Even if he wasn't, as if someone in the club would be feeding Romano "yeah we want to check his English is up to scratch". The guy just jumps on any strong rumour and puts his own spin on it.
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Is it a coincidence that the players mentioned are all English? Just look at mancity, Liverpool and chelsea teams you can only see one or two English players. Even when manutd where dominating English players then where not playing because they are English, but because they are good enough to be starting. How many of our current crop of English players will make the manutd bench then? None.
You can add McTominay to that list.
Pochetinno is anything but a pushover. Why do you think so? If the players believe the same then they're in for a rude shock if he does get the managerial role. Perhaps Luke Shaw can enlighten them
Yeah it’s click bait really, just telling people what they want to hear! although I admit, I am a muppet myself once the transfer window opens, but it’s too soon for that
I think whoever we appoint, this needs to be a proper rebuild. By that I mean backing of the manager 100 percent for a 5 year period.
I like the idea of a cultural reset and bringing in a breed of player that wants the shirt and buys into the culture...but you can't do that over a couple of summers.
It would be lovely to think a new man comes in, clears the decks of who isn't good enough, who downs tools at the first suggestion of things becoming difficult or whom doesn't buy into a new regime 100 percent but you can't move out 8 or 9 and bring in another 5 or 6 in one swing.
Forget what we have spent assembling this team...I'd happily bring in at least one full back (prob 2), at least one centre back (maybe 2), two midfielders another winger and a striker...not for depth but to replace what is currently starting. That's before we get to depth and the bench. That's crazy when you put it into context.
The mismanagement is quite incredible and shows what happens when the ownership is not engaged, and has no great interest or knowledge of the game.
What's going to happen when the next manager, whoever it is, inevitably doesn't improve us after 18 months? You don't fix a decade of failure, incompetence and cultural chaos in a year. Problem is, patience is not in abundance and neither is trust from the support the club has enough competence internally to lead it.
I'd love RR to stay and be given control above a new manager. I also think we have to be ready for alot of short term pain and trust that if control is given to RR he can lay the foundations for long term success.
I love Manchester United but I hate everything about it which is a strange place to be..I hate the ownership, I hate how it's been organised, I find very little to like about the players tbh. I think they are a rabble of most of what's wrong with the modern footballer. Entitlement. I could be wrong of course, I don't know them or the changing room.
I think the manager has to be the type that's confident in their own convictions. I hate the word 'philosophy' but it does sort of ring true here.
The clearing of decks, as we have seen, is not always easy. Player power is so big these days mind. I'd love to think someone could come in with an iron fist, lay down ultimatums and tell anyone who isn't with the programme to feck off...but that approach most likely alienates a manager on day 1 and is a hell of a risk of the core group doesn't respond. Unless you want to cancel about 8 contracts, pay them off and lose them for nothing which is a nonsense.
We have alot of underperforming players on big contracts, who I'm not sure would command any sort of decent fee if they were to go onto the market in the summer.
I like the idea of a cultural reset and bringing in a breed of player that wants the shirt and buys into the culture...but you can't do that over a couple of summers.
It would be lovely to think a new man comes in, clears the decks of who isn't good enough, who downs tools at the first suggestion of things becoming difficult or whom doesn't buy into a new regime 100 percent but you can't move out 8 or 9 and bring in another 5 or 6 in one swing.
Forget what we have spent assembling this team...I'd happily bring in at least one full back (prob 2), at least one centre back (maybe 2), two midfielders another winger and a striker...not for depth but to replace what is currently starting. That's before we get to depth and the bench. That's crazy when you put it into context.
The mismanagement is quite incredible and shows what happens when the ownership is not engaged, and has no great interest or knowledge of the game.
What's going to happen when the next manager, whoever it is, inevitably doesn't improve us after 18 months? You don't fix a decade of failure, incompetence and cultural chaos in a year. Problem is, patience is not in abundance and neither is trust from the support the club has enough competence internally to lead it.
I'd love RR to stay and be given control above a new manager. I also think we have to be ready for alot of short term pain and trust that if control is given to RR he can lay the foundations for long term success.
I love Manchester United but I hate everything about it which is a strange place to be..I hate the ownership, I hate how it's been organised, I find very little to like about the players tbh. I think they are a rabble of most of what's wrong with the modern footballer. Entitlement. I could be wrong of course, I don't know them or the changing room.
I think the manager has to be the type that's confident in their own convictions. I hate the word 'philosophy' but it does sort of ring true here.
