next labour leader

Commiserations to those who didn't want Corbyn, it's been a great debate in here. Let's all hope that the party pulls together and works to win this election. I have no doubt that Corbyn will reach out to the party and its vital that the right of the party doesn't throw its toys out of the pram and concentrates on the real enemy.
 
Just so chuffed. To think he was put in as a token gesture and won by such a margin is truely incredible. Now to beat the dippers.
 
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85% of the £3 voters backed Corbyn, but the near 60% landslide surely makes it very tough for the party to stick the knife in and replace Corbyn in the near future - they'll have to stick with him for long while yet.

Also the Labour "grandees" that went against Corbyn so publicly have firmly had their opinion and position shutdown by the party electorate - exciting times to say the very least.
 
Antisocial said:
85% of the £3 voters backed Corbyn, but the near 60% landslide surely makes it very tough for the party to stick the knife in and replace Corbyn in the near future - they'll have to stick with him for long while yet.

Also the Labour "grandees" that went against Corbyn so publicly have firmly had their opinion and position shutdown by the party electorate - exciting times to say the very least.
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By far the most important and interesting thing about this. The reality check labour sorely needed.
 
Labour are fecked.

"It is not our job to reform capitalism, but to destroy it".

The British electorate simply won't have it. If Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister, I'll sell my arse on the Severn Bridge.
 
Yeah really there is no place in the Labour Party for people who think they can influence policy because they're rich. That's the exact opposite of what labour should be about. Seeing the back of the grandees is no problem as far as I'm concerned. Corbyn's campaign was funded by ordinary people rather than super-rich donors, that's the model I'd like to see for the party at large.
 
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Labour are fecked.

"It is not our job to reform capitalism, but to destroy it".

The British electorate simply won't have it. If Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister, I'll sell my arse on the Severn Bridge.
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Think it's doing a great job on it own.
 
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Hopefully the first of many Tory-lite careerists to throw themselves under the bus.
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You mustn't have been listening to Corbyn's acceptance speech where he spoke at length about attempting to unite the party.
 
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Funny how many of the same right wing Labour members who moaned about people who left the party under Blair rejoining to vote for Corbyn are now talking about leaving the party.

Thing is, even though the right has lost absolutely catastrophically, Corbyn will still listen to that wing of the party and try to foster unity. He won't just ignore them like Blair did the left.
 
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Funny how many of the same right wing Labour members who moaned about people who left the party under Blair rejoining to vote for Corbyn are now talking about leaving the party.

Thing is, even though the right has lost absolutely catastrophically, Corbyn will still listen to that wing of the party and try to foster unity. He won't just ignore them like Blair did the left.
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What ideas from the right of Labour do you think he will adopt as policy?
 
@Ubik - in terms of pure right wing policies? None, he'll seek a compromise between the positions he was voted in to represent and the position of the party.

You don't build a coherent platform by adopting a bizarre mix of left and right policies almost arbitrarily. The way to bring the party together is to compromise.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
@Ubik - in terms of pure right wing policies? None, he'll seek a compromise between the positions he was voted in to represent and the position of the party.

You don't build a coherent platform by adopting a bizarre mix of left and right policies almost arbitrarily. The way to bring the party together is to compromise.
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I'm just confused as you used it as a stick to bash Blair with, despite him bringing in stuff like the minimum wage, tax credits, a windfall tax, large increases in public service spending. Which for a Tory like Blair was pretty leftwing stuff. So I'm interested in the stuff that he'd compromise on and listen to from the right to foster this unity that's being spoken of, particularly in the climate where plenty of his supporters are currently telling MPs and members who don't support him to leave the party. He has a massive mandate. What is he willing to bend on?
 
jeff_goldblum said:
Commiserations to those who didn't want Corbyn, it's been a great debate in here. Let's all hope that the party pulls together and works to win this election. I have no doubt that Corbyn will reach out to the party and its vital that the right of the party doesn't throw its toys out of the pram and concentrates on the real enemy.
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Some of the right will unite with the majority of the party, as some of them always have done. Some of them will throw their toys out of the pram, just as they always have done. Some of them are in this thread.

