Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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Rolaholic said:


Ragnick until the summer while they work on bringing in Ten Hag or Poch after the season would be ideal
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We announced from outset we intended to go for interim manager. How then is going for an interim manager us “left scrambling”?
 
Just think Poch' is benefitting from a lot of hype, and I, personally, am interested to see how he manages this PSG team. They have fabulous sqaud, decent fan base, located in a terrific city. He also has cash to spend.

And he wants to leave??

This concerns me, greatly. I think he feels he can manage the Premiership, and maybe out of his depth at PSG. I would like to see some guts from him, dig in and deliver something at PSG. Then leave.

The PSG fans like him too, he played there btw. I just need to be convinced of the of Pochettino today, not the one at Spurs a few years ago.

And we have time to consider matters, and we should take that time.
 
Just get an interim in until the end of the season then get Poch in. At least if he joins us in the Summer he will have won something by then. In the meantime, this squad is more than capable of top 4 and winning something even with a Carrick-shaped rocket up their arse. Someone like Valverde could nicely steady the ship and have things looking very different come the new year.
 
Jeffthered said:
Just think Poch' is benefitting from a lot of hype, and I, personally, am interested to see how he manages this PSG team. They have fabulous sqaud, decent fan base, located in a terrific city. He also has cash to spend.

And he wants to leave??

This concerns me, greatly. I think he feels he can manage the Premiership, and maybe out of his depth at PSG. I would like to see some guts from him, dig in and deliver something at PSG. Then leave.

The PSG fans like him too, he played there btw. I just need to be convinced of the of Pochettino today, not the one at Spurs a few years ago.

And we have time to consider matters, and we should take that time.
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What he doesn't have at PSG is much control though. Obviously we don't give managers total control either but I think we give them a lot more than PSG.
 
Zidane is literally playing the role of that love interest that turned you down but will also actively sabotage you with your 'second pick'.

Just say yes to PSG, Zizou, so we can stop being shit, please.
 
CanadianUtd said:
Poch hasn’t been able to evolve a whole lot more and his best managerial moments were years ago with Spurs. Not saying he’s terrible but it doesn’t cut it for me and a lot of others. He hasn’t been able to duplicate the window of sustained success he did at Tottenham in that 1 stretch since. Can’t win the big games and has underwhelming records against the best managers.

this is Ligue1 you’re talking about. That’s not the litmus test for PSG, the CL is against other top clubs that don’t exist in France. And it’s common knowledge that they haven’t looked all that great there with word of players being unhappy leaking out.

Comparing Ajax vs Spurs squads is unfair wouldn’t you say? I’m not aware of that statistic but looking at the table, 13GP 9W 3D 1L…Ajax 9/13 times had a lead going into half time which means a lot more often than not, they’ve won the game before the 2nd half begins. As for the non-victories, 0-0 at half time means 1L in 4 matches which is supposed to somehow be terrible? Ajax have allowed just 2 goals against thus far this season. The next closest team has allowed 13. Ajax’s goal differential is so big that no other clubs goals for match their goals differential in the league, which is an utterly absurd statistic. Let’s just please not try to downplay the madness to Ten Hag’s magic because what he’s doing is truly special.

Potentially but I believe he’s more fluid and adaptable than Poch. Look no further than Ajax’s moving pieces the past couple years. He’s still managing at this crazy high level despite the club losing their best players over that time. And as I mentioned before about Poch, he has a history of not being on the same page with the board which effects him and leaks into the squad. Whereas Ten Hag gets the job done with much more limited resources at a club like Ajax showing that a potential lack of backing or funding would give the benefit to him logically speaking.

…I’ll be fully happy with Poch if it becomes known United exhausted their options for other/better candidates and they couldn’t make it work. Otherwise will be just another misstep and flaw in the the ways of which United operate. Never proactive — always reactive.
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Mate that was a lot. But appreciate the response.

I think both are good managers. I’m more pro Ten Hag but at the same time I’m convinced he’s perfect as compared to a Poch who fits right in with what we have now.

Also it can’t be overlooked however you put it that he’s doing well in a league where he should be dominating. That’s abit different when coming into the Prem. Put it this way if Ten Hag replaced Pep and we had Poch, I’d be very confident we could finish above them.
 