The clearing of decks, as we have seen, is not always easy. Player power is so big these days mind. I'd love to think someone could come in with an iron fist, lay down ultimatums and tell anyone who isn't with the programme to feck off...but that approach most likely alienates a manager on day 1 and is a hell of a risk of the core group doesn't respond. Unless you want to cancel about 8 contracts, pay them off and lose them for nothing which is a nonsense.
We have alot of underperforming players on big contracts, who I'm not sure would command any sort of decent fee if they were to go onto the market in the summer.
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Mate. You have said what most of us older Reds think.
I do think ETH is the right man to do a rest like Fergie did.
But will he be backed by this parasite board?
They are interested in Revenue generating signings like Ronaldo and renewing contracts for players like Martial to safeguard their 'investments'.
Personally I wont be holding my breath.
The club has been used like a whore by this board.
Mate. You have said what most of us older Reds think.
I do think ETH is the right man to do a rest like Fergie did.
But will he be backed by this parasite board?
They are interested in Revenue generating signings like Ronaldo and renewing contracts for players like Martial to safeguard their 'investments'.
Personally I wont be holding my breath.
The club has been used like a whore by this board.
Pochettino could speak good English by the time he left Spurs. Anyway, the point about English was moreso an add-on concern to him probably not having the respect of the players rather than a major point in its own right. Pochettino would probably have the respect of the players because they all know first-hand of the work he did at Spurs. Pochettino definitely isn't a pushover, he insists his team work extremely hard. His Southampton and Spurs teams were always among the furthest runners and most intense pressers in the league.
Pochettino will have won Ligue 1 on top of the French Cup he won last season if PSG keep him until the end of the season, so you can make this point about not winning anything for another couple months but he'll have won the French league in his 1st full season by then. ETH winning the Eridivisie twice (likely 3 times by end of the season, though they are only 2 points ahead of PSV) isn't really anymore impressive. The philosophy his team plays, reaching the semis of the CL (though Rangnick achieved a similarly impressive achievement with Schalke and the players don't seem to give 2 shits), and their performances in the CL group stage this season have been impressive. At the same time, Pochettino reached the final of the CL with Spurs, and as of now at least, they have the advantage in their tie with Real this season, who the vast majority expected them to lose to. Meanwhile, Ajax go into their 2nd leg with Benfica, who everyone would have expected them to beat, with no advantage.
Pochettino's experience handling big egos at PSG and seemingly having great relationships with the players would make him a safer choice imo. ETH might be able to handle the player personalities and the huge increase in pressure associated with managing a club like Utd, but it is a big risk based on absolutely nothing to this point. The idea that you can just show them the door simply isn't going to happen because you can't get rid of and replace that many players in such a short period of time, especially when the players are on the wages ours are. Nobody will buy them.
I would probably support Ten Haag and the club if they chose to do an Arteta at our club. Gut the current squad, sell anyone who doesn't fit into the vision that the manager and RR/Fletcher/Murtough have for us, and rebuild with youth players from the academy and promising, young players. I do believe the support will be there from most of our fanbase if we can see a clear vision as to what the manager is trying to do.
Isn't that what Ole tried to do?
Nope. Unless you consider Ronaldo a promising young player. Also Ole wasn't a particularly great manager so it doesn't matter what he was trying to try, it ended up as muddling along.
The trouble is he further bloated our squad by spunking obscene amounts on rubbish players like Maguire and AWB, while continuing to elevate underperformers like Rashford and McTominay. His whole managerial tenure was run on 'vibes' alone, it was a sham of a rebuild/'cultural reset'.
Cavani, Ronaldo, Maguire, Ighalo, Varane were not young players. These were players who were signed to be difference makers now, not as part of a plan for the future. The young players he did sign like Sancho, Pellestri and Amad he had no idea how to use. Also there was never a clear vision with respect to what Ole was trying to do. Fair play to him for making Greenwood a major part of the squad, shame how that went. McT was already a regular feature under Jose.
And ultimately Ole was not a good manager who didn't have any sort of record of doing anything of note outside of Norway to point to and say his "vision" was worth persevering with.
