Do you mean 32 managers or the somewhere in between 16 and 32?
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Do you mean 32 managers or the somewhere in between 16 and 32?
32 in an auction.
Isn't that what we all love?
To keep it semi reasonable I'd say no more than 4 bids per manager at a time. Still 128 bids possibly at any one time, but highly unlikely to happen that way with everyone on separate players.
Even with 24-32 players, auction draft for all time pool is only going to work if we limit the nominations.
One idea could be to limit the nominations by going through different era. That is start with 20s or 30s (player born in that decade) and limit every manager to put a maximum of 2 players on the auction board for that decade. At one point only players from 2 decades can be on the board so as soon as all the players from the earliest most decade have been bought off the board then people can start nominating players from next decade.
This will also mean people don't out wait each other on putting some GOATs on board. This way people know the order in which certain players will come and if they want they can save funds for some down the line. People will have different plans, some will have same plans, leading to bidding wars.
One idea could be to limit the nominations by going through different era. That is start with 20s or 30s (player born in that decade) and limit every manager to put a maximum of 2 players on the auction board for that decade. At one point only players from 2 decades can be on the board so as soon as all the players from the earliest most decade have been bought off the board then people can start nominating players from next decade.
This will also mean people don't out wait each other on putting some GOATs on board. This way people know the order in which certain players will come and if they want they can save funds for some down the line. People will have different plans, some will have same plans, leading to bidding wars.
You guys are mental 
maybe a regular snake draft would be a better option with 32 people....
Absolutely bonkers and not sure how it will be particularly enjoyable.
Good idea. Give, say, 2 or 3 days for each decade.
That's not a bad call although I wouldn't put the maximum part in. Allow people to build sides from whatever era they want, but they will have to wait if they want to stack from 1 particular era.
It'll be the first time we've done a draft with 32 people won't it? Probably the best idea to go that way about it tbh.
Only way this could work is some form of group stage with two simultaneous auctions.
Group A players can't bid for Group B players and vice Versa.
32 all bidding at same time trying to out bid each other will be a car crash.
Group A players can't bid for Group B players and vice Versa.
32 all bidding at same time trying to out bid each other will be a car crash.
Added this part - "At one point only players from 2 decades can be on the board so as soon as all the players from the earliest most decade have been bought off the board then people can start nominating players from next decade."
The way auction works, a bid war on a single player can last 3-4 days so you can't enforce any decade/era being completely done first before moving on to next- it would lead to a lot of downtime for most of the managers.
In the past we went with a limit on players on board at once and managers had to wait for it to clear up and a time deadline to nominate any (there was a separate nominate list in some).
For virgins like me (excluding the FM Legends draft which is taking a ...... pause), how does an auction draft work?
Think simple explanation then dumb it down a bit.
Think simple explanation then dumb it down a bit.
Maximum part is only for nominations. if u want to build a side from 30-50 let's say then you will have as many as 192 players to choose from on the board (assuming 32 managers, for 16 it will be 96). Yes at times, you won't be able to nominate some player you wanted to put on but others did n't. But that is the point of auction draft, with too much leeway it turns into a snake one with people picking their choices for minimum bid amount
Go through some of this thread - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/all-time-british-irish-fantasy-draft.398422/
A snake draft is the last thing you want with 32 people. Auction means you can be as active as you wish, which is good, but having 31 other chaps potentially raising a bid at the death will be a nightmare (maybe the time windows have to be looked at, or the minimum increments). Best format for multiple managers is sheep really, although it would require rather broad challenges (e.g. anyone who ever scored in a World Cup).
32 seems unreasonable number, 3-4 managers would lose interest mid way and go AWOL.
24 is doable. We can give the 8 managers with least budget spent a bye in round 1. (Only if there is a limit on number of players you can buy in subsequent rounds)
24 is doable. We can give the 8 managers with least budget spent a bye in round 1. (Only if there is a limit on number of players you can buy in subsequent rounds)
What did I get into here?
What did I get into here?
I have the UK draft write up ready to goYep.
Come on... that would be crazy. You could end up waiting a week for your next pick
23 and struggling. I don't think we'll have interest for 32. I'll give this some more time and pare it back to 16.
Well, with average pick times breaking ties it wouldn't be as long as it otherwise would but still could be ages and totally soul destroying. After the 1st GOAT pick there's 62 picks.
I'll give it a miss, watch others..... 22.
