Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%
  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%
  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%
  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%

  • Total voters
    1,534
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It is fair though and Ligue 1 is a one horse race wether you like it or not.
He drew against St. Etienne (total value of squad: 90M) and Rennes (total value: 182M) and lost against Lorient (total value: 52M), Monaco (total value: 331M), Nantes (total value: 83M) and Lille (total value: 242M).
He took over 1 point behind the the league leaders and couldn't catch them in 22 games with a squad worth 891M (#2 in the world)

None of the teams 19 other teams in Ligue 1 would get top 10 in the PL. The least valuable squad in the PL is worth 130M, Ligue 1 has 13 squads worth 90M or less and none of the other 6 squads are worth more than Wolves (ranked #10 in PL)

You have to win the the french league with that squad, that is the absolute minimum....even when you have only 22 games to get 1 whole point more than your rivals :p
Maybe it is too much to ask of a "world class" manager, but I disagree....

I think we can agree on the fact that he has not gotten the most out of that PSG-squad and there is nothing that suggests he would suddely start winning trophies if he comes here.
Wow. Do you watch a lot of ligue 1? Just curious.
 
I thought the reason we didn't want Conte was his crap style of football, now we are about to appoint another pragmatic bore only we are going to pay £10M to do it and unlike Conte he's not even won anything of note.
Nothing is supposed to make sense when you're ran by clueless buffoons
 
The PSG fans on reddit really hate Poch :lol:


They should hate their club set up given that the likes of Blanc, Emery and Tuchel have all had the same complaints over the years and the latter 2 are genuinely good managers...
 
Poch, they seem really interested in Zidane, at least the ones I've come across.

Yeah, there was a PSG fan on Flex's stream this morning and he was saying their fanbase is happy enough for him to go as the football is shite and there's no sense of style or identity and his stubborn refusal to make substitutions is infuriating, also said that there are issues with Leonardo behind the scenes that haven't helped the atmosphere but doesn't explain the garbage being served up on the pitch.
 
You are effectively judging two different teams. Mourinho didn't get the "over-achieving" version, he got the version without Trippier, Wanyama, Dembélé, Eriksen, prime Alderweireld, prime Lloris and prime Vertonghen. As someone suggested earlier, the paradox of Pochettino's tenure at Tottenham is that he didn't leave much behind mainly because their transfer dealings have been underwhelming which didn't allow continuity at a high level.

There is a bit of that and I don't mean to represent it as a definitive judgment by any means but I do think it'll be interesting to see how long it takes them to get back to where they were under Pochettino.

I'm not sure Mourinho will ever get the "over-achieving" version of anyone anymore and if Poch had been allowed rejuvenate the side when he wanted to then things might have been different.
 
Yeah, there was a PSG fan on Flex's stream this morning and he was saying their fanbase is happy enough for him to go as the football is shite and there's no sense of style or identity and his stubborn refusal to make substitutions is infuriating, also said that there are issues with Leonardo behind the scenes that haven't helped the atmosphere but doesn't explain the garbage being served up on the pitch.

Oh my.....
Sounds so alike someone who left earlier....

SOS please.
 
Would Zidane really go to PSG? I'll believe it when I see it. Just weeks ago he was saying he still has a connection to Marseille and will always have. A weird turn of events.
 
Not many teams go toe to toe with Liverpool and live to tell the tale, even peps City are normally quite reserved against them especially early on. Many teams have been swatted aside inside 20 minutes (including us and city) taking on Klopps Liverpool in a fool Hardy manner.

A good manager knows how and when to employ more pragmatic tactics from time to time. You can't always be gung ho all the time you have to willing to sit in a low block in certain periods when your playing certain sides. Otherwise you get turned over.
Yeah, I agree. But I think you understand what I mean. Of course you have to play to your strengths and match them up with your opponent's weaknesses. You need to be smart. But I'd prefer not to have to play like Burnley.
 
Come on stop talking nonsense, you have other teams in Ligue 1 who have reached UCL finals, semis and quarters. You are being incredibly ridiculous. Squad value does not = squad quality especially with the PL tax included.
Do you watch the league?
I only watch French teams in Europe.

