Well he may have had plans on resting him over pre season, like he did with the real players.
Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes
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Well he may have had plans on resting him over pre season, like he did with the real players.
You've been RAWKed from your senses mate.
1) Inter are having an abnormal number of injuries, because of Rafa's training methods. No one in Italian press / supporters is blaming the injuries this year on Mourinho.
2) Inter do have money, Moratti is a very rich tycoon that deeply cares about the team. However, after bringing in Eto'o, Milito, Pandev, Lucio, Motta and Sneijder last year (that's 6 players 4-5 were automatic starters), Moratti decided the team didn't need major investments. After all, they are the reigning European champions, won the Serie A and the Italian Cup. They did buy a few young players like Coutinho and Biabianny.
3) Jose left b/c he hated Italian football; he was constantly harangued, questioned, provoked, annoyed by the press, the Italian FA, by opposing coaches/presidents etc, so he found the perfect feck-you-all by winning the Treble and leaving as an undisputed winner.
4) As for leaving behind a weakened Chelsea, that's bollox. The team he built was a fking machine that pushed us all the way in the PL and the CL in 08. It's largely the same team that Carlo is managing, and Ancelotti acknowledged that recently when he said Jose assembled a fantastic team and that he still uses some of the methods and extensive library that Jose left behind.
Make no mistake, Jose is an amazing manager. Whether you like his personality or not that's different, but don't question his abilities.
I've said this before and I'll say it again now, the teams he's managed have all had different priorities to us, at chelsea it was build a winning team as soon as possible at any cost, at inter it was to get them challenging for the CL as soon as possible at any cost and at real it's to beat barca at any cost.
IF he's the next united manager he'll have a completely different brief and will change accordingly.
As for his teams doing worse in the seasons after he's left isn't that a testament to his shrewd management of them.
we really have been spoilt with Sir Alex, c) comes before anything else and he's a master at it, the success of 1) and b) (
) are dependant upon c), do we want a team of 20 year old centre forwards playing in the championship, of course not, we want (and need with our debt) to be challenging for the prem and CL every year and mourinho is the man to do that, whether he's here for 2 years or 10.What would you have him done? Rest players and blow the chance of the first ever Treble by an Italian club so that the next season might start more smoothly?
Mourinho getting an award from the league managers association last night.
Mourinho not only admires SAF, he envies SAF's job as a real boss in his own club.
He's not spoken to the press for two weeks - while he's been a on a touchline ban - and he said tonight (ban over) it's been the best two weeks since he arrived at Madrid. He's already loved by the Madrid fans (will be canonised if he wins anything) and as far as you can tell, adored by his players. Hated by opposition fans and criticised by the press.
If he came to United, he'd adapt again in terms of playing style, and he'd be in an environment that he'd love - one with as much fight and humour as he's got.
If he came, would he be here for the longterm?
Would it matter? Whoever comes in after SAF will have to manage a huge transition. The better the manager, the less chance of a hammering.
The timing and the finances might say no, but I don't believe for one moment that Mourinhp is some kind of scorched earth manager who kills the teams he leaves behind. Good old Rafa's got the skill to do that alone.
Mourinho not only admires SAF, he envies SAF's job as a real boss in his own club.
He's not spoken to the press for two weeks - while he's been a on a touchline ban - and he said tonight (ban over) it's been the best two weeks since he arrived at Madrid. He's already loved by the Madrid fans (will be canonised if he wins anything) and as far as you can tell, adored by his players. Hated by opposition fans and criticised by the press.
If he came to United, he'd adapt again in terms of playing style, and he'd be in an environment that he'd love - one with as much fight and humour as he's got.
If he came, would he be here for the longterm?
Would it matter? Whoever comes in after SAF will have to manage a huge transition. The better the manager, the less chance of a hammering.
The timing and the finances might say no, but I don't believe for one moment that Mourinhp is some kind of scorched earth manager who kills the teams he leaves behind. Good old Rafa's got the skill to do that alone.
This sums it up nicely.
He clearly wants the job and we most definitley need someone like him to fill Sir Alex's shoes.
There is no other manager that comes close to Mourinho. He would be the perfect successor to Alex Ferguson, if we could get him on a very long contract.
Mourinho getting an award from the league managers association last night.
Mourinho not only admires SAF, he envies SAF's job as a real boss in his own club.
He's not spoken to the press for two weeks - while he's been a on a touchline ban - and he said tonight (ban over) it's been the best two weeks since he arrived at Madrid. He's already loved by the Madrid fans (will be canonised if he wins anything) and as far as you can tell, adored by his players. Hated by opposition fans and criticised by the press.
If he came to United, he'd adapt again in terms of playing style, and he'd be in an environment that he'd love - one with as much fight and humour as he's got.
If he came, would he be here for the longterm?
Would it matter? Whoever comes in after SAF will have to manage a huge transition. The better the manager, the less chance of a hammering.
The timing and the finances might say no, but I don't believe for one moment that Mourinhp is some kind of scorched earth manager who kills the teams he leaves behind. Good old Rafa's got the skill to do that alone.