Winning the French league in PSG is nothing to write home about, you'd expect all of our post-SAF managerial failures to be able to do it with the squad and resources PSG have compared to the rest of the teams in that farmers league. And yet he still managed to bottle it in the first season (I know it wasn't a full season, but he was only 2 points off the top when he was appointed if I recall correctly). He's also got the worst win percentage out of all recent PSG managers including Emery and Blanc, and yet no one in their right mind would consider those two managers for the United role. Furthermore, comparing his PSG and Ten Hag's Ajax in the champions league is also an unfair comparison considering the respective strengths of each squad and the players they have at their disposal. PSG should be reaching the quarters/semis by default every season based on the players they have. Ajax seldom get far in the competition, and thats even if they manage to get out of the group stages - something they'd struggled with under previous managers. This season they topped off the group stages with a 100% record, something unprecedented for a Dutch side.
As I've said earlier, I couldn't care less which manager the players respect more. Almost none of our players deserve respect themselves for being entitled, overpaid, toxic little primadonnas. While I'm realistic enough to accept we won't get rid of all of them at once, I'd like to think over the course of a few seasons these players would have been replaced by hardworking, suitable players that fit the manager's vision and system.
Ajax were playing Benfica which is probably the worst team left in the R16. Everyone expected them to win the 1st leg so I think it's fair to criticise them not winning that game. You say winning the French league is nothing to write home about but neither is winning the Eredivisie with Ajax. Ajax have more money, a better academy and better players overall than any of the other teams. Pochettino didn't do any worse than Tuchel last season who is pretty much regarded universally as a great manager (rightfully so). The earlier teams that Tuchel, Emery and Blanc had were different teams. The current PSG team has different players and older players. Thiago Silva has proven at Chelsea he is still world class despite his age and he was a big loss. Di Maria at this age is nowhere near the level he was at in the past. Neymar's injury problems have gotten worse over time which doesn't help either. They had prime Cavani and Ibra before Tuchel came in. Yes they brought in these great players that look like they should make the team better on paper, but it doesn't always work like that. I think you can look at our summer for a very obvious example of that.
In any case, Pochettino's most impressive work was done at Spurs where he massively overachieved, and any suggestion otherwise is just ridiculous. Ok, he never won the league or the CL, but he shouldn't have even been competing on those fronts considering the comparative level of quality and finances of the teams around them. The only exception to that would be the season Leicester won, but that Leicester team was a freak occurrence that still had a few outstanding talents in Kante, Mahrez and Vardy who have gone on to show how excellent they are in the following years also. Poch still finished ahead of Pep's City and Klopp's Liverpool (on numerous occasions). Considering these are 2 of the best managers of all time that shouldn't be discounted. Reaching the CL final with that Spurs team was an incredible achievement too, especially considering most of that team were past their best at that stage.
I hope whoever comes in does well but I suspect whoever it is will struggle at first. I don't see how you fix our squad in less than 3 years. Considering the way our Board normally invests is normally 2-3 big stars in per season instead of spending less money to improve the squad with 6-7 incomings, I just don't see how it's possible unless they completely change their recruitment strategy. This would mean no Rice, etc. I think this was the season where things had to go right or else next season. Our squad is now getting old and all our squad players want to leave. We don't have any top talents coming through really. Elanga for all the heart he shows doesn't have the talent to be a massive star imo. There's nobody like a young Rashford coming through and our current Rashford doesn't seem interested in playing for us anymore for whatever reason. The Greenwood situation obviously made things way worse. From this summer it's likely that Sancho is the only one who will be here to see any sort of legitimate push for trophies. Hard to see any real positives unless there's a huge sudden uptick in players performances. I doubt most Utd fans will have any patience to accept more failure from a new manager either.
I don’t see Poch or ETH coming to manage a club outside of European football next season, I really don’t. I know our standing in world football but look at who has failed and how poor we are run - you aren’t going to risk your reputation for a potential crumbling giant trying to rebuild without structure other than achieving status.
If we finish 7/8 (most likely scenario at this time), then I think RR will stay on and continue his work. I’d be happy with this.
Anchelotti would be the wrong move (but he would come if out of work), as would Rodgers.
If we finish 7/8 (most likely scenario at this time), then I think RR will stay on and continue his work. I’d be happy with this.
Anchelotti would be the wrong move (but he would come if out of work), as would Rodgers.
I can't back this up with anything, but my guess would be that the average Dutch person under - say - sixty is more likely to be proficient in English than anyone in the world whose first language is not English (with the exception of people who are in practice bilingual).
Something similar is true for most of Northern Europe these days - but from personal experience, the Dutch stand out even in that context.
Imagine we can't get someone the players want to manage them because they are rubbish and cannot get into the CL.
