I can't believe in 2021 people still wanting Simeone. Truly baffling. I know they won the league, but its been a big no thanks for many many years as far as I'm concerned.
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I can't believe in 2021 people still wanting Simeone. Truly baffling. I know they won the league, but its been a big no thanks for many many years as far as I'm concerned.
No to Diego. He’s anti football. We’ve seen 8 years of this crap football.
Well, aside from the quote from his agent which said as much, he's only ever been linked with a move to Juventus (does his name ever come up when a big club is on the hunt for a new manager?). The quotes from his agent were fairly definitive, stating that Zidane has no interest managing in England due to stylistic differences. That doesn't suggest a man ambitious to take on the most competitive and high-profile league in the world.
I'd say Klopp falls pretty well in the middle, likewise the likes of Nagelsmann. Does anyone see it in such binary terms? The primary points I'm seeing are that people feel Zidane had a perfect setup in Madrid which obviously wouldn't be replicated here (as well as his heart possibly not being in it) and that Conte is abrasive and known to have very public spats, as well as typically playing 5 at the back and being short-termism in his signings. Both are legitimate concerns. There really isn't a right answer so there's a perfectly valid debate on both sides. We've had successive managers that have failed to implement any consistent identity or style, all the while our biggest rivals have done exactly that while winning the biggest honours in the process. It's surely little wonder people are clamoring for the same here.
It is indeed a bit too early speculate on the next manager. But there's no harm done if executive management begin evaluating options now. Problem is, can we really trust the same executive management team that gave us Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho to find the right successor to Ole?
This is the crux of it for me.
We’re talking about an exec team that’ve proven, repeatedly, that they are not capable of making even sensible - let alone successful - managerial appointments…
As much as it’s blatantly obvious that Ole isn’t a good coach at this level, I wouldn’t trust them to replace Ole with the right person AT THE RIGHT TIME.
They’ve shown time and time again that they’ll wait until the team has been dragged into toxicity and / or such dramatic levels of underperformance before pulling the trigger that when the new manager comes in, it’s a literal rescue job with inevitable ‘bounce’, but no calm period to instil a proper brand of footy.
It makes the job very difficult from the off. Whereas with clubs who have capable exec teams they’ll pull the trigger WAY before the team has sunk so relatively low, and they’ll also have the ability to make normal, sensible appointments.
Think of Lampard at Chelsea - given a chance, began failing - BANG, trigger pulled, Tuchel in.
Rodgers at Liverpool - finished 2nd, started losing ground, Klopp becomes available - BANG, trigger pulled.
Pellegrini at City - same process.
Utd’s exec team are simply not capable of doing this. They wait until the situation is utterly rotten, and then make a bad / surreal appointment.
This is WHY you have Ole as Utd manager in the first place!
So bizarrely, as crap as I think Ole is, and as easy as it think it would be for most football execs to make a simple and well suited upgrade to him, I simply do not trust the Utd board to be able of doing so.
In short - they’re worse at their jobs than Ole is at his.
Sorry but
This is absolutely my feeling too.
If and when Solskjaer does get the bullet, you just know in your water, that the appointment will be a wrong 'un, and the previous 8 years will be repeated all over again...
Tuchel at Dormund 68 wins and 17 defeats in 108 games, with a win percentage of 62.96%.
Tuchel at PSG 95 wins, 19 defeats in 127 games, with the best win percentage in Ligue 1 history (75.6%) and the highest average of points per game (2.37)
Tuchel at Chelsea - straight in and wins CL
Seems pretty good to me - and Spain is not always a three-horse race once you get past January...
delusional - Wenger (as much as it pains me to admit) transformed an entire club
Erik ten Hag
Sorry I didn't see you ask that... I was screaming on here for us to go for Pep and shouted loud when it became clear the board had advance notice of SAF's retirement and could have lined up Pep. But if you think Zidane is the new Pep, I'm afraid I think you are deluded
Did Ole manage in the CL at Molde or Cardiff?
Arsenal were perhaps the same level before and after he left them.
He had some good early years during his tenure with all the French players he brought in, but let's not pretend Arsenal were minnows before him
I hope you're right. Ed seems to be the type that's easily star struck though.Sorry but
Being realistic I think some names have been mentioned but how many are actually attainable. I think the likes of Mancini and Enrique are not leaving their national team until after the world cup. Zidane may be available now but does he want the job? Reports have said he's waiting for the France job after the world cup. Potter and Hassenhutl are other names mentioned but I doubt the club will consider them unless they make top 6 at least
I think realistically the club could end up looking at Ten Hag, Rodgers and Conte. Ten Hag will be my preferred choice. Rodgers will have to get top 5 again with Leicester and Conte will have to agree to our new transfer policy we developed under Ole for me to consider either of them over Ten Hag
I think realistically the club could end up looking at Ten Hag, Rodgers and Conte. Ten Hag will be my preferred choice. Rodgers will have to get top 5 again with Leicester and Conte will have to agree to our new transfer policy we developed under Ole for me to consider either of them over Ten Hag
Certainly seems like they are shooting from the hip. Instead of having certain targets they deal with it when the situation becomes unbearable.
