We should base our decision on not if it's an interim or not but on the fact is he doing a good job or not.
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My biggest worry with ETH would be that the football he prefer is very circumstantial and not suited to any of the players in our squad. A bit like van Gaal. I'm also vary the difference between Ajax and Man Utd, and Eredivise and Premier League.
I'm really, really impressed by Graham Potter, and he would probably be my first choice. Their style is not that different, but Potters approach can be pragmatic and he knows the PL very well. Young too.
I'm really, really impressed by Graham Potter, and he would probably be my first choice. Their style is not that different, but Potters approach can be pragmatic and he knows the PL very well. Young too.
"Doesn't suit the players we have" cannot be an argument. Most of this squad will be replaced, or should be replaced, by the start of season 2023/2024 with players that fit the manager's vision and have what it takes to rise to the top. That is 2 summer and 1 winter transfers seasons. More than enough. Which is how a proper football club would go about it.
When I see clowns like Merson saying what should the club do (sack Ragnick right away) I just laugh.
That’s true. Stuff like he can’t work with Maguire, CR7 or Shaw talk is just a bonus at this point.
I think that is a very optimistic view. We will not buy more than ten players within the start of 23/24. My guess is that we will buy eight. Maybe.
That is what I think makes Klopp time at Liverpool so great and made him able to succeed. He was able to work with a group of players that is quite different from the one he has today (and is probably more aligned with how he prefer to play). We need someone who can make it work with this squad, and then gradually change/upgrade it.
If ETH came in and tried to play "Ajax-football" at Man Utd, with our squad, in the PL it would not look good. Even if we buy three-four new players this summer.
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Ten Hag or bust.
Enrique won't leave Spain, but he'd be a fine choice as well.
I'd rather take the risk on Potter than employ Poch. His time at PSG has been heavily uninspiring.
Enrique won't leave Spain, but he'd be a fine choice as well.
I'd rather take the risk on Potter than employ Poch. His time at PSG has been heavily uninspiring.
Yup my thoughts as well, i'd also rather take a punt on Gallardo than Poch.
ten Hag is already 52, he's too old.
ETH may or may not succeed at United but if you do bit of research on him it would make it clear he isn't somebody who need everything to be perfectly in order to make it work , if you have some spare time just go through this reddit post it might address some of your concern about him.
I've read that article before. And it sounds good! But it still is Eredivise and FC Utrecht. Louis van Gaal won the Eredivise with AZ. Dick Advocaat and John van den Brom have a higher points per match with FC Utrecht than ETH. Maybe they owe that to the job ETH did. Or maybe the management at FC Utrecht is a lot better these days and all three of them got to work in a good "environment".
Dont get me wrong, I would be very excited about ETH too. I just dont think we should get too carried away and pretend that there will not be any risk with him. There is no way to be sure that his approach will work in the PL or at a higher level.
Good systems always improves average players. They don't necessarily need to fit it perfectly to get an advantage out of it. We have plenty of players who would be able to fit into and play their role in the system. Sancho, Fred, McT, Shaw, Varane, Van de Beek, Martial, Bruno, Dalot, AWB, probably Rashford, Telles - are all players that would probably excell in such a system - most of these are way better and more versatile than anything Ajax have been playing with.
It could also be much easier for a more limited defender like Maguirre to focus on what he's best at in a system that doesn't demand too much from him. All in all a systems manager like Ten Hag could very well make our squad look a hell of a lot better than it is now, with a handful likely to look like world beaters.
The thing that makes me more optimistic about Ten Hag than previous managers from the Dutch league is that the system he coaches is both incredibly effective at getting results in the Champions League and makes bang on average players look really good.
The more I think about it, the more i think Poch would be another one on his way out of OT in 2-3 years. No pedigree at all and his "fame" seems to be based on Spurs playing nice attacking football in a handful of games.
At the moment, for me, it's Ten Hag or Enrique unless the club is clever enough to interview 4-5 and they find someone better who we haven't thought about. I wouldn't be overly upset if it was Marco Rose. I don't understand the people here saying someone in their fifties is too old for the job. SF was in his early fifties when he won his first PL.
I can't make my mind up about Potter, other than he too hasn't won anything and his time could still come at a later date...
