At the end of season yes. But why now? He has nailed league trophy and at least one cup. And journos saying that he would come now. No way.
I wish i am wrong. Poch is my no1 choice
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I wish i am wrong. Poch is my no1 choice
I just want us to appoint Ten Hag so much because the whole unknown element of him is exciting, however there is also another part of me that's always been intrigued to see what Pochettino could do with this team as well. Will at least be able to enjoy the game tomorrow more than the previous month even though I know it's the same coaching staff involved
His signings in the last 5 years have been a shitshow.
Not much to shout about at Southampton either.
Add to the fact that he calls himself a hands-off manager who likes to let players express themselves, instead of working within the bounds of a specific system, and I see almost nothing to be enthused about.
Not much to shout about at Southampton either.
Add to the fact that he calls himself a hands-off manager who likes to let players express themselves, instead of working within the bounds of a specific system, and I see almost nothing to be enthused about.
Hopefully not. If we can get Poch now, just get it done.
Yeah that is a very valid point and he's used to having a proper structure above him in place which he won't get here
This can go for pretty much any manager but for Poch in particular signings would be absolutely crucial. The midfield needs an overhaul. If he could bring in two proper centre mids and get a solid striker in I would be curious to see what he could achieve.
Whatever manager comes in I hope you all pray he gets the signings right while also shipping away all the mediocre ones who just take up the wage bill. If the new manager comes in and keeps playing the likes of McTominay and Fred in the middle of the park while solely relying on the likes of Martial Rashford and Greenwood up front we are doomed either way. I'm counting on Edi and CR to be done by next season anyway.
Whoever comes in cannot feck up and ignore the midfield. It needs to be solved.
Whatever manager comes in I hope you all pray he gets the signings right while also shipping away all the mediocre ones who just take up the wage bill. If the new manager comes in and keeps playing the likes of McTominay and Fred in the middle of the park while solely relying on the likes of Martial Rashford and Greenwood up front we are doomed either way. I'm counting on Edi and CR to be done by next season anyway.
Whoever comes in cannot feck up and ignore the midfield. It needs to be solved.
I believe Spurs had only qualified for the Champions League once in their history before he took over. He took them from that to the final, with that in mind it is insane to call him a bottler based on that. I believe that is the point he was making.
£10m compensation to get Poch from PSG.
Tuchel says it will be difficult for a manager to come in now and not at the end of the season.
Clearly has his own agenda in that comment.
Tuchel says it will be difficult for a manager to come in now and not at the end of the season.
Clearly has his own agenda in that comment.
Would be good to have an actual coach at the club for once.
Most important thing is handling these prima-donas at the club who thinks tbey are bigger than UTD, we need someone to keep those egos in check and kick them out if they dont work their scoks-off.
Zizou is perfectly positioned to do that.I wish we get him
Zizou is perfectly positioned to do that.I wish we get him
If I were Pochettino I would wait till our Villareal game before telling PSG he would like to leave. If we go out of the CL, he would be wise to stay at PSG and try and win the CL this year.
It's going to be Poch, and I'll back him. But I think he won't do well here. I'd rather Ten Hag and the potential for some deep rooted change he would bring.
Yes we don’t need a tactical coach who can get the players believing in their way of playing. We just need an ego manager… sure… ok
A new manager, coaching staff a certain Dutch centre half and a certain West ham midfielder and then we can GO AGAIN.
Yeah it’s just a mess, everything that has happened has been predictable. yeah I agree some one like Ancellotti would have been perfect at the time of Fergie leaving, he would also be pretty goood shout now, as he is a manager who is very good at tailoring his tactics to the players he has.
Problem is you can’t trust anyone in the hierarchy to look at the situation asses what needs to change and enact that change.
Your own manager lost 4-0 v Klopp last season over two legs. They were terrible in both games. He also lost 5-0 v Ole.
Didn't stop you hiring him and rightly so. He deserved his chance at Bayern despite never having won a trophy and some disappointing results in the CL.
Same with Poch. We should give him a go or Ten Hag. Who else is there?
But we don't even know if he'll come at the end of the season, and we know he won't come now. It sounds like Poch will come now, and if the choice is between that and waiting to see if Ten Hag chooses to come in the summer, which is by no means guaranteed (is it even likely?), I think it's very clear what the safest bet is.
From what I can tell, Ten Hag has never expressed any interest in coming here. If he moves on from Ajax in the summer, he'll probably have other equally tempting offers. Coming from the familiar comfort of Ajax, I can see why he might not wish for his first attempt at a big club to be one where he has to untangle a mess and work under a notoriously inept board, with parasitic owners, and an incredible amount of pressure and media scrutiny. If I was him, I'd look for a less daunting route to the top tier of football management.
