Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions

idmanager said:
A few drafts ago, I did suggest an idea which I think was never played here. Didn't get much traction but was something like this.

Would work for an all time context while blocking lots of players on the way.

Wud work only for 16 teams, but from R2 onwards , every players gets to make 1 pick for himself and 1 block pick.
Something like below

1. Maradona
2. Pele
3. Cryuff
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14. 1. Van Basten 2. Zico (block Zidane)
15. 1. Garrincha 2. Faachetti (block Carlos)
16. 1. Matthaus 2. Baresi (block Scirea)
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That's an interesting idea.
 
idmanager said:
Well, I'd say a top notch CB pairing at pick 32/33 is as good as having Maradona in a draft where everyone would get on average 4 of the elite players of all time.
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I think Seria a draft pretty much proved that getting 2 defensive GOATs is not going to balance the uber attacking GOAT you can pick upfront.
 
Think we should finalize the draft format and number on managers today so we can start tomorrow? Think the Serie A draft final is today

@Edgar Allan Pillow since you are running the draft it should be your call on the number of people and format.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
A reserve reserve auction Draft perhaps. $100m for Shaun Wright Phillips. :wenger:
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Yeah my point wasn't so much about the pool as clearly there is plenty of appetite for a big feck off GOATfest. But perhaps, as you were hinting at, some interesting twist/restriction to the picking process or match dynamics.
 
Let's get this show on the road.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
What you'll see new is that:

- Many players will have minimum buy values, so you can't stack GOATs.
- Players trade between managers is permitted within rules.
- You can bid higher than available cash, but harsher penalty if you can't settle.
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Sounds interesting and fits the Auction theme. Call the minimum values though reserve prices like in normal auctions. Big question though is will it be 16 teams or 230 something?
 
List of people for the auction draft. I gave my spot to @Oaencha . Crappy and I are tag teaming
  1. 2mufc0
  2. Oaencha
  3. Enigma
  4. MJJ
  5. Isotope
  6. Idmanager
  7. Lord Sinister
  8. Arbitrium
  9. Moby
  10. Pat Mustard
  11. OneNil
  12. Sjor/TRoss
  13. Skizzo
  14. P-Nut
  15. Crappy/Indnyc
  16. Raees/Invictus
 
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Welcome to the Auction-Trade Madness Draft!

Standard T&C:

S.1 - All time draft.

S.2 - No substitutions. Tactical changes with in-field players only.

S.3 - Open pool reinforcement. Undrafted players can be drafted now.

S.5 - Post deletions are banned in this thread. Irrespective of whether it has a bid or not, no posts can be deleted.

Bid Process:

B.1 - Once posted, it's final. No edits / change to bids (player or value) permitted. No deletions or revoking your bids either.

B.2 - Starting funds: $600m for a minimum 12 player team. Unused funds from rounds will be carried over to next round. (See R.2 below)

B.3 - Upbids only in multiples of $10m. $10m minimum upbid. During final 3 hrs of the bid, up bids of minimum $20m only.

B.4 - Bids get finalized after 12hrs of no up-bids.

B.5 - Bid format "dd/mmm - hh:mm - Player Name - Manager Name - $value" (e.g. 17/Feb - 23:14 - Djemba Djemba - EAP - $100m). 24h time format. CET timezone only (GMT +1hr)

B.6 - For players in list, you can only start off with the listed bid value. If not in list minimum starting bid value is $20m.

B.7 - Total bid values can be higher than available funds. But if you can't settle at end, draft mod will mandate players sold to bank to get manager back in funds. Also violating manager will start with a 2 vote deficit in his coming match.


Trade Process:

Trading allowed between managers

T.1 - Players can only be sold or traded for profit. i.e. value higher than they were bought.

T. 2 - One for two only. i.e. Player A = Player B + Player C (or) Player A = Player B + Cash. Value of Player B + Player C or value of Player B + Cash must be higher than value of Player A.

T.3 - Players can be sold back to the bank at discount (150 = 120 | 100 = 80 | 80 = 60 | 50 = 30 | 30 = 20 ).

T.4 - Players not in minimum value list but who were in the Playing XI for the immediate previous round can be sold to bank for $10m.

Reinforcements:

R.1: Extra 1 player per Reinforcement Round. (B.6 above also applies here)

R.2 - No extra funds for reinforcements. You should sell or trade for funds to add to whatever you carried over.