Once he wins La Liga with Real, which I believe he will this season (he's better than Guardiola at grinding out results). There will be nothing left for him in club football except return to England like he's always said he wants to.
How about winning Madrid their holy grail of the 10th European Cup?
I think he had less than 40 starts for Inter - hardly a ridiculous number - and iI doubt if the treble winner felt abused.
Obviously with a long WC following that he needed gentler handling this season - but you know what, Mourinho left them 6 months ago. A bit late now for them to discover a problem and blame him.
That could be on his agenda, all in good time to takeover from Sir Alex in a few years.
I personally haven't seen anyone post any pro-Moyes stuff but anyone with half a brain would prefer Mourinho as next United manager, surely?
I personally can't stand Moyes.
I personally can't stand Moyes.
What puts me off is people saying stuff like "There's noone else good enough" or "no-one else comes close" quite clearly not true.
There is major question marks over his ability to lead a club over the long term, there's question marks if he's too much of a prick to lead United and there's question marks over how he leaves his clubs for me.
There is major question marks over his ability to lead a club over the long term, there's question marks if he's too much of a prick to lead United and there's question marks over how he leaves his clubs for me.
I agree totally but there's no point telling those that have decided that Mourinho's arrival is a formality and have copped a deaf 'un to any legitimate reasons as to why it may not happen and the credentials of other candidates.
They'll not waver in their belief until A.it happens or B.we go for someone else. If B. occurs, I'd suggest the unemployment levels will shrink due to sheer demand for 24 hour suicide watch.
Name me another manager who has his pedigree who is the right side of 50.
He has left most his clubs in very good condition, the fact that his replacements are NOT up to his standards should not be held against him.
Name me another manager who has his pedigree who is the right side of 50.
He has left most his clubs in very good condition, the fact that his replacements are NOT up to his standards should not be held against him.
Benitez, Grant and Scolari are good managers.
There is no other manager with his pedigree, then again there is no other manager whose been given the chances he had under 50. And there are no other managers who've managed three of the best teams in the world under 50.
There are plenty of managers who've done a sustained good job and constantly rebuilding and making their teams better. They are much more impressive to me than someone coming in, motivating players to do well and then leaving without ever having to deal with long term problems. He may be able to do it, but there is no proof that he could do it, and I would need that proof before I saw him at Old Trafford.
Name me another manager who has his pedigree who is the right side of 50.
He has left most his clubs in very good condition, the fact that his replacements are NOT up to his standards should not be held against him.
You don't have to have a CV to match his to have just as much potential to succeed at Manchester United or any other club for that matter. Mourinho didn't get where he is today without someone taking a chance on his undoubted but at the time unproven ability as a manager.
I think ultimately Jose should become SAF's successor, purely to alleviate that tag of succeeding SAF and his legacy for the next man in more than anything. But I'd understand if the club chose to go down a different route, I get the impression that the likes of you, kietotheworld, and the rest of his disciples would not be so understanding and would probably hang the next manager out to dry if it's not your chosen one.
For the sake of it though, Ancelotti measures up to Jose, and has had much less money to play with and much less power over his Milan and Chelsea hierarchy. Then there is Moyes, Blanc, and co who although not having his pedigree in terms of trophies, certainly posses the potential to acquire that kind of standing in the game if given a chance.
The other parts I can see your points, this paragraph doesn't really work.
Ancelloti has won 2 league trophies in 15 years of management, 14 years of which at competitive clubs, hardly creme de la creme is it?
As for the other 2 I'd say only Blanc potentially could be next manager, Moyes lacks game changing intuition using substitutes, in a champions league side "throw all of the strikers on with 10 to go" isn't going to work.
The "only" two league's point is a legitimate point for the case against Ancelotti, but what you have to remember is that at Milan, and indeed in Italy and Spain, the Champions League is king. Win that and your season is a success, fail and your season is a failure, ask Del Bosque and Mancini if you don't believe me.
Carlo had a gifted but extremely ageing squad under his wing at Milan, there was no way Costacurta, Maldini, Favalli, Cafu, Inzaghi and co were going to be able to challenge on all fronts. That's why Milan fell so short in Serie A for most of Ancelotti's reign and why they excelled and consistently reached the sharp end of the CL in the same period.
Argh just had a post written out and it crashed, I'll try and remake it.
This doesn't help his failure at Juventus and Parma, in these clubs he had players which were fantastic, Gigi Buffon in his best years, Hernan Crespo at his delightful best, Del Piero at the height of his majesty, his best achievement at either was an intertoto cup win at Juve and UEFA cup final loss at Parma.
Don't forget Juve were dominant immediately before and after his stint.
I know it's scant consolation but Carlo got Juve within a whisker of the scudetto for two seasons running at a time when Lazio(Nesta, Sensini, Veron, Mancini, Salas, Simeone, Nedved, and co), Roma(Batistuta, Totti, Aldair, Cafu, Montella, and co), Milan(Rui Costa, Shevchenko, Maldini, Desailly and co), Parma(Buffon, Thuram, Crespo, and co), and Inter(Vieri, Zanetti, Toldo, etc) were all at the peak of their powers and at a time when Juve were going stale and needed to use the Zidane money to rebuild their squad to succeed again.