Trophies are only to flatter egos or something along those lines.
Yeah even wanted him a year ago but there is just something about Ten Hag that has me excited to see what he can do here
Yes, he won 3 chapions league finals in a row with out any tactical intelligence, people really baffle me some times.
I would like to hear some details about when and how Rangnick "taught" Klopp and Tuchel, that sounds fascinating.
Sounds too convenient, highly doubt Poch will come in now.
One reason why Rangnick should be the interim manager and then transition to Director of Football.
Clarity at last would be bliss.
What do you wish to become reality? The Man United manager giving lectures about what great stuff Jürgen Klopp does at Liverpool?
What do you wish to become reality? The Man United manager giving lectures about what great stuff Jürgen Klopp does at Liverpool?
Just want an interim with a similar philosophy to Ten Hag and think he fits the bill
Klopp was guided by his mentor at Mainz, Wofgang Frank, who in turn was inspired in his work by Arrigo Sacchi's Milan. Sacchi was in turn inspired by the Dutch total football concept of the 1970s.
Tuchel was a player under Rangnick at Ulm in Germany and had to retire at 24 through injury. Rangnick gave him a job coaching the youth team after but Tuchel has gone on record and said he was inspired by Van Gaal's Ajax, Cruyff's Barca and Wenger's Arsenal. But went on to mention Guardiola's Barca as team who made him understand the game properly as a pro coach. And what did they all have in common? They were all inspired by the Dutch total football concept of the 1970s.
Rangnick is good at blowing his own trumpet.
We're going to go Poch aren't we? 
You can say goodbye to any cup competitions.
Plus, there are 120 people who would welcome Graham Potter as United manager.
You can say goodbye to any cup competitions.Plus, there are 120 people who would welcome Graham Potter as United manager.
Damn..His signings in the last 5 years have been a shitshow.
Not much to shout about at Southampton either.
Add to the fact that he calls himself a hands-off manager who likes to let players express themselves, instead of working within the bounds of a specific system, and I see almost nothing to be enthused about.
We're going to go Poch aren't we?
Plus, there are 120 people who would welcome Graham Potter as United manager.
Well we have to do that with Ten Hag too as he isn't willing to move until the summer
Yeah, I was just trying to paint a picture of how the success of Ajax came from having a consistent structure throughout the club and gradually improving on that, while keeping the same philosophy over a period of almost ten years. Summed up it would look something like this
- 2009: Ajax were in a bad financial situation and had parted ways with their tradions up until Martin Jol. Then came the so called Cruijffian revolution, including a salary cap and a limited transfer budget, and the re-focus on homegrown players instead of overpaying for mediocre dross, a clear football philosophy with the classic 4-3-3 system which Jol didn't use, etc.
This happened under Frank de Boer, obviously he failed internationally as a manager, but at Ajax he did a wonderful job. They hadn't won the league in 7(!) years when he joined, but turned that around instantly by winning the league four times in a row. All while using mostly academy players and very cheap transfers because of the salary and budget cap, playing typical Ajax style possesion based football. This created a massive budget surplus (1st place led to direct CL group phase qualification four years in a row), about 100 million euro. Also helped by selling guys like Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Eriksen and Daley Blind.
There were some good results in Europe too under De Boer (beating Barca at home in the CL, finishing 3rd in a group with Real, Dortmund and City, knocking City who fisnished 4th in the group completely out of European football that year). But it wasn't an actual good run to a final or semi-final, and they had some very bad European performances as well.
- 2016: Peter Bosz took over and had a dramatic start, with those weird CL qualifiers at the start of the season.They got sent back to the Europa League, so the people in charge including Overmars decided to change the salary and budget cap to spend a little of the money they saved up and bought Ziyech, the best player in the Eredvisie at that time for 10 million, which was their biggest transfer in years. What followed was that first stand-out season in 21 years in Europe, leading to the EL final against United, which they considered a massive success at Ajax and proof their philosophy was working. But the squad was young and small, so they didn't win the domestic league that year, hindered by those intense Thursday night games. Bosz was also poached by Dortmund and decided to go for it, seeing it as a unique chance.
- 2017: They replaced Bosz with another bald Cruijff/Van Gaal/Guardiola adept called Marcel Keijzer, results weren't great so he got sacked after 6 monhts.
- 2018: another bald Cruijf/Guardiola adept, Erik ten Hag, was brought in. First six monhts weren't great, fans were going wild because of the lack of results despite having so much money in the bank.
