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I think you are being a tad unfair, you say we go for resale value but I think it's a policy designed to ensure that we have a core that's here for a long time and we can't sustainably buy a key player every season. You don't want a situation where you have several positions up for upgrades/replacements every season it's just not sustainable. I think we are aiming for stability and financial sustainability in an increasingly inflated market.
It's 100% guaranteed that we will never sell Maguire for anything approaching ⅔ of the fee we paid for him or AWB for a fee close to what we invested in him. I doubt if we buy our players for resale, we buy them for longevity.
Are you actually this clueless. Our manager decides who to buy and he prioritized everything over midfield. It's certainly is his fault. Every squad has weaknesses anyways so ole doesn't get excuses when other clubs don't give it to their managers. He'd be fired at any other club besides arsenal
Zidane is the dream choice, we already have 2 of the key players of the Real 3-peat side, just get the manager too!
Liverpool got to a CL final with Henderson and Can as DMs, Milner at LB and KARIUS as his GK
McFred as limited as they are aren't significantly or any worse than those pairings or players individually we've gotten some big wins with them and have actually lost very few games with them in midfield despite their flaws. We have a lot of quality in other areas to play good football and show we can challenge for trophies
Only for Rodgers to fail horribly at Man Utd and Potter has Leicester in the top four.
I think with a better manager they could make better of our midfield. Because they'd plan round it, they'd make a system that works. Ole plays things as if our midfield is good, when it isn't.
If that's true then he deserves to be sacked. But my reading is that he is only one voice. Certainly Jose desperately wanted to buy a particular central defender who was available and was told no. And then there's the whole VDB thing. So I don't really buy the idea that the manager controls transfers. The money men do.
Honestly think that McFred is a lot worse. But putting that aside, Liverpool has a brilliant coach who can disguise such weaknesses and we don't. So unless you have a super talented alternative to Ole up your sleeve (in which case I'm all in) then we have to fix the problem we can fix.
I'm not saying it is a bad policy or that there are not exceptions made. But overall it is nevertheless the policy. It just makes it more difficult to compete with the two English clubs that do not have the same restraints because they are not primarily commercial ventures but rather PR ventures for their unsavoury but insanely wealthy owners. In that context finishing second is a huge win.
Scholes was 38 and Carrick was as fast as Matic is the last time we won the league
Thing is that we have outspent both Chelsea and City in certain seasons they have just been more effective in getting value for money because they have better coaches and are not afraid to make changes when it's not working. And they also follow the tenets of our policy of buying young upcoming players.
We allowed Van Gaal and Moyes to overstay and I am afraid we will do the same with Ole. Ole will be tricky for the Glazers because he generally turns it around when he is under pressure and has built a squad strong enough to achieve top four. What's needed is clear judgment and quick and bold action because we have a top four side but are running it on a Championship winner's budget.
For a bunch of MBAs and CAs the Glazers and Woodward are clueless in this regard beyond belief.
Yes I don't disagree with what you're saying but managers of Potters status to a big club isn't common at all and is a risk. Can they handle the pressure or players egos? Barcelona tries it a number of times with Valerde, Setien etc and failed.
He won't be a puppet like Ole is.
This is also true. Your analysis and mine are not mutually inconsistent. The key thing is that City have spent far more over time and have made their purchases with football success as their primary objective. Chelsea vary with the whims of their owner. LIverpool got lucky with Klopp and will collapse back into mediocrity when he leaves or loses his mojo.
All these names giving me ptsd 
Ten Hag - Another Dutch that loves possession and patterns only for it to translate to a bore fest?
Conte - Another drama queen like Mourinho that makes the most underwhelming transfers targets?
Potter - Another Moyes where the step up is too much for him?
Zidane - Another Ole that is criticised for relying on individual brilliance?
Or maybe they are just better versions of our previous managers
Ten Hag - Another Dutch that loves possession and patterns only for it to translate to a bore fest?
Conte - Another drama queen like Mourinho that makes the most underwhelming transfers targets?
Potter - Another Moyes where the step up is too much for him?
Zidane - Another Ole that is criticised for relying on individual brilliance?
Or maybe they are just better versions of our previous managers
The thing with Barcelona is that Messi was hiding a lot of their flaws, that team didn't effectively replace Xavi, Puyol, Pique and Iniesta so it wasn't good enough to match their aspirations. The only world class players that they had since 2015 were Messi and Suarez so you can't objectively judge their manager amid a sea of unmitigated incompetence by their board.