At the moment, for me, it's Ten Hag or Enrique unless the club is clever enough to interview 4-5 and they find someone better who we haven't thought about. I wouldn't be overly upset if it was Marco Rose. I don't understand the people here saying someone in their fifties is too old for the job. SF was in his early fifties when he won his first PL.
I can't make my mind up about Potter, other than he too hasn't won anything and his time could still come at a later date...
Completely agree. The more time passes the more I'm Ten Hag or bust. Previously I thought he would be inclined to stay at Ajax for another season and look for better opportunities next year, but now that Overmars is gone he will want to make the jump. I mean, this is just perfect. There aren't many other options available. Nagelsmann, Flick, Enrique, Conte are all unavailable. We need a new manager and Ten Hag needs a new club. A sign from the fates, if you will. I think it's pretty telling where we stand as a football club when Poch is our priority instead and it's Joel Glazer who favors him. Shocking incompetence once again, but hardly surprising. Poch is just more of the last 10 years.
Enrique and it's not even close. Also Enrique is a bit of a prick and would get rid of the drama whores currently playing for us.
In terms of Poch, I really hope the club are not fecking crazy to appoint the guy, especially after the PSG stint.
Pep, Jose and Zidane have skewed people’s opinions on manager age and what they should have achieved by a certain age I think. Good point that SAF was in his early 50s when he won his first PL. I didn’t know that.
Sir Alex won the Cup Winners Cup for Aberdeen and was the last manager to break the old firm axis in Scotland. Ferguson done a lot before United
Great article. Thank for posting.
I think we ought to seriously look at tempting Diego Simeone away from Atletico Madrid if we can.
He's proved his ability to build teams, and maintain a high level of performance over a long period of time. And lord knows a bunch of our players need kicks up their backsides - which he is not afraid to provide.
He's proved his ability to build teams, and maintain a high level of performance over a long period of time. And lord knows a bunch of our players need kicks up their backsides - which he is not afraid to provide.
His style of play is horrendous though and will not fly here
I know he did that I just wasn’t sure what age he was when he won his first league with us
I don't have anything against Poch or Ten Hag and would be happy if either took the job as long as he has a clear idea of what he wants. But I'm amused by posters saying that appointing one or the other would doom us. We are far beyond doom. I doubt that the next manager would make us contenders the next 2-3 years. But I'm sure Poch or Ten Hag will take us forward if they're given time. Then again, even Potter, Hassenhütl or other from the league would as well.
Is it really horrendous, though?
Defending deep and compact is not a bad thing, and quick counter-attacks was a huge part of SAF's teams. His teams also counter-press high up the pitch usually.
More importantly, he will instill a team-spirit in our team, and a cohesiveness in our play - which I believe is the need of the hour.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...0/diego-simeone-italy-catania-atletico-madrid has some interesting quotes from Simeone about formations and tactics. He seems to be a pretty adaptable manager, making the best of what he has at his disposal...
But maybe others can chime in.
We have allowed negative/defensive/counter attacking football at the club for the last 8 years. These are tactic used by teams with low budget to get maximum results out of their limited squad. In contrast, we have been doing this with the highest spending in the world for the last decade. RM, Barca, Bayern won't even allow negative football for 1 season let alone 8 years while spending close to 1 bil. Thanks to Ed!
Hopefully, under Arnold we can be more sensible having actual plan on modern style of play and change of manager to ensure smooth transition. Anyone of ETH, Poch, Potter, Hassenhuttl are a step in the right direction. They may not be Klopp or Pep, but nevertheless the right direction. Keep going this direction, one day we may hit the jackpot like Pool with Klopp.
Hopefully, under Arnold we can be more sensible having actual plan on modern style of play and change of manager to ensure smooth transition. Anyone of ETH, Poch, Potter, Hassenhuttl are a step in the right direction. They may not be Klopp or Pep, but nevertheless the right direction. Keep going this direction, one day we may hit the jackpot like Pool with Klopp.
Do that and you can forget about telling the world that attacking football is part of the ''Man Utd Way/DNA''.
Maybe we should get Beckham to present him at his appointment press conference?
Do not want Simeone, both because of his style of football, personality and history with us.