I don't know about his stint at Parma well enough to comment but he was the right man at the wrong time for Juve. His success at Milan stands up to Jose and SAF though, because he excelled constantly in the competition they and every club in mainland Europe prioritised.
meh - every move he has made in his managerial career has been logical (or forced in the case of Chelsea) - he has been drafted into each club for a project or plan and he executed to perfection (I guess apart from the CL with Chelsea) - it's not his fault that all the clubs/owners he's worked with have had such impatient approaches to football and success....and maybe that's what draws him to Manchester United?
Some good quotes in here. Can anybody honestly say that Mourinho's next job in England isn't going to be a long term one? Take your heads out of the sand for just a moment.....
Managers are just in it for the one title?
he couldn't make it much plainer he wants Fergie's job - he's already said he "couldn't take the Liverpool job but can 't say why"
He does polarise opinion but I'd love him here and by the time the job becomes avaliable he'll've had his fill of Madrid
How the hell have you figured that out. Do you think he went into every job he's ever had not saying he's going to stick around. And through them all he's left very quickly. It's not having our head in the sand it's not believing everything he said.
The fact he said he stayed at Chelsea in 2007 when he could have left for Madrid? The fact he says he loves England, his wife loves England and his kids love England? The fact he said he wants to come back and coach here again? The fact he's said he can't wait to do that?
Fergie seems to get on very well with him. Which is funny considering he refused to shake Mourinho's hand when Porto knocked us out at OT (And yet we're told Fergie is a good loser
)Our manager has a lot of respect for Jose and can see what a great football manager he is, I'm sure the reservations people have about him will prove to be ill-founded if and when he does take over from the great man.
The fact he said he stayed at Chelsea in 2007 when he could have left for Madrid? The fact he says he loves England, his wife loves England and his kids love England? The fact he said he wants to come back and coach here again? The fact he's said he can't wait to do that?
Fergie seems to get on very well with him. Which is funny considering he refused to shake Mourinho's hand when Porto knocked us out at OT (And yet we're told Fergie is a good loser
Someone would say they're like best friends
The fact he said he stayed at Chelsea in 2007 when he could have left for Madrid? The fact he says he loves England, his wife loves England and his kids love England? The fact he said he wants to come back and coach here again? The fact he's said he can't wait to do that?
Fergie seems to get on very well with him. Which is funny considering he refused to shake Mourinho's hand when Porto knocked us out at OT (And yet we're told Fergie is a good loser
Our manager has a lot of respect for Jose and can see what a great football manager he is, I'm sure the reservations people have about him will prove to be ill-founded if and when he does take over from the great man.
Why did he not.. just stay at Chelsea then?
It's clear that he'll be managing in the PL again within the next 2-5 years, question is when and where. I'm not as convinced as some are that he's got eyes for OT only. I'd say there is just as much if not more chance of him rocking up at Eastlands than at United. I'm sure if that's the case, all the love and admiration he seems to have gathered on here would vanish instantly, there would be a lot of U-turns all over the place ala the mood swing when Wayne suddenly signed an extension.
Because Abramovich brought in Grant against Mourinho's wishes. A poor run of results then saw him leave by mutual consent.
He was sacked.
I thought it was pretty much his decision tbh, I must have misremembered.
I'd like to point out where I stand on Mourinho.
I do think he is a great manager, and would be great at United. My only qualms is he seems to have walked into three very very good jobs in his last few years, and done well at all of them, but I believe a lot of managers could have matched him. The fact he's never rebuilt a side is worrying, as is how clubs tend to go massively downhill after he's left. People don't seem to mind him coming in after SAF, doing a few years than going, but that would be disasterous. People also seem to think he's the ONLY possible replacement, and there's plenty of other managers out there who offer more.
I do think he is a great manager, and would be great at United. My only qualms is he seems to have walked into three very very good jobs in his last few years, and done well at all of them, but I believe a lot of managers could have matched him. The fact he's never rebuilt a side is worrying, as is how clubs tend to go massively downhill after he's left. People don't seem to mind him coming in after SAF, doing a few years than going, but that would be disasterous. People also seem to think he's the ONLY possible replacement, and there's plenty of other managers out there who offer more.
He's like a boy who's just discovered the birds at the pub make him feel good. So he brings a new one home every night until he's had his fair share and is now looking for s wife.
With Real, Jose has won everything worth winning - each of the top 3 leagues and his home country's league, titles in all of them. The only step from that is to settle down and build a dynasty.
Jose is the horny boy and United is his wife.
With Real, Jose has won everything worth winning - each of the top 3 leagues and his home country's league, titles in all of them. The only step from that is to settle down and build a dynasty.
Jose is the horny boy and United is his wife.
Pipedream.
We all know what happens sometimes to she who gets into bed with a fella who's been putting it about for years...The last thing we need after this recent virus and the cancer(owners) within the club is a STD