poch, is he even attainable or did that ship sail off three years ago..?
I don't know, I'm not yet convinced that United's board have anyone that they would even fancy for the job.
Just my thoughts, but I'm feeling it's just as likely that Solskjaer stays till the end of the season at least.
We are quickly taking Arsenal’s place as the “banter” club of the football world. If we get Rodgers, that will only get solidified.
Get a proper coach in. I don’t love Conte’s style but he’s a top, top coach who will help us compete. 2 years of him, and if he falls out with the board, by that time someone better than the other options right now will be available.
Get a proper coach in. I don’t love Conte’s style but he’s a top, top coach who will help us compete. 2 years of him, and if he falls out with the board, by that time someone better than the other options right now will be available.
Sorry for jumping in midway
But I couldn’t give a fck about youth over the next two years
i want us back up top challenging, and not getting spanked at home. We don’t have the luxury to worry about which manager promotes youth
I disagree, it would be a terrible decision.
Big Sam has no pedigree for a big club whatsoever - he's low end premier league/championship fodder. He's a relic
take time to identify right man? We've been trying and cocking that up for nearly a decade!
No it's justified if you look at how other clubs are run they do know change there managed every 3 to 4 seasons. Trouble there is do UTD go down that road. I'd take him to for 2 years go from there
Yup, at this point this board should just hire the man who they think isn't suited to be the manager.
Agree he would come to OT if he's approached. He was at Swansea when The scum were looking for a manager and his name was there or thereabouts, when he was asked in Swansea about the job, replied I haven't been approached for the vacancy, next thing they approached Swansea and he was off with £3 million or so in compo. He will come if UTD want him .
He's waiting for an Arsenal or United to approach him. They match his ambitions and ego. Let's hope Arsenal approach him first...
So from that list in the poll:
Zidane - all recent reports say he's not interested in United job, which is a shame, he'd maybe be best candidate for various reasons
Conte - available, would be ready to come immidately, impressive record wherever he's been so far, not so impressive in CL, one of best managers atm (top 10 for sure, top 5 maybe?)
Graham Potter - I actually voted for him but don't think it'll happen, he's been great so far but don't think we're hiring him and don't think we're hiring him in the middle of the season
Brendan Rodgers - obviously excellent coach, PL proven, think he is a serious candidate but under contract at Leicester and again, season is underway
Marco Rose - he's not coming after only 3/4 months at Dortmund
ten Hag - again a serious contender but not coming before season ends probably
Mancini, Enrique - they're not going anywhere before World Cup in Qatar ends
Pochettino - surely liked by our board, would come midseason, could be sacked by PSG at some point but don't think it'll happen now, maybe in February/March, depending on results in CL
Galtier - don't know much about him tbh but he only came to Nice in July, same thing as with Rose
Caretaker - we're not going with caretaker this team, it's too early and writing off this season would be stupid probably
At this moment, Conte is most obvious choice, while plenty of these names (Rodgers, ten Hag, Pochettino, Potter) would become available/easier to lure later. I think unless results improve massively and Ole stays bit longer, we'll go with Conte and he'll be our manager in 10-15 days from now. If we don't sack Ole for now, we may wait for Pochettino or even until the end of the season to get Rodgers or ten Hag for example.
Conte is free too of course. Not a situation where we're paying his current club anything, which is surely a big factor for our board, as they'll have to pay to Ole for rest of his contract. Spending on that + money to Leicester/Ajax wouldn't be small amount.
Zidane - all recent reports say he's not interested in United job, which is a shame, he'd maybe be best candidate for various reasons
Conte - available, would be ready to come immidately, impressive record wherever he's been so far, not so impressive in CL, one of best managers atm (top 10 for sure, top 5 maybe?)
Graham Potter - I actually voted for him but don't think it'll happen, he's been great so far but don't think we're hiring him and don't think we're hiring him in the middle of the season
Brendan Rodgers - obviously excellent coach, PL proven, think he is a serious candidate but under contract at Leicester and again, season is underway
Marco Rose - he's not coming after only 3/4 months at Dortmund
ten Hag - again a serious contender but not coming before season ends probably
Mancini, Enrique - they're not going anywhere before World Cup in Qatar ends
Pochettino - surely liked by our board, would come midseason, could be sacked by PSG at some point but don't think it'll happen now, maybe in February/March, depending on results in CL
Galtier - don't know much about him tbh but he only came to Nice in July, same thing as with Rose
Caretaker - we're not going with caretaker this team, it's too early and writing off this season would be stupid probably
At this moment, Conte is most obvious choice, while plenty of these names (Rodgers, ten Hag, Pochettino, Potter) would become available/easier to lure later. I think unless results improve massively and Ole stays bit longer, we'll go with Conte and he'll be our manager in 10-15 days from now. If we don't sack Ole for now, we may wait for Pochettino or even until the end of the season to get Rodgers or ten Hag for example.
Conte is free too of course. Not a situation where we're paying his current club anything, which is surely a big factor for our board, as they'll have to pay to Ole for rest of his contract. Spending on that + money to Leicester/Ajax wouldn't be small amount.
i went with caretaker not if any. if ole was to go. not too many managers want to leave a side mid season so it leaves you with little options. If we can get a manager in for rest of the season who could guarantee top 4 then move on (maybe Guus Hiddink or even wenger) then in summer get a long term manager who can put proper plan in place id be happy.
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