For what's its worth, I don't have Potter as my number one target but should we find ourselves looking for a manager and we fail to attract Ten Hag or Rose I would certainly consider him. I think we need someone on the up not someone living on past glories no matter how illustrious.
The risk is that we aren't too far away from the likes of Spurs, Leicester and Arsenal. A good managerial appointment by either of the London clubs and they could be right back in it so it's incumbent upon us to solve our own managerial issue and snap up one of the upcoming managers ourselves.
Well we pulled Scholes out of retirement and played Cleverly way too much during SAF’s final years and still won stuff.
Got you. I wouldn't worry about Arsenal or Spurs making good appointments
None of those names would be good for us. Some short term wouldn’t work, some long term wouldn’t work. I can’t see any of those suggested appointments working out and leaving us in a better place once they’re goneAll these names giving me ptsd
Ten Hag - Another Dutch that loves possession and patterns only for it to translate to a bore fest?
Conte - Another drama queen like Mourinho that makes the most underwhelming transfers targets?
Potter - Another Moyes where the step up is too much for him?
Zidane - Another Ole that is criticised for relying on individual brilliance?
Or maybe they are just better versions of our previous managers
All these names giving me ptsd
Ten Hag - Another Dutch that loves possession and patterns only for it to translate to a bore fest?
Conte - Another drama queen like Mourinho that makes the most underwhelming transfers targets?
Potter - Another Moyes where the step up is too much for him?
Zidane - Another Ole that is criticised for relying on individual brilliance?
Or maybe they are just better versions of our previous managers
The winner of the EPL and the UCL finalists are these days mostly playing a very organised and successful high press. Do any of those names do that? And how many of our players could do that anyway? It just goes a lot deeper than throwing names around.
All these names giving me ptsd
Ten Hag - Another Dutch that loves possession and patterns only for it to translate to a bore fest?
Conte - Another drama queen like Mourinho that makes the most underwhelming transfers targets?
Potter - Another Moyes where the step up is too much for him?
Ten Hag - loves possession but isn't past his best and retiring in 3 years like LVG.
Conte - A proven winner who is still winning. Unlike Mourinho who we hired at the lowest ebb of his career.
Potter - Has a team of very mediocre players playing exciting football. Nothing like the over-cautious 'lump it to Fellaini' football Moyes had Everton playing.
Not saying they're necessarily right for us but they're all a far cry from LVG, Mourinho and Moyes.
\Ten Hag could just be another De Boer. Or..... shudder..... Villa Boas
People comparing Ole to Zidane is making my brain ache. Actually ache. If Zidane is the French Ole, why isn't Ole doing what Zidane did? Yes our squad isn't Real level, I'm not saying we should be winning the CL three years in a row, but its much better than the slop we're sadly seeing far too often.
If and when there is a new manager, he will have problems to resolve all over the pitch:
Goalkeeper
Right back
Central defence
Central midfield
Pogba
Right wing
Striker
It's not a case of this being a ready made squad that just needs the right manager.
Goalkeeper
Right back
Central defence
Central midfield
Pogba
Right wing
Striker
It's not a case of this being a ready made squad that just needs the right manager.
Got you. I wouldn't worry about Arsenal or Spurs making good appointments
they could fluke one just like Spurs had that perfect storm of a couple of good young players and Pochettino. There was no method but they had a good five year run and with Kane and Son they are always one good appointment away from becoming a threat. Arsenal, however, are knee deep in shite to threaten anytime soon.All these names giving me ptsd
Ten Hag - Another Dutch that loves possession and patterns only for it to translate to a bore fest?
Conte - Another drama queen like Mourinho that makes the most underwhelming transfers targets?
Potter - Another Moyes where the step up is too much for him?
Zidane - Another Ole that is criticised for relying on individual brilliance?
Or maybe they are just better versions of our previous managers
Sorry but all these comparisons are very lazy and kind of pointless.
The issue is that we shouldn't be scared of making the wrong call, almost every club does it. If appointing managers was easy then everyone would be on top, it's a gamble but I don't think it's reason enough to persist with an underachieving manager. Bayern were considering him, Chelsea appointed Villas Boas but they didn't get relegated when it went tits up they actually won their first CL after sacking him.
It seems to me that people want us to be like Chelsea. No clear direction, no clear identity, just ruthless consistent spending and constant switching of managers the moment they inevitably hit a rough patch. With 4 major trophies in the last 10 years it has worked out for them, but I do think that these stats flatter their methods.
CL 2012:
A prime example of cup madness. They finished 6th in the league and shithoused their way to a CL trophy. The caretaker manager who achieved this didn't survive for long.