I've seen your previous posts. You seem to be saying this on the basis of WANTING RR to stay rather than thinking he'll actually stay. Pochettino was willing to ditch PSG and a chance to win a first major trophy mid season to join Utd and it's been reported on so many numerous occasions both in England and Netherlands that ETH is keen on the Utd job which is still a massive draw and step up from the Eredevisie for ETH regardless of our league finish. Ralf has coached himself out of the permanent job with recent results and no top 4 finish
Also our previous managers were either not good enough(Ole and Moyes) or past it(LVG and Jose). Poch/ETH would be the first managers in their "prime" we'd be hiring post Fergie era
Still think so?
Just announce Ten Hag so i can forget this awful season and will have something to cheer me up.
Ha, my views have shifted somewhat.
Though in fairness of the players I specifically mentioned two are now definitely leaving in the summer, one has already been sent out on loan and one will never play for the club again. That along with other players like Lingard, VDB and Henderson all quite likely leaving. That wasn't the case back then.
For what it's worth I think United want Pochettino and are leaking Ten Hag being the favourite to force Pochs hand to jump at the job while its available.
See how it pans out. I'd be happy with Rangnick or Ten Hag aslong as they're allowed to make considerable changes to the squad. Rangnick knows what's needed the same way Jose did.
See how it pans out. I'd be happy with Rangnick or Ten Hag aslong as they're allowed to make considerable changes to the squad. Rangnick knows what's needed the same way Jose did.
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Yeah Dutch, Filipinos and some parts of Africa basically have English as joint first language. It’s very impressive. If you watch their tv the presents are always talking half English half their language
I’m suggesting than neither ETH or Poch will come to United if we aren’t in Europe next season. I’d personally love ETH as our next manager, I think under the right structure above he would be ideal, but will he come if we finish 8th? If we can’t get ETH or indeed Poch, I’d rather RR stay on. It’s not that I think he’s the best option, but in lieu of less appropriate managers because we can’t attract the best, then I’d be delighted if he stayed.
I’m not convinced Ten Haag wants the job, if he stays at Ajax and let’s his contract run down for remaining year another big job will come up.
Poch is a tough one as seems like he wants out but may cost a lot in compensation, we will be more and more desperate though so I still see him as the clear favourite. Wouldn’t be shocked if we end up with either Lopetegui or Hasenhuttl though, I really don’t trust the managerial search to be very extensive or well organised. Can easily see us being strung along by Poch and Ten Haag and getting neither.
Poch is a tough one as seems like he wants out but may cost a lot in compensation, we will be more and more desperate though so I still see him as the clear favourite. Wouldn’t be shocked if we end up with either Lopetegui or Hasenhuttl though, I really don’t trust the managerial search to be very extensive or well organised. Can easily see us being strung along by Poch and Ten Haag and getting neither.
I think thats about the gist of it, we have players who would hate to have a new manager who, heavens to Betsy, shouted at them! I would love Roy Keanne to take over if ETH isnt available; Keanne may not be the most astute manager around but he would put the fear of God into the prima donnas currently posing as United players.
Very good post
Poch is definitely a much more safe choice than ETH.Which manager United choose likely tell us which strategy the club go for: 1. A long term rebuild (again) not demanding or expecting titles the next two years, or 2. Get United back in the good company as fast as possible (next season or the season thereafter).
Alternative 1 = United go for ETH.
Alternative 2 = United go for Poch.
I think United have learned their lessons. No one is patient in this game. United can’t afford to sit quite in the boat in order to harvest the fruits in 3-4y. United can’t take that risk again: ending up with nothing.
United is crazy if the go for alternative 1: a long term rebuild, and as long as we progress bla bla…. The new manager will never have working peace. Players, supporters and everyone will start complaining if United have a bad spell or doesn’t get results already next season. I don’t think ETH is the best choice if we want results quickly, and I don’t think he survives if he doesn’t fix things pretty fast. Poch will probably be more impatient himself and have a great hunger for quick results.
I want us to go all in and do as many big quick fixes as fast as possible and take it from there. Yes… I know I’ve changed my mind from earlier posts
Nobody is going to fix this quicklyVery good post
Which manager United choose likely tell us which strategy the club go for: 1. A long term rebuild (again) not demanding or expecting titles the next two years, or 2. Get United back in the good company as fast as possible (next season or the season thereafter).
Alternative 1 = United go for ETH.
Alternative 2 = United go for Poch.