So they took it a step further and made the two transfers that were absolutely crucial for their success of the last 3-4 years, by signing Blind and Tadic for about 30 million euro. Massive transfer fees compared to the 7 years previous, but those two guys brought in quality and also the maturity needed. Blind is known of course, Tadic I feel is extremely underrated (guy finished top 5 assists every year at Southampton and was brilliant in Holland before that). He and Memphis have been the most naturally talented Eredivsie forwards of the last decade, excluding Suarez.
Anyway, in combination with the young and talented batch that came through under Peter Bosz with De Ligt, De Jong, Onana, Van de Beek, and also very much the great transfers of players like Ziyech, Tagliafico, they had a team that had a remarkable run the CL, making the semi's in 2019. Which again created a massive budget surplus.
They won the league comfortably in Ten Hag's second full season, but struggled a bit in Europe, getting knocked out the CL by Atalanta in the group phase, and then knocked out the EL by AS Roma. So Ten Hag and Overmars both felt they needed to bring in more players to create good squad depth, they made more big transfers like buying Haller from West Ham for a record amount, also poaching Feyenoord's best player Steven Berghuis for 7 million last summer.
And now this season things are looking great again internationally. Though in the league, Feyenoord is putting in the best pound for pound performances at the moment, but in terms of quality available and in depth options Ajax has by far the best squad and they're favourites to win it. Playing a very exciting style perfectly implemented by Ten Hag.
Random things that deserve to be mentioned:
Marc Overmars became the DoF at Ajax in 2012. He deserves all the credit in the world for their fantastic, gradually improving, transfer strategy over the years. He was also personally involved with scouting a teenage Frenkie de Jong, who was brought in for peanuts and sold with 70+ million profit. It's not like all his transfers were perfect, but he's both sold and brought in such a tremendous amount of good players over the years.
Edwin van der Sar started as director of marketing at Ajax in 2012, just like Overmars and as a part of that Cruijffian revolution in the model of Bayern München where a club should be run by competent former players. He was trained over the years to take over as CEO which he did in 2016.
Overmars and Ten Hag seem to have a great click, so if I were in charge of a club I'd get them both as a package deal. And since it's United where VDS has a history, I can't blame people for getting enthusiastic about brining in all three of them.
Since this is the next permanent manager, the last thing I'm going to say is that Erik ten Hag looks like an excellent coach, in this specific Ajax structure. His stock is very high, and deservedly so because Ajax had some stellar achievements under him. But rating just him as a coach, outside of this specific Ajax structure, I do not see what makes him more special than someone like Peter Bosz, or Arne Slot, or even Giovanni van Bronckhorst who just took the Rangers job.
So would I want to see him as a United coach? Sure, but if we don't bring in guys like Overmars and VDS or others of that calibre that are a great match with his vision as a coach, I'm literally not sure what he's supposed to do at United. He'll implement his style, maybe it'll work for while, maybe he has no great chemistry with the squad. I really think we need to do a reboot as a club and plan for the next 5-10 years just like Ajax did in 2010.
Luckily he won't have to do much revamping here. His job is to work with the existing talent, and hopefully bring up a few academy products.
His signings in the last 5 years have been a shitshow.
Not much to shout about at Southampton either.
Add to the fact that he calls himself a hands-off manager who likes to let players express themselves, instead of working within the bounds of a specific system, and I see almost nothing to be enthused about.
And this makes his league performance with Spurs doubly impressive. While we were handing Van Gaal and Mourinho 200 million per window, Pochettino finished ahead of us in back-to-back seasons by turning Danny Rose and Kyle "run fast in a straight line" Walker into the best full-back pair in the league while also getting Alli, Eriksen and Dembele playing the best football of their careers.
Spurs basically signed four first-team-level players (Lucas, Aurier, Sissoko, Sanchez) in four years, including a stretch of consecutive transfer windows without making any signings at all, while consistently outperforming teams with more money. That's the very definition of not backing your manager in the transfer market.
According to Fred Hermel, Zidane to PSG isn't currently a thing. It was on RMC radio.
Thank god. Hopefully PSG’s competence will get us a permanent manager.
I’m more than comfortable going for Poch. Ten hag an interesting and possibly best choice. Considering Zidane actively doesnt want it, this by far the best option and I’ll be delighted. If it all goes to shit I won’t have a tantrum. Though I do think he will deserve three years and 400m to spend. If after that the scouse ruin us at OT then yeah fair enough times up,
We're going to go Poch aren't we?
Plus, there are 120 people who would welcome Graham Potter as United manager.
So you think young managers can't progress their skills and knowledge over time?
Managers don't have trophies.....until they do. We saw that getting someone with great experience and trophy background doesn't guarantee anything.
Wasn’t speaking about Zidane, more your comments
Young? He's the same age Jose was when he started his second Chelsea stint.
Yeah, I don't know if 12 years of management can see you labelled as a young manager.
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