I agree that Squad value does not = squad quality 100%, but it paints a picture of how unbalanced Ligue 1 is.

If you judge French football on their merits in Europe the last 3 years, it's really underwhelming:

Take away PSG's last 3 runs in the CL: round of 16, semi and final.

EL merits since 18/19 season from French teams:
1 x round of 16
1 x round of 32
4 x not out of groupstage

CL merits since 18/19 season from French teams other than PSG:
1 x semi (Lyon got out of their group with 8 points, 3 points behind Leipzig)
1 x round of 16 (Lyon got out of their group with 8 points, 5 points behind Manchester City)
4 x last in group (no EL)

English teams:

EL since 18/19:
3 x final
2 x semi
1 x quarter final
1 x round of 16
1 x round of 32
No English teams have been knocked out in group stages

CL since 18/19:
3 x final
4 x quarter final
3 x round of 16
1 x 3rd in group stage (we got 3rd with 9 points)

There is a reason why the Portugues League has been ranked above Ligue 1 in 2 of the last 5 years.

If PSG doesn't win that league, it must be concidered a failure. There is no way of getting around it.
 
Could we have the above poll reset? Remove a few of the options too (Rose/Galtier/Mancini/Enrique).

Would be interesting to see how many are keen on Pochettino vs Ten Hag/others.

Personally, given the cretins running the club, Poch is the best we're gonna get - not that I'm unhappy with him, I think he's got a great chance to do well.

In an ideal world, Ten Hag plus a new structure above him would be amazing - but it's a fantasy. Never going to happen.
 
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Could've had him for free besides his wages at any point before last winter if the club was serious about him but they do love to burn money
 
Poch fits the bill. Young, done a good job everywhere he’s been, attractive football, bringing through young players, proven in England.

The only major issue is the lack of honours. If we were to get him in the Summer he’d at least have won the French league. I know this does nothing to enhance his actual credentials but the psychology of it seems to matter, and as great as his Spurs team were they were very much nearly-men.
Yeah, nearly men when in the natural order of things they should've been no way near men. They beat City, beat Ajax from 3-0 down at half time, yet he's called a bottler. He far exceeded his resources at Spurs and engineered minor miracles at that club, that was ruled with an iron fist by Levy. I agree though it would be nice for him to win something just to shut everyone up. Sadly, it won't though will it. Ligue 1 is considered to be easier to win than a Sunday League for some people. But at least he will have it for himself. Plus, he's got a genuine chance at the Champions League this year. Pretty incredible if he decided to throw that away to join us now. Says a lot about how he sees us a club.I'm sure after all these reports he'll come out and deny everything though during the press conferences. Here's hoping not.
 
In an ideal world, Ten Hag plus a new structure above him would be amazing - but it's a fantasy. Never going to happen.
Don't even think you need a poll reset to confirm this is probably what the vast majority of fans want. But as you said, yeah it's not happening, unfortunately.
 
Yeah, there was a PSG fan on Flex's stream this morning and he was saying their fanbase is happy enough for him to go as the football is shite and there's no sense of style or identity and his stubborn refusal to make substitutions is infuriating, also said that there are issues with Leonardo behind the scenes that haven't helped the atmosphere but doesn't explain the garbage being served up on the pitch.

Sounds familiar :nervous:
 
If Poch is still here in two years time he’s done a lot better than I expected. Still I’ll back him totally and hope everything I think about him is very wrong.
 
I'd never heard of him before the Liverpool game. But I knew Ajax were a mini version of what every fan wants their club to be. But that's clearly down to the the whole club structure and culture which he can't really bring with him.
Ajax prioritise football but are a superbly run business. We prioritise business and are terribly run football club. We are the anti Ajax.I feel like for Ten Hag to succeed here we would have to totally transform our structure. Literally turn it upside down and shake all the shit out. And there's a lot of shit. It seems like we have 5 people in a position where 1 would do. And none of those 5 are as good as that 1. Similar to our midfield. I would love Rangnick to come here just to shake everything up and start to fix things. But that's never gonna happen as long as Special Ed sits here with all his cronies.
 