Minimum Bid Player List:

150m - Cristiano Ronaldo
150m - Diego Maradona
150m - Franz Beckenbauer
150m - Johan Cruyff
150m - Lionel Messi
150m - Pele
150m - Alfredo Di Stefano
150m - Eusebio
150m - Ferenc Puskas
150m - Frank Rijkaard
150m - Garrincha
150m - Lothar Matthäus
150m - Luis Ronaldo
150m - Marco Van Basten
150m - Michel Platini

120m - Alessandro Nesta
120m - Bobby Charlton
120m - Bobby Moore
120m - Daniel Passarella
120m - Franco Baresi
120m - George Best
120m - Gerd Muller
120m - Lilian Thuram
120m - Marcel Desailly
120m - Paolo Maldini
120m - Romario

100m - Djalma Santos
100m - Elias Figueroa
100m - Francisco Gento
100m - Gaetano Scirea
100m - Jose Emilio Santamaria
100m - Kurt Hamrin
100m - Luis Figo
100m - Roberto Baggio
100m - Stanley Matthews
100m - Thierry Henry
100m - Xavi
100m - Zico
100m - Zinedine Zidane
100m - Zoltan Czibor

80m - Albert Shesternev (SHESTERNYOV)
80m - Alessandro Costacurta
80m - Alessandro Del Piero
80m - Amancio Amaro
80m - Andrea Pirlo
80m - Andreas Brehme
80m - Andres Iniesta
80m - Andriy Shevchenko
80m - Antonio Cabrini
80m - Ashley Cole
80m - Bernd Schuster
80m - Berti Vogts
80m - Bixente Lizarazu
80m - Bryan Robson
80m - Cafu
80m - Carlos Alberto
80m - Claude Makelele
80m - David Beckham
80m - Didi
80m - Dino Zoff
80m - Domingos Da Guia
80m - Dragan Dzajic
80m - Duncan Edwards
80m - Edgar Davids
80m - Edwin Van Der Sar
80m - Eric Cantona
80m - Fabio Cannavaro
80m - Fernando Redondo
80m - Francesco Totti
80m - Gabriel Batistuta
80m - Giacinto Facchetti
80m - Gianluigi Buffon
80m - Giuseppe Bergomi
80m - Gordon Banks
80m - Jaap Stam
80m - Jairzinho
80m - Javier Zanetti
80m - Johan Neeskens
80m - Jürgen Kohler
80m - Karl-Heinz Förster
80m - Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
80m - Lev Yashin
80m - Luis Suarez Miramontes (Luisito)
80m - Michael Laudrup
80m - Nilton Santos
80m - Patrick Vieira
80m - Paul Breitner
80m - Paul Mcgrath
80m - Paul Scholes
80m - Paulo Roberto Falcao
80m - Pavel Nedved
80m - Peter Schmeichel
80m - Peter Shilton
80m - Philip Lahm
80m - Pietro Vierchowod
80m - Raymond Kopa
80m - Rio Ferdinand
80m - Roberto Carlos
80m - Roberto Rivellino (Rivelino)
80m - Ronaldinho
80m - Roy Keane
80m - Ruud Gullit
80m - Ruud Krol
80m - Ryan Giggs
80m - Samuel Eto'o
80m - Sandor Kocsis
80m - Sandro Mazzola
80m - Sepp Maier
80m - Silvio Marzolini
80m - Silvio Piola
80m - Socrates
80m - Victor Rodriguez Andrade
80m - Zbigniew Boniek

