Even waiting till the international break we can kiss top 4 goodbye.
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Yeah go all in and see what happens
Everyone sensible now thinks the same thing. Shall we close the thread?
They will side with Poch over Ten Hag in my opinion.
Due to PL experience and his relationship with Fergie
I've watched a bit of both. Ten Haag has the potential to be the best in the world and I like his style of play. Cappuccino does not. It might be a risk with Ten Hag but the pay off could be huge. Also the VDS connection to the club is perfect and he would probably join us then too. At least I hope he does.
If Poch wants it now, get him. I don't like the interim idea at all. We need a proper manager here now to sort this mess.
You mean the one in March?
The Ten Hag thing about requiring all his Dutch mates in position sounds like total nonsense. It's just not realistic to think a manager can dictate a wider footballing structure to an ownership. That's not his remit at all. His job is manager and coaching.
I'd be surprised if that's true.
Also, why would he be at the mercy of the Glazers? He'd be at the mercy of himself, Ole got everything he asked for, he could have no complaints whatsoever. You can't have it that we are outdated because we trust managers too much in recruitment and then simultaneously suggest the Glazers are a massive hinderence. The only thing the Glazers can be criticised for in transfer terms is they're a bit slow.
I'd be surprised if that's true.
Also, why would he be at the mercy of the Glazers? He'd be at the mercy of himself, Ole got everything he asked for, he could have no complaints whatsoever. You can't have it that we are outdated because we trust managers too much in recruitment and then simultaneously suggest the Glazers are a massive hinderence. The only thing the Glazers can be criticised for in transfer terms is they're a bit slow.
Most in here want THG based on hype and probably haven't watched his team that much except maybe the last 2 CL games since his name started popping up frequently on these boards.
I'll admit that I myself am a victim of the hype and would love to have him here just based on that given like the majority of folks in here I haven't really watched his team play that much. I'm good with either Poch or THG but the former is more proven and safer.
I am saying the shit show on view is not SAF's fault. There have been companies which have turned around bad CEO's effects in a matter of quarters, let alone 8 years. To even say that what we are seeing now is a result of what SAF left behind is dragging the great man in for the sake of it. This issue could have been raised in the immediate aftermath of his retirement, but to still tread that line 8 years later is disingenuous.
The Glazers are the only persons responsible for this mess, no one else. Neither SAF nor Gill.
A massive blow to United as Southgate rules himself out of the running:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59371397
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59371397
For some reason it reminds me of the SMS mania from few seasons ago when his name was being mentioned in pretty much every transfer thread.
A massive blow to United as Southgate rules himself out of the running:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59371397
Rather have Bruce
Of course it's nonsense, it comes from a journalist who wants to create clicks around anti-Glazer sentiments. If you think about for one second, he described all jobs at top clubs, United is actually the one where you will get the most influence and the most time which one of our issues.
I meant winter break, apologies.
That's the spirit.
I meant winter break, apologies.
The top 4 won’t be decided by Christmas, behave. It’s far too competitive for that.
Please read the article or even the headline .
Poch desperate to change clubs because he knows they'll sack him after this season unless he miraculously wins the cl. Why would he not want to have Neymar, Messi and Mbappe in a team with virtually unlimited funds. At United he'll be safe for atleast a couple of seasons, taking into account our legendary rebuilding process..
My worry with Poch is his style of football, yes he plays attacking football but I don’t think his style isn’t as clear as Pep, Klopp, Tuchel or Ten Hag and that is why I prefer Ten Hag. If Ten Hag can manage us to play like Ajax does now… we might be in for something great
Not Poch, please.
Has still won nothing and has a horrible record against top teams in England.
I don't count the French cup, as Tuchel lead the team to the final and he had managed the team for 3 hours at that point.
Couldn't even win the 6th best league in Europe with a squad worth a third of the combined value of the rest of the league (19 clubs).
If he doesn't hit the ground running he'd be eaten alive here.
Please not ZZ either. Our young players would not get a fair chance with him at the wheel.
Ten Hag is the only one of the alternatives I'm 100% positive to. No guarantees there either of course, all the others have some obvious cons.....
Has still won nothing and has a horrible record against top teams in England.
I don't count the French cup, as Tuchel lead the team to the final and he had managed the team for 3 hours at that point.
Couldn't even win the 6th best league in Europe with a squad worth a third of the combined value of the rest of the league (19 clubs).
If he doesn't hit the ground running he'd be eaten alive here.
Please not ZZ either. Our young players would not get a fair chance with him at the wheel.
Ten Hag is the only one of the alternatives I'm 100% positive to. No guarantees there either of course, all the others have some obvious cons.....
Quite simply we need to put the ball in Ten Hag's court now, do you want the job as bad as Pochettino. Basically are you willing to walk out on Ajax like Pochettino seemingly will do with PSG
You should make a poll "Poch in january vs ETH in summer".
I like them both, but I'd rather sign Poch as is he obviously eager to work here and we can get him earlier.
I like them both, but I'd rather sign Poch as is he obviously eager to work here and we can get him earlier.
Slow to buy and invest in chronic problem positions for us for years. Won’t sell players that don’t even want to be here. Let the club fall apart. Apart from that they are great.
Yes but if he isn't willing to leave now and the other candidate is then what are we supposed to do
I meant winter break, apologies.
Only the Bundesliga has a winter break among top leagues.
Please don't give the next manager a 5 year contract. A huge waste of money in payouts when they get sacked.
An 18 month contract like Conte is perfect.
An 18 month contract like Conte is perfect.
We have the highest wage bill in football and have spent the second most after an oil state. Anyone crying about manager’s not getting enough to spend is in a fantasy land.
Yeah I have this exact concern as well
Then we'll get a manager that will have to hit the ground running with this squad. I don't think any manager will get much time without results with this squad, and I really hope we don't sign anyone on a longterm contract.
I think it's Mauricio's if he want's it and is willing to join us asap... Erik, i feel will not be available until the end of the season so he could well miss out.. I'd be happy with either one but i'd rather us not employ an interim manager to see the season out... p.s Rodger's can go and feck off.
Ideally we get someone experienced like Rangnick then Ten Hag in the summer but this makes far too much sense
How is it different at United?
I think there's no break for 4 months.
Saw Erik Ten Hag's response on united question. It seems he is literally implying come get me.
Yep. I think ETH has more upside in that sense, so if it was a straight choice between the two I'd go for him.
However, there's still enough to doubt about ETH that if Poch was available now and ETH wasn't, I'd basically be fine with the club opting for the former. The new manager getting an extra six months work in before the start of next season, an extra transfer window and us avoiding having to appoint an interim entirely would be fair upside.
Same. In fact I’d rather re-sign Ole than Southgate.
Yeah but this club is clearly obsessed with giving Pochettino a go at managing this club
All good!
It's nonsense in the sense it won't happen. It's not nonsense in the sense that it is a good reason not to take the job. Other clubs also have footballing infrastructures yes. But not ones that place marketing above football and actually inhibit you from reshaping the team.
The Klopp and Pep appointments show that you have to make your bed and wash your sheets before a supermodel will hop in.
Most fans seem to want Ten Hag, and he seems the obvious long term option. However, I have a horrible feeling that the club will go for Poch because he’s seen as a “bigger name”
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