The people who are hoping the Poch now move doesn't happen in hope of us pursuing Ten Hag in the summer are in for a rude awakening. It's quite clear that Poch is United's first target and if they can't get him now, they'll wait for him until the summer and get him then. This idea that United would just leave a target they've admired for years to pursuit the hottest commodity on the Caf at the time is hilarious to me.
 
Might as well get Ten Hag if we have to wait until the end of the season.
 
Rolaholic said:


So of course it devolves into a dick swinging contest :lol:





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I think they will all try there best to make eachother look good. I think a loss to City today would work in our favour.

The way the leaks are happening, talks must be on going. If Poch request to leave PSG save money don’t they?
 
Rangnick as interim, then position in the club, then Ten Hag in the summer. Perfect!
 
DOTA said:
What he doesn't have at PSG is much control though. Obviously we don't give managers total control either but I think we give them a lot more than PSG.
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But.. he has a superb squad, a superb club, in a superb city, loads of cash, and it's a club that he is familier with?

And he isn't happy? And what control does he want that he doesn't have? He doesn't need anymore players ffs'... I don't understand some of these managers. Look at Moyes at West Ham.. that's a manager working with players.

As you stated, I doubt very much that he will have total control at Man Utd. The Club is simply too vast, and isn't structured that way. Not many of the really big sporting organisations (Football and otherwise) operate that way. Manager's have to acknowledge that, enjoy the benefits (because they do not do all this for free..) and compete and try and deliver.

I just sense it's all '...Poch with open arms, he's our guy, we always wanted him anyway...' yet I'm not quite convinced on what he will be able to do, in the Premiership, now.

Let him have another (full) season at PSG, and then let's assess things.
 
Jeffthered said:
Just think Poch' is benefitting from a lot of hype, and I, personally, am interested to see how he manages this PSG team. They have fabulous sqaud, decent fan base, located in a terrific city. He also has cash to spend.

And he wants to leave??

This concerns me, greatly. I think he feels he can manage the Premiership, and maybe out of his depth at PSG. I would like to see some guts from him, dig in and deliver something at PSG. Then leave.

The PSG fans like him too, he played there btw. I just need to be convinced of the of Pochettino today, not the one at Spurs a few years ago.

And we have time to consider matters, and we should take that time.
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Only United fans could turn him wanting to join us into a negative.

Go and listen to his comments about England on MNF a few years back. He absolutely loves the country. His family still live there.

Lots of managers have spoken out about their difficulties with PSG. Tuchel did exactly the same.

In an interview with La Gazzetta dello Sport’s Sportweek (via Canal Supporters), the Italian media outlet wrote that Tuchel was annoyed of managing the family’s of his superstar players. Furthermore, the Chelsea boss elaborated on the differences between PSG and the Premier League side.

The 48-year-old says that at times he felt more like a minister of sport than a football manager. Tuchel further elaborates how it’s easier to coach that superstar players on his Chelsea squad.

“PSG and Chelsea are at odds at the organizational level. During his first months in Paris, he had to manage the families and friends of his stars (…) Thomas Tuchel was more a Minister of Sports than a trainer,” Sportsweek wrote.

“It’s easier to train Romelu Lukaku than Kylian Mbappé or Neymar. In Chelsea, where everything is more fluid, he can apply his work methodology with more serenity.”
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Other things with PSG:
  • They are judged entirely on a few knockout games, which is evident from your own post as you're waiting for him to "deliver" in a season where he's dropped less points than we have in our last two games.
  • They are forced to succeed with certain players playing. I'm pretty sure Poch couldn't bench any of that front three if he wanted to.
  • Very limited say in transfers and squad make up - Leonardo his very difficult to work with and will impose his ideas on the manager. Forced out Thiago Silva against Tuchel's wishes
Then you factor in Poch's love of England, his experiences in the league and the fact that there's been a mutual interest with United for some time, it's no wonder he'd want to come here. Some people are so desperate to knock Poch but this is honestly a new low. He wants to come here to it must be because of his own insecurities. :lol:
 
So of course it devolves into a *ck swinging contest :lol:

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psg did exactly this with mbappe when they rejected £190m for him with 12 months on his contract. So this doesn’t surprise me
 
We need to stick with Carrick, trust the process and keep the United DNA in place. He is already supported by an excellent coaching staff.
 