50m - Arjen Robben
50m - Armando Picchi
50m - Bastian Schweinsteiger
50m - Branco Zebec
50m - Bruno Conti
50m - Carlos Valderrama
50m - Ciro Ferrara
50m - Clarence Seedorf
50m - Dejan Savicevic
50m - Denis Law
50m - Dennis Bergkamp
50m - Didier Deschamps
50m - Diego Simeone
50m - Dunga
50m - Enzo Francescoli
50m - Eric Gerets
50m - Fabien Barthez
50m - Ferenc Bene
50m - Fernando Hierro
50m - Florian Albert
50m - Franck Ribery
50m - Frank De Boer
50m - Frantisek Planicka
50m - George Weah
50m - Gerson
50m - Graeme Souness
50m - Gunter Netzer
50m - Gyorgy Sarosi
50m - Gyula Grosics
50m - Hristo Stoichkov
50m - Jean Tigana
50m - Jimmy Johnstone
50m - John Barnes
50m - John Charles
50m - Johnny Rep
50m - Jose Leandro Andrade
50m - Jose Manuel Moreno
50m - Jose Nasazzi
50m - Josef Masopust
50m - Jozsef Bozsik
50m - Juan Alberto Schiaffino
50m - Juan Sebastian Veron
50m - Kaka
50m - Karl-Heinz Schnellinger
50m - Laurent Blanc
50m - Luigi Riva
50m - Luis Monti
50m - Luis Pereira
50m - Luis Suarez (Uruguay)
50m - Luka Modric
50m - Manuel Amoros
50m - Marco Tardelli
50m - Mario Zagallo
50m - Marius Tresor
50m - Matthias Sammer
50m - Matthias Sindelar
50m - Maxime Bossis
50m - Michael Ballack
50m - Nandor Hidegkuti
50m - Neville Southall
50m - Neymar
50m - Nils Liedholm
50m - Obdulio Varela
50m - Oleg Blokhin
50m - Oliver Kahn
50m - Omar Enrique Sivori
50m - Oscar Ruggeri
50m - Paolo Rossi
50m - Patrice Evra
50m - Patrick Jennings
50m - Piet Keizer
50m - Pirri
50m - Preben Elkjaer
50m - Raul
50m - Ricardo Carvalho
50m - Rinat Dasayev
50m - Rivaldo
50m - Robert Rensenbrink
50m - Roberto Ayala
50m - Roberto Donadoni
50m - Ronald Koeman
50m - Rui Costa
50m - Ruud Van Nistelrooy
50m - Sol Campbell
50m - Stefan Effenberg
50m - Teofilo Cubillas
50m - Thomas Muller
50m - Toninho Cerezo
50m - Tostao
50m - Ubaldo Matildo Fillol
50m - Uli Stielike
50m - Uwe Seeler
50m - Velibor Vasovic
50m - Vladimir Beara
50m - Wim Van Hanegem
50m - Xabi Alonso
50m - Zlatan Ibrahimovic

30m - Ademir Da Guia
30m - Ademir Marques De Menezes
30m - Adolfo Pedernera
30m - Alain Giresse
30m - Alan Hansen
30m - Alan Shearer
30m - Alberto Spencer
30m - Alcides Ghiggia
30m - Aldair
30m - Allan Simonsen
30m - Amadeo Raul Carrizo
30m - Anatoliy Demyanenko
30m - Andoni Zubizarreta
30m - Andres Mazali
30m - Angel Labruna
30m - Arsenio Erico
30m - Barry Hulshoff
30m - Billy Wright
30m - Branco
30m - Branko Stankovic
30m - Brian Laudrup
30m - Carles Puyol
30m - Carlos Gamarra
30m - Cesc Fabregas
30m - Christian Panucci
30m - Christian Vieri
30m - Claudio Gentile
30m - Dan Petrescu
30m - Danny Blanchflower
30m - Danny Blind
30m - David Ginola
30m - David Seaman
30m - David Villa
30m - Davor Suker
30m - Deco
30m - Denis Irwin
30m - Didier Drogba
30m - Dixie Dean
30m - Emlyn Hughes
30m - Ernst Ocwirk
30m - Esteban Cambiasso
30m - Frank Lampard
30m - Gaizka Mendieta
30m - Gary Neville
30m - Gheorghe Hagi
30m - Gheorghe Popescu
30m - Giampiero Boniperti
30m - Giampiero Combi
30m - Giancarlo Antognoni
30m - Gianluca Pagliuca
30m - Gianluca Zambrotta
30m - Gianni Rivera
30m - Gilmar Dos Santos Neves
30m - Giuseppe Meazza
30m - Grzegorz Lato
30m - Gunnar Gren
30m - Gunnar Nordahl
30m - Hans-Georg Schwarzenbeck
30m - Hans-Peter Briegel
30m - Harald Schumacher
30m - Hector Chumpitaz
30m - Hristo Bonev
30m - Hugo Sanchez
30m - Ian Rush
30m - Igor Netto
30m - Iker Casillas
30m - Jair Da Costa
30m - Jan Ceulemans
30m - Jan Popluhar
30m - Jari Litmanen
30m - Jean-Marie Pfaff
30m - Jimmy Greaves
30m - Jocelyn Angloma
30m - John Terry
30m - Jorginho
30m - Jose Antonio Camacho
30m - Jose Luis Chilavert
30m - Juan Joya
30m - Juan Roman Riquelme
30m - Junior
30m - Jurgen Klinsmann
30m - Just Fontaine
30m - Kazimierz Deyna
30m - Kenny Dalglish
30m - Kevin Keegan
30m - Ladislao Kubala
30m - Ladislao Mazurkiewicz
30m - Leonidas
30m - Liam Brady
30m - Lucio
30m - Luis Enrique
30m - Manfred Kaltz
30m - Manuel Sanchis
30m - Marc Overmars
30m - Mario Coluna
30m - Mario Corso
30m - Mario Kempes
30m - Mauro Tassotti
30m - Michael Essien
30m - Michael Owen
30m - Michel
30m - Neil Franklin
30m - Nemanja Vidic
30m - Nobby Stiles
30m - Paolo Montero
30m - Paul Gacoigne
30m - Pep Guardiola
30m - Pepi Bican
30m - Petr Cech
30m - Phil Neal
30m - Phillip Cocu
30m - Pierre Littbarski
30m - Rainer Bonhof
30m - Ricardo Zamora
30m - Riccardo Ferri
30m - Rinus Israël
30m - Robert Jarni
30m - Robert Pires
30m - Robert Prosinecki
30m - Roberto Perfumo
30m - Robin van Persie
30m - Ronnie Hellström
30m - Ruben Ayala
30m - Ruben Sosa
30m - Sergi Barjuan
30m - Sergio Busquets
30m - Stefan Reuter
30m - Tarcisio Burgnich
30m - Tom Finney
30m - Valentino Mazzola
30m - Valery Voronin
30m - Walter Zeman
30m - Walter Zenga
30m - Wayne Rooney
30m - Willi Schulz
30m - Willy Sagnol
30m - Wim Suurbier
30m - Wolfgang Overath
30m - Yaya Toure
30m - Ze Roberto
30m - Zizinho
30m - Zvonimir Boban
 