Poch is a serial Bottler - Finished 3rd in a 2 horse race with Spurs and with that squad should of won the league the season Leicester did
- Finished 2nd in a 1 horse race last year with PSG bottled a cup final and his only trophy is the French Community shield - yes he is gonna win the league but so did Unai Emery shall we appoint him
ETH - Has won the league at Ajax every season bar the Covid cancelled season
- Took them to the champions league semi final while dismantling Juventus & Real Madrid along the way and was a couple of minutes away from a champions league final
- Has rebuilt that Ajax team with young talented players and shaped them and statistically is better than that Semi final side with a far less talented group of players
ETH would be my choice clear obvious style of play is 2nd to only Klopps Liverpool in pressing stats in the Champions league, yes he might not of had to deal with egos but then if Poch is such a great Man manager then why did his Spurs team throw him under the bus and why are PSG looking to bin him off.
- Finished 2nd in a 1 horse race last year with PSG bottled a cup final and his only trophy is the French Community shield - yes he is gonna win the league but so did Unai Emery shall we appoint him
ETH - Has won the league at Ajax every season bar the Covid cancelled season
- Took them to the champions league semi final while dismantling Juventus & Real Madrid along the way and was a couple of minutes away from a champions league final
- Has rebuilt that Ajax team with young talented players and shaped them and statistically is better than that Semi final side with a far less talented group of players
ETH would be my choice clear obvious style of play is 2nd to only Klopps Liverpool in pressing stats in the Champions league, yes he might not of had to deal with egos but then if Poch is such a great Man manager then why did his Spurs team throw him under the bus and why are PSG looking to bin him off.
That's almost Kelllyanne Conway levels of brazenness in this line of argument, I give you that much
I forgot, against whom did he lose that semi final, can you remind me?
That's almost Kelllyanne Conway levels of brazenness in this line of argument, I give you that much
I forgot, against whom did he lose that semi final, can you remind me?
Ha yeah that made me laugh that he ignored which manager knocked them out.
Haven't had chance to watch as I'm in work, but what source are Stretford Paddock quoting when they run the ten Hag agreement reached story?
Klopp is 54 and Pep is 51. SAF was around 45 when he joined us so your comment makes no sense.
Poch but who won the Champions league that year?That's almost Kelllyanne Conway levels of brazenness in this line of argument, I give you that much
I forgot, against whom did he lose that semi final, can you remind me?
That how far we've dropped accepting the runner up as a successful successor, got potted not long after
Going by your logic, you can find problems with every manager's resume. "Guardiola? Nah, not fit for United. He hasn't done anything outside of the best club in the league. Klopp? Nah, not good enough for United. He's only been at small or struggling clubs. Can he withstand United's pressure? Probably not". It's insane. There's no guarantee that Ten Hag will succeed here, nor that any manager would. We can only judge by what he's showcased so far as a manager and that has been very, very impressive. The way his mind works, the way he sets up his teams to play, his philosophy, etc are all what we need to go back to the top.
That's almost Kelllyanne Conway levels of brazenness in this line of argument, I give you that much
I forgot, against whom did he lose that semi final, can you remind me?
Funny thing is they call Poch a bottler and not ETH for a more egregious bottle job after being well and truly up and lost at home in the semi final.
Also to blame Poch solely for last season at PSG and then not give him credit for his 1st full season is pure Caf
Hansi Flick was 54 when he was appointed Bayern's head coach. And if I'm nor mistaken, it was his first big job as a head coach.
But he was just an interim solution at first. He wouldn’t have gotten the job if he hadn't already been at the club. So while I agree that age in itself is not a blocker, Flick isn't a great example to prove rhis due to the special circumstances around his appointment.
Flick is a good example because he was 54 years old and was part of Kovac's backroom staff and hadn't been a head coach at a big club before. So Flick from assistant to interim to head coach, without having much experience as a head coach, is a very good example imo. And proves that coaching talent is there even at the age of 54, it just needs to be given a chance.
Ten Hag on the other hand has been showing his worth at the highest level for several years now and is far more proven than when Flick got the gig at Bayern at 54 years old.
Flick is not a good example, generally speaking, because he's an exception, his complete lack of previous team management jobs is somewhat misleading when you realize that he's worked closely with most of Bayern's spine during the NT's most successful years.
But the age thing is nonsense anyway.
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