It's not really the same process at all. Manager changed sure but the story behind them, the project involved and the planning is very different.
Lampard was always on borrowed time, it was fairly clear from the outset that it was a PR move to keep the fans onside while they dealt with the fall out of not being able to sign players for 15minutes, as soon are results weren't amazing and they had cart blanche to buy all round them again, he was screwed. Chelsea have been trigger happy on sacking a manager throughout Abramovichh's reign, the fact that it's netted two champions league is more luck than forethought.
Rogers had a decent run one year (got a 4 year contract) then fell off, arguably because they sold his best player 2 years running and replaced them with a coupla players that added up to the same value from Southampton. Admittedly Rodgers was on a downward trend and Klopp was still available after the summer, which was a bit insane, it was a good call but they largely accepted that a rebuild was on the cards and gave him 3 years or so before they were a competitive force again.
Pep to City, was a feathering of the nest that occured over many months, if not years, it's the only one that I'd consider planned out in advance. Once he was ready to come, it was done. Who knew if you get "the best manager of his generation" and spend the low low price of about a billion = success.
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I'm not sure Ole is the man long term, I understand it's not likely given what we've seen it's not nailed on that we'll win any trophies but I don't see anyone out there worth sacking him for.
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Back in 2015 Ole's Molde ended top of Group A in the Europa league, 4 points clear from third place Ajax. That group had Celtic and Fenerbahce in it as well.
Hansi Flick to replace Ole please. Ole wont be leaving for atleast another year possibly two- Flick just took over the German NT, so highly unlikely to happen, but heres hoping
I get the impression that Flick isn’t really that into club managment. He is 56 years old, and has been working in football for 25 years, yet has only spent 1 and a half seasons as a manager / trainer at the top level, and 5 years as trainer at regional league level. His other work has all been as assistant trainer and sporting director.
I think now he is in the ultimate job he wants to be in and will remain coach of Germany for quite a time and there is a good chance he will never work at club level again.
So Ole did not.
Ten Hag is a high presser, correct?
Nicky Butt
Ronaldo, like suggested Tim Sherwood
Unlikely. Of current NT managers who are good, Luis Enrique is the most likely one who we can actually attract and I think he’d do well.
Mancini and Flick won’t leave their jobs yet I think, and Barca are after Roberto Martinez but I am not personally convinced by him.
I know people want continuity, so if we want to continue not pressing and playing mostly on the counter, maybe Santos from Portugal?
Yes he is. Makes for funny conferences though.
I though Mourinio won the Champions league with a couple of clubs at least.
I though Mourinio won the Champions league with a couple of clubs at least.
And at the time it wasn't a bad appointment. Just because it ended up being mediocre (we still won a few small trophies which is better than current team) doesn't mean you should abandon the criteria for hiring a good manager.
We should get him, if he can manage to make us play like Ajax are playing now, great things can happen.
I don't know much about him but the Atalanta manager would have been good to see if we were a club with a little less pressure.
I know it's against the recent trend here but tbh I don't rate Tuchel. After seeing how PSG played against us, we met them four times I think and I was not impressed with Tuchel at all. His CL at Chelsea was really lucky if you look at how they ended up in the final. And how Pep fecked up.
I watched Chelsea against City the other day and imo we did a lot better against City in the last two seasons despite having a much weaker team than the current Chelsea. And the current City is not stronger than the City in the last two seasons, if not weaker.
We don't have a much weaker team than Chelsea, they're just coached better. But yes, tuchel does shit the bed sometimes. We can't have done much better VS city since the mini table has us at the bottom against top 6 sides. Granted the "counterattack" style ole had when he first got here does hurt city more than most other styles
Tbf Chelsea hardly even managed to counter attack City the other day. They played like they were hoping for a draw.
If you look at the top 6 mini table of season 2019 2020 we came second only two points after Liverpool.
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...-head-to-head-table-in-2019-20-liverpool-top/
The 2020 2021 was much tougher as the top teams now respected us more and didn't attack us much like in 2019 2020. While we were not strong enough to attack and score against them so we drew 0-0 a lot. We lost three matches against the top 6 of which one was against Spurs largely because of the Martial's red card. Another against Arsenal because of Pogba conceded a stupid penalty. The last one was against Liverpool.
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...-head-to-head-table-in-2019-20-liverpool-top/
And I think you've misunderstood a bit. I was talking about our squad the last two seasons not the current one. Especially season 2019-2020.
Certainly looks like the most interesting candidate that isn't at a big club at the moment.
Seriously though. Is there Anyone available right now who'd be an upgrade. Anyone but conte and Zidane.
A bag of flour with Fergie's face drawn on it would be an upgrade.
Conte for me
Doesn't have to be a free agent. Ole wasn't a free agent when we approached him.
I’m sure we’ve got enough money to at least get a proper photo, or maybe one of those life size cardboard cutouts
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