Conte and Mourinho's PL trophies:
Both came during what can only be described as a dark age of English football. Post Fergie and before Klopp and Pep's good teams. An era where Spurs and Leicester were genuine top teams and Van Gaal tried to win games by boring the opponent to death.
CL 2021:
Fair play. They played well but they also had a very underrated team.
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Overall, I don't think Chelsea's model is a good one, personally. Liverpool has simply been fortunate to get Klopp, who's clearly special. City is City. No magic behind their methods.
CL 2012:
A prime example of cup madness. They finished 6th in the league and shithoused their way to a CL trophy. The caretaker manager who achieved this didn't survive for long.
Conte and Mourinho's PL trophies:
Both came during what can only be described as a dark age of English football. Post Fergie and before Klopp and Pep's good teams. An era where Spurs and Leicester were genuine top teams and Van Gaal tried to win games by boring the opponent to death.
CL 2021:
Fair play. They played well but they also had a very underrated team.
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Overall, I don't think Chelsea's model is a good one, personally. Liverpool has simply been fortunate to get Klopp, who's clearly special. City is City. No magic behind their methods.
I never said it - but does anyone remember nuno mendes's name getting mentioned about before?
Well said. A lot of people on here appear to think Ole is totally responsible for all our woes but I believe we still have glaring problems in the squad. I could highlight them here but it would take a long time. I admit not everything is right with Ole’s decision making but I don’t think ANY manager could walk into OT and just transform this team. All the talk about how wonderful Fergie was is irrelevant because some of the teams challenging now were rubbish in most of Fergies time.
Looks like Poch has dropped off the list of potential United managers. I still think he'd he a great fit for us if we could get him away from PSG.
The team has issues but save for Bayern who in European football hasn't? The trick is that you don't wait for a perfect team or time to compete and you don't wait for the ideal player or set of circumstances either.
Take Chelsea for example, wasnt Joginho on his way out during Lampard's Era, didn't they have issues with Weiner not settling well and had to sign Thiago Silva on free to plug defensive hole? Tuchel came in and instantly transformed them and won the CL despite their issues.
Liverpool got to a CL final with Karius in goal, Milner at leftback etc. The bottom line is they still competed and I have no problem with competing and failing to win, it happens as no one has a God given right to win.
Ive been Ole in from start to now, but you'd have to feel we would be missing a trick by not tempting Zidane's next destination, as I've previously said, I feel Ole has done a good job in getting United back to a steady level but job description has indeed changed, this calibre of squad needs to be challenging the top honours at the very least.
Ole has signed a right back, 2 centre backs, a CM, 1 (not counting Amad or Pellistri) right winger and 2 strikers. The fact that these could still be seen as problem positions says even more about Ole’s decision making as recruitment is one of the few aspects he gets praised for.
Personally I’ve always found it a bit unwarranted as once Ron and Edi go which shouldn’t be in too long we’ll need a new 80m striker unless Greenwood has completed the step up.
We’ll probably sign a new RB as we have already began pursuing targets as AWB clearly isnt good enough going forward, funnily enough Ole seems to be desperate for Tripper who, in my opinion is not only not good enough but would also need replacing in the near future.
VDB is a weird weird situation in which we needed a DM and instead signed an AM who never plays.
So I dont know, Bruno and Maguire are the two signings i can assuredly say have been fully successful and i guess Cavani but thats mainly due to the fact that he wasnt even signed for the first team and so any contribution he makes is a bonus.
Not counting the window just gone as it is too soon to say.
One title with Cleverly in midfield I believe and that was very much putting Rooney in midfield and RVP doing the damage
I suppose with a class player like Rooney, SAF knew he could play in a variety of positions and still be brilliant there
All these names giving me ptsd
Ten Hag - Another Dutch that loves possession and patterns only for it to translate to a bore fest?
Conte - Another drama queen like Mourinho that makes the most underwhelming transfers targets?
Potter - Another Moyes where the step up is too much for him?
Zidane - Another Ole that is criticised for relying on individual brilliance?
Or maybe they are just better versions of our previous managers
You could literally say the same thing about pep, klopp, and tuchel. It's like you guys are afraid or something. Of course all managers have some drawbacks but our current one can't even coach so it'll be an easy improvement
And we had Carrick who had his best season back then.
I’m not on board with having this conversation after two weeks of wretched performances and results, but if pressed to name who — among those who are available — should succeed Ole I’d have to go with Zidane. He’s won major trophies as a manager and of course as a player and he knows Ronaldo and Varane.
Zidane would be no sure thing, but no one is.
Zidane would be no sure thing, but no one is.
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