Sounds like Poch needs to push for a move. I also think PSG will regard Zidane as an upgrade on Poch so not sure why they wouldn't want to make the switch.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
If we go with Rangnick I'm convinced that Murtaugh has decided that this is the transition to Ten Hag in the summer. 100%.
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Because they adopt a similar footballing philosophy and way of playing?
 
kps88 said:
Sounds like Poch needs to push for a move. I also think PSG will regard Zidane as an upgrade on Poch so not sure why they wouldn't want to make the switch.
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Optics, they're as PR wary and aware as United are so they don't want to be looked at as a smaller club if they allow their manager to leave a ridiculously star studded squad with limitless resources to join another club midseason.

If ZZ has any reservations about joining them midseason, there's no other good way they'd be able to save face if Poch left for United
 
I do hope we're not tunnel visioned with just trying to get Poch. If he can't come immediately, then we should be scoping out other candidates for the summer too. I'd like Poch, but he's not that good for us to be throwing everything at him and him alone.

Bring Ragnick in now, and then talk to Ten Hag as well as Poch, and decide who's the best fit for us come the summer after some due diligence.

(Also please let it be Ten Hag).
 
Hoof The Ball said:
If we go with Rangnick I'm convinced that Murtaugh has decided that this is the transition to Ten Hag in the summer. 100%.
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I don't think it matters to be honest, we'll just try again for Poch in the summer when he's sacked/allowed to leave. The board has a massive hard on for him. They'll wait.
 
If Poch cannot implement his style with PSG because he doesnt have the required players, wouldnt he run into the same problem at United? Would that mean we will play shit football until he can "rebuild" the squad again?
 
Rolaholic said:
Optics, they're as PR weary and aware as United so they don't want to be looked at as a smaller club if they allow their manager to leave a star studded squad with limitless resources to join another club midseason.

If ZZ has any reservations about joining midseason, there's no other good way they'd be able to save face if Poch left for United
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Yeah it all depends on Zidane. If he is willing to join them then they can easily spin it as they magnanimously agreed to let Poch go because they were getting an upgrade in Zidane.
 
Jeez people would have turned down Tuchel because of his PSG stint. Poch's is 11 points ahead in novemeber and on pace to walk the league. Would require a massive massive reach to use his ligue 1 stint against him. I actually just looked up PSG's position because I don't follow the league and the thread legit had me thinking he was 3rd or something.

If his team is performing this well while managing chemistry problems I'd like to see what good chemistry looks like under him. Must be an amazing ceiling potential. The negativity spin being put on their situation is something else.
 
I’d still take Conte. Unfortunately we’d have to pay some compo to Spurs now - we should have instead got him weeks ago but that’s who I’d go for. Would be very embarrassing for them actually.
 
Zidane for me. Most successful manager of the past 5 years in the entire world. We have players he has already won with, who trust him (Verane, Ronaldo). Pogba idolises him as do everyone else. imagine the atmosphere in the dressing room when a legend like Zidane walks in who all the players idolose and the fact they know he actually wins the biggest prizes as a manager as well. many of our players have never been lead by someone with his trophy haul so they will listen keenly. He is the smaller risk than someone like Brendan or Poch who are unproven at this level. That said he may not even want the job..............
 
I did think PSG were being a little too complicit in letting their manager go! The whole world makes sense again :lol:
 
Hoof The Ball said:
If we go with Rangnick I'm convinced that Murtaugh has decided that this is the transition to Ten Hag in the summer. 100%.
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Rangick is the brainfather of gegenpressing with both Klopp and Tuchel heavily inspired by his ideas. Since Ten Hag is a Pep/Cruyff disciple it would seem more fitting to get a coach who can start to prime the squad for those kinds of principles like Favre or Valverde to an extent. @Adnan is probably better than me at explaining this.
 
That is why United announced the appointment of an interim. Everyone knew they would not let their manager go mid season.
I wonder if this was all created by the media for clicks.
 
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