Could've had him for free besides his wages at any point before last winter if the club was serious about him but they do love to burn money

So £16+m it'll have cost us to change managers and the backroom staff. If only we'd have done what we said we'd do prior to appointing Ole permanently and doing our due diligence before hiring a manager, we'd have saved a lot of money.
In terms of transfers £16+m isn't a lot of money, but if we had that money to spend on infrastructure such as the stadium and training ground, we'd have seen vast improvements. So it's not just the incompetent decisions which are effecting on-field matters.
 
I only watch French teams in Europe.

I agree that Squad value does not = squad quality 100%, but it paints a picture of how unbalanced Ligue 1 is.

If you judge French football on their merits in Europe the last 3 years, it's really underwhelming:

Take away PSG's last 3 runs in the CL: round of 16, semi and final.

EL merits since 18/19 season from French teams:
1 x round of 16
1 x round of 32
4 x not out of groupstage

CL merits since 18/19 season from French teams other than PSG:
1 x semi (Lyon got out of their group with 8 points, 3 points behind Leipzig)
1 x round of 16 (Lyon got out of their group with 8 points, 5 points behind Manchester City)
4 x last in group (no EL)

English teams:

EL since 18/19:
3 x final
2 x semi
1 x quarter final
1 x round of 16
1 x round of 32
No English teams have been knocked out in group stages

CL since 18/19:
3 x final
4 x quarter final
3 x round of 16
1 x 3rd in group stage (we got 3rd with 9 points)

There is a reason why the Portugues League has been ranked above Ligue 1 in 2 of the last 5 years.

If PSG doesn't win that league, it must be concidered a failure. There is no way of getting around it.

The funny thing is this, since you don't know the league, you made that silly mistake. It's because Ligue 1 is a balanced league and one of the most balanced league that you don't see consistency in Europe. There is a larger turnover of teams and it doesn't allow for experience at continental level, deep teams or concentration of wealth which is why teams generally focus on the league, particularly when it comes to EL. And that's how for example you get Lille and Lyon being midtable teams this season.
 
The bigger question is do we have the setup for Poch to succeed either? Sure he will do better than Ole but to win stuff? Despite the Glazers?
I think maybe so, but it will take time to move on the players who won't fit a high press. DdG and Ronaldo in particular.
Was there not a point where we were the hardest working team in the league under Ole? I vaguely remember that but I could be off. I know we were the least hard working this year with Spurs. But I thought after the first season he turned it around. There was a point where we could press. Then it all fell apart and he seemed to give up. Not sure why that was.
 
Yep, defensive structure will be much better but the football will remain tumescent and his in-game management is poor, this was evident at Spurs.
Did Spurs not used to play some really great attacking free-flowing football? That's what I remember anyway.
 
Was there not a point where we were the hardest working team in the league under Ole? I vaguely remember that but I could be off. I know we were the least hard working this year with Spurs. But I thought after the first season he turned it around. There was a point where we could press. Then it all fell apart and he seemed to give up. Not sure why that was.

I always laugh when Ole says he wants a team full of running and desire and when you look at the stats, there we are in 20th place or whatever for running.
 
Did Spurs not used to play some really great attacking free-flowing football? That's what I remember anyway.

No, their game was built on their defensive scheme. Basically press high and aggressively which created opportunities to score goals off turnovers against a disorganized defense.
 
I always laugh when Ole says he wants a team full of running and desire and when you look at the stats, there we are in 20th place or whatever for running.
Yup, terrible. Part of that is probably due to us being absolutely static off the ball though too. I find it amazing how we never seem to have changed that. Even a simple thing like playing the ball in front of the player so they can run onto it seems beyond us at times.
 
No, their game was built on their defensive scheme. Basically press high and aggressively which created opportunities to score goals off turnovers against a disorganized defense.

Sorry disagree. Poch has always been known as an attacking coach.
 
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