I think United have learned their lessons. No one is patient in this game. United can’t afford to sit quite in the boat in order to harvest the fruits in 3-4y. United can’t take that risk again: ending up with nothing.
United is crazy if the go for alternative 1: a long term rebuild, and as long as we progress bla bla…. The new manager will never have working peace. Players, supporters and everyone will start complaining if United have a bad spell or doesn’t get results already next season. I don’t think ETH is the best choice if we want results quickly, and I don’t think he survives if he doesn’t fix things pretty fast. Poch will probably be more impatient himself and have a great hunger for quick results.
I want us to go all in and do as many big quick fixes as fast as possible and take it from there. Yes… I know I’ve changed my mind from earlier posts
Never say never
New manager
A bunch of players out
4-5 players in
New season
=
New start with clean sheets.
Surely the last 10 years has shown you quick fixes are not going to workNever say never
New manager
A bunch of players out
4-5 players in
New season
=
New start with clean sheets.
Don't get your hopes up lads. I know exactly how this will pan out.
Benitez will be United manager.
Benitez will be United manager.
People wanting a quick fix have seemingly learnt nothing. I'd rather have a painful season next year where I can see the progress than some rush job quick fix that brings short time brightness, but long term just puts us back in the dirt quicker.
Conte joined Chelsea after they finished 10th. City were a whisker away from having Pep managing them in the EL if we had a bit more luck in 15/16 with LVG European Football will not play much if any a factor with managers maybe players. Not getting ETH at this point would be a shocking and monumental cock up of epic proportions. He's keen on the job(as per talk in England and Netherlands), has a low release clause, has Ajax's blessing to leave and ETH himself has said he's ready for a step up it's an open goal compared to Poch whom PSG will play hard ball over
I wouldn't say quick fix, but thats pretty much what Liverpool did. Klopp came in midseason and didn't sign anyone until the summer, and cleared out a lot of deadwood.
Completely disagree, we’re selling a longer term project than just next season and let’s face it, we can pay as well as anyone. I think both are attainable even though I desperately do not want a serial loser in Poch.
Recent weeks have shown that keeping Ralf isn’t an option, he’s been here over 3 months and we’re getting worse.
Honestly, I'll settle for either Poch or ETH. But personally I am leaning toward ETH more and I'll tell you why.
1. ETH is a newer manager (with less time in the limelight) and he might relish the challenge of managing in the PL and United. Poch on the other hand has managed in the PL, and a big club like PSG. I doubt whether he will be inspired enough to take United to the top.
2. ETH plays a very modern style of football which is something we have missed out on over the years. If you look at the likes of Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, etc. Their brand of football is quite "modern". We need a manager who is tactically shrewd and can win games just by how they are set up to play. I feel this is something ETH is capable of given his experience with Pep and Ajax. We hired LvG whose style was extremely old fashioned. We hired Mourinho who was past his prime.
3. We need a big and wholesale change to our strategy and tactics. What really is the difference between Ole and Poch? To me, Poch is an upgraded and superior version of Ole. But will his brand of football actually change the way we are playing? Or is it going to be more of the same? This why Poch to me feels like more of the same, but maybe slightly better. Don't think that will be good enough to get where we want to go in the long run.
1. ETH is a newer manager (with less time in the limelight) and he might relish the challenge of managing in the PL and United. Poch on the other hand has managed in the PL, and a big club like PSG. I doubt whether he will be inspired enough to take United to the top.
2. ETH plays a very modern style of football which is something we have missed out on over the years. If you look at the likes of Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, etc. Their brand of football is quite "modern". We need a manager who is tactically shrewd and can win games just by how they are set up to play. I feel this is something ETH is capable of given his experience with Pep and Ajax. We hired LvG whose style was extremely old fashioned. We hired Mourinho who was past his prime.
3. We need a big and wholesale change to our strategy and tactics. What really is the difference between Ole and Poch? To me, Poch is an upgraded and superior version of Ole. But will his brand of football actually change the way we are playing? Or is it going to be more of the same? This why Poch to me feels like more of the same, but maybe slightly better. Don't think that will be good enough to get where we want to go in the long run.
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Which is exactly the opposite of what the OP is suggesting, Klopp took 3/4 seasons to win anything.
Hmm ok, I interpreted fix as something else, as in we are a broken club. I would be okay with finishing 4th if we played happy, attractive football and looking on the up again.
Actually Pochettino is two years younger than Ten Hag.
Edited. I meant he is newer, and bit of an unknown entity.
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