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The values allotted to players are arbitrary and not purely based on their talent. Popularly picked in demand players have higher values than some not so popular but more talented players. They are also tweaked to encourage or discourage bidding.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The values allotted to players are arbitrary and not purely based on their talent. Popularly picked in demand players have higher values than some not so popular but more talented players. They are also tweaked to encourage or discourage bidding.
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i thought thats the case but still, there are 2 names in 100M pool that should go to 150M based on popularity in drafts. But im aware its a crappy job to do this type of list and there will always be someone that wont agree with you so id just say, good job Edgar :)
 
Good stuff Edgar.. the rules look scary as hell though, it is going to be madness indeed!
 
Luiz Ronaldo at 100m is a joke IMHO. In caf drafts he is the a better vote winner than C.Ron, Messi, Cryuff, Eusebio etc. Only Maradona and Pele are better vote winners than him.
 
- I am also against 10m minimum increment since it significantly favors those who can log in at the right time and nominate player at his base price. At least for the first 4 hours of the nomination, the increment should be 5m.

- Finalizing bid after 12 hours also seems wrong. Past experience in auction drafts suggested 16-24 hours is fine. Generally auction drafts end way sooner that snake ones, so time should not be an issue.
 
crappycraperson said:
Finalizing bid after 12 hours also seems wrong. Past experience in auction drafts suggested 16-24 hours is fine. Generally auction drafts end way sooner that snake ones, so time should not be an issue.
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I remember 12 hours being used. Think it's enough. In snake drafts you have 8 hours window, so you are expected to be online inside that timeframe, here it is 12.
 
For the player trading on the reinforcement round, it's only between the advanced teams, right?
 
crappycraperson said:
Luiz Ronaldo at 100m is a joke IMHO. In caf drafts he is the a better vote winner than C.Ron, Messi, Cryuff, Eusebio etc. Only Maradona and Pele are better vote winners than him.
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Fair point. Tweaked.

crappycraperson said:
Trading is going to make this very messy IMO. At least 3 bust ups during the draft I am betting at.
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It's just an experiment. Spectacular meltdowns are fun to watch anyway!
 
List looks perfect now! Well done and I appreciate all the hard work to put this together.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
And while we are at this I may try to go full Blatter and offer some votes for sale. $30m to bank for every vote. Sign up here. Not really!

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I'll play with no team and 20 votes. Hopefully not many bother voting :lol:
 
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