Well, with average pick times breaking ties it wouldn't be as long as it otherwise would but still could be ages and totally soul destroying. After the 1st GOAT pick there's 62 picks.
Yeah imagine being at either end of that snake
Just make it snake , auction would be too much.
while we are in madness territory, could it work if we started the snake on both ends in the same time? Flip a coin for a first pick between n1 and n32 and after that who first his girl method.
would be fun thats for sure.
I'll pass for now unless you absolutely need someone to play.
Auction with 32 is a bad idea. All time unrestricted 32 is awesome. Carnage stuff with chance coming once every 2 days
Auction with 32 is a bad idea. All time unrestricted 32 is awesome. Carnage stuff with chance coming once every 2 days
I reckon the auction with fixed decades would be a good one as someone mentioned earlier.
2 days to nominate for each decade. Can't put a limit on how long each decade will last as there will be bidding wars that drag on.
If we did 9 decades the drafting would last just over 18 days which for a draft that size would be quite quick really.
In fact after checking myself I don't think you'd need 9 separate decades.
People born 20s - 30s all the way up to born 90s - 00s is only 8 so make that 16 days.
All time snake drafts have been done too many times. Even with some restriction it is all the same. Auction drafting can be great fun. Just limit the managers to 16, people can pair up. Indync has already PMed me for the same
Fixed decades removes a bit of the fun and uncertainty for me personally.
I can come around the idea of an auction draft if it is well run with 32 players.
Imagine the chaos of following the bidding for 32 players. I'd probably have to take help from interns at work even as a manager of a team
With 32, it would be way more diluted and would have a real mix of players like never before in any of the all time drafts before this.
Imagine getting Maradona as pick 1 and then seeing all your favorites going away till the 64th pick.
The meltdowns would be amazing
One more suggestion I have is to block R1 and R2 picks for reinforcements in drafts from here on. Or at least as a trial in one or two drafts
The real skill in reinforcing your team is to do it using not elite players while keeping the original core intact.
The real skill in reinforcing your team is to do it using not elite players while keeping the original core intact.
Ah yes the old EAP reinforcement block. In case of an unrestricted All-time makes a lot of sense to stop uber teams. That is if it is a snake. Wouldn't work in an auction format
There is a fine line between happy chaos and anarchy leading to meltdowns all over the shop. Last auction draft we were right on that line and that was simply a result of lists clashing as they were updated almost simultaneously. Double that with lots of managers and we'll end up back to 16 as dummies are spat out and managers vote with their feet.
That said, you've done an all-time auction draft before, as well as all-time snakes, so you might want to think of something novel to keep the concept fresh, particularly if it's the same old pool again. @Edgar Allan Pillow Happy to help out at the back end if needed.
That said, you've done an all-time auction draft before, as well as all-time snakes, so you might want to think of something novel to keep the concept fresh, particularly if it's the same old pool again. @Edgar Allan Pillow Happy to help out at the back end if needed.
Yeah I love the pool thinning idea. Although getting Maradona or Messi plus the 64th and 65th best player is going to be a lot better than getting the 32nd and 33rd best. The snake just isn't designed to redress that balance.With 32, it would be way more diluted and would have a real mix of players like never before in any of the all time drafts before this.
Imagine getting Maradona as pick 1 and then seeing all your favorites going away till the 64th pick.
The meltdowns would be amazing
Well, I'd say a top notch CB pairing at pick 32/33 is as good as having Maradona in a draft where everyone would get on average 4 of the elite players of all time.
Of course, if it was up to me, I'd block Maradona from all drafts. That fecker tilts games almost singlehandedly on here.
No one else does that, not even Pele.
In a general sense, I do sort of agree with you and we could have a short block list for such balance shifting bastards
Pele, Maradona, Di Stefano, Cryuff, Kaiser, Messi - Cant think of anyone else who could do that in general.
That starts us off with Ronaldos, Platini, Matthaus, Garrincha etc which is good enough and balanced.
A few drafts ago, I did suggest an idea which I think was never played here. Didn't get much traction but was something like this.
Would work for an all time context while blocking lots of players on the way.
Wud work only for 16 teams, but from R2 onwards , every players gets to make 1 pick for himself and 1 block pick.
Something like below
1. Maradona
2. Pele
3. Cryuff
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14. 1. Van Basten 2. Zico (block Zidane)
15. 1. Garrincha 2. Faachetti (block Carlos)
16. 1. Matthaus 2. Baresi (block Scirea)