Congratulations Jeremy Corbyn. :cool:
 
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I'm just confused as you used it as a stick to bash Blair with, despite him bringing in stuff like the minimum wage, tax credits, a windfall tax, large increases in public service spending. Which for a Tory like Blair was pretty leftwing stuff. So I'm interested in the stuff that he'd compromise on and listen to from the right to foster this unity that's being spoken of, particularly in the climate where plenty of his supporters are currently telling MPs and members who don't support him to leave the party. He has a massive mandate. What is he willing to bend on?
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Those Blair policies you mention were clearly good, but they were lip-service to the left and nothing more. They pulled people out of poverty but they didn't stop our society getting more unequal under 13 years of Labour rule than it was under 18 years of Tory rule. Things got better, but our society was just a kinder version of what came before, not something fundamentally different. The public spending obviously sounds great from a leftist perspective, but spending well is as important as spending big. Handing money to private companies in PFI schemes and creating thousands of high-paid middle-management positions in the NHS instead of putting the money into services is public spending, but that doesn't mean its good. Under New Labour they were desperate to show that they were investing, but they generally had absolutely no idea what to invest in.

As for things Corbyn would compromise on, he's already curbed his ideas about dissolving the monarchy and leaving NATO, on the basis that there's no public will for these things. Everything's relative, whilst he's more idealistic and principled than most politicians, he's not entirely unmoving to the extent that he'll break before he bends. Everyone who has worked on a committee with him that I'm heard from has talked about how he's all about building consensus. You don't get a reputation for that by being stubborn. He wont, and shouldn't be expected to, meet the right half-way, precisely because the right got less than a 20th of the vote whilst the left won a huge victory, but the idea that he'll not budge on anything is nonsense.
 
Well Corbyn has made a superficial change to his stance on NATO, one which allow Burnham to serve in the shadow cabinet should he be so chosen. But as to more substantive concessions of policy or what could be perceived as u-turns on his part, your guess is as good as mine.

I expect there to be a vote in the Commons regarding Syrian air strikes fairly shortly, and the Government is likely to appreciate the help of a few Labour rebels.
 
Congrats to corbyn
I certainly won't be voting labour under his leadership and I suspect it's going to be a disaster for the party... But it's a disaster the party's picked and that has to be respected
Trident
Public services strike rules
Strikes against ISIS in Syria
I suspect the tories are looking forward to the public perception of a Corbyn leadership if that's the top three things on their agenda
 
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Those Blair policies you mention were clearly good, but they were lip-service to the left and nothing more. They pulled people out of poverty but they didn't stop our society getting more unequal under 13 years of Labour rule than it was under 18 years of Tory rule. Things got better, but our society was just a kinder version of what came before, not something fundamentally different. The public spending obviously sounds great from a leftist perspective, but spending well is as important as spending big. Handing money to private companies in PFI schemes and creating thousands of high-paid middle-management positions in the NHS instead of putting the money into services is public spending, but that doesn't mean its good. Under New Labour they were desperate to show that they were investing, but they generally had absolutely no idea what to invest in.

As for things Corbyn would compromise on, he's already curbed his ideas about dissolving the monarchy and leaving NATO, on the basis that there's no public will for these things. Everything's relative, whilst he's more idealistic and principled than most politicians, he's not entirely unmoving to the extent that he'll break before he bends. Everyone who has worked on a committee with him that I'm heard from has talked about how he's all about building consensus. You don't get a reputation for that by being stubborn. He wont, and shouldn't be expected to, meet the right half-way, precisely because the right got less than a 20th of the vote whilst the left won a huge victory, but the idea that he'll not budge on anything is nonsense.
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So stuff that actually changed lives for the better - lip-service. Paring down on batshit ideas like leaving Nato - inclusive leadership. Right.

I agree that he doesn't need to meet the modernisers half-way given his resounding mandate. Just like Blair didn't given his in '94. And he introduced socialist policies in government.
 
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So stuff that actually changed lives for the better - lip-service. Paring down on batshit ideas like leaving Nato - inclusive leadership. Right.

I agree that he doesn't need to meet the modernisers half-way given his resounding mandate. Just like Blair didn't given his in '94. And he introduced socialist policies in government.
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With spin-skills like that I'm not surprised you're gutted about the Blairites getting annihilated.

The policies you mention aren't socialism. Socialism is generally slightly more ambitious than simply curbing the worst excesses of an unfair economic system, it's about creating an economic system where those excesses don't exist. I'm not saying they were bad policies by any means - as you say, they did a lot of good - but you can't seriously say they were socialist policies. If you brought Disraeli into 2001 he'd recognise New Labour's welfare policy as a slightly sexed up version of classic one nation conservatism, but to some in the Labour Party it's socialism :wenger:

And I didn't say his NATO thing was inclusive - I simply gave it as an example of how he's not the set-in-stone ideologue straw man the right of the party and the press are trying to paint him as.
 
If I've taken one thing from this, it's that Ed Miliband's clearly enjoyed his holiday since he's got an excellent tan in that interview.
 
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