Couldn't agree more. It won't age well, makes it look imbalanced and disproportionate. and to be quite frank, it's arrogant to assume that the whole of Manchester wants to see 3 spires sticking out in the skyline, that will surely just look like permanent cranes in the distance. Given its location, it needs to blend into the surrounding area, not stick out obnoxiously like evil lair to the final boss of late stage capitalism. More is not always necessarily better. The Allianz area should be the gold-standard blueprint to what all arenas should look like. Sleek, modern and timeless, that blends into the city seamlessly, rather than this abomination they've cooked up.
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Couldn't agree more. It won't age well, makes it look imbalanced and disproportionate. and to be quite frank, it's arrogant to assume that the whole of Manchester wants to see 3 spires sticking out in the skyline, that will surely just look like permanent cranes in the distance. Given its location, it needs to blend into the surrounding area, not stick out obnoxiously like evil lair to the final boss of late stage capitalism. More is not always necessarily better. The Allianz area should be the gold-standard blueprint to what all arenas should look like. Sleek, modern and timeless, that blends into the city seamlessly, rather than this abomination they've cooked up.
I absolutely love the design, looks so unique and the trident is a great concept. I know people might not like the idea of the 'tent' but it's incredibly practical and fans will appreciate it given the amount of covered room accessible, it makes the space feel so much larger and spacious inside.
I think the glass enclosure is crucial, I could see the tridents changed somehow (shortened, moved or a different shape).
Been to the Allianz during the off season. I'm sure it's great when there's a match on, but it's boring as feck otherwise. Nothing around it either, except a motor way. I wouldn't want anything like that.
The design wouldn't have been my first choice, but then what the feck do I know? It's likely everyone will have a different opinion/taste, and I'm definitely not going to listen to rival cnuts calling it a circus tent. I imagine it'll look amazing when it's finished, probably different to the designs anyway, but they'll still call it a circus tent because they're rival cnuts who just want to shit on the club.
I don't want us to copy anyone. I like the fact they're trying to be unique as possible. I'm also going to trust that one of greatest architects to ever live knows what he's talking about.
Agreed with every word there. Rival fans are already ripping it. At this point I am convinced Jim is not a United fan and is secretly enjoying this . We have become a laughing stock since he arrived. Really wish he would go away
The Allianz Arena is constantly joked about as being a rubber dinghy, looks utterly boring when not illuminated, isn't even in the city but sits in a butt-ugly industrial area on the very rim of Munich and causes traffic jams on the adjacent highway during match days. Not really what I'd use as my prime example for a modern stadium, especially when talking about "blending in seamlessly".
Why do you think that it won't age well, or that it looks imbalanced or disproportionate?
As for people maybe not wanting to see it... well that's the thing with any sort of art or landmark, not everyone will love it. Others might totally adore it, and with time it might become a symbol of the town or region - or a joke. All a question of personal perspective and execution.
Why are we so concerned what rival fans think? We could have our stadium to achieve similar architectural status as Taj Mahal and rival fans would still find ways to joke about it. And who cares if they call us a bunch of clowns at a circus when we are losing, they will mock us regardless - like we do to them.
Has anyone asked the question yet btw what is supposed to be that box thingy near the top of the center trident? Bungee jumping platform?
It's where poor signings and managers get thrown off of.
Like Tiberius' Leap on Capri. Much needed.
Attestupa!!!!
I love it. Would truly turn the stadium into the home of the devils. Do bodies make good fertilizer for a pitch?
It's where the clowns jump off from into the tiny waterglass at the bottom. Sorry, nobody made a circus tent allegation on this page yet, had to do it.
I had first thought that it was a viewing platform but looking again it seems like it's purely a design element.
I mentioned it looked like a circus tent a few pages back. It’s obviously very apt given the club we’ve become.It's where the clowns jump off from into the tiny waterglass at the bottom. Sorry, nobody made a circus tent allegation on this page yet, had to do it.
I had first thought that it was a viewing platform but looking again it seems like it's purely a design element.
Yes, Allianz sure blends in right next to the highway.
This is the reason why this has to happen alongside the generation of the area. Bring in offices and apartments with the extra non-matchday footfall (visiting museum etc) and the area should still be busy. Hotel Football is always pretty busy for example.
I can’t believe the voting btw. How can anyone like this design??
Seriously, why do we even need rival fans on here when we've got people like you?
Yeah but that was a few pages ago. Somebody has to mention it at least once per page because it is such a new, smart and funny observation and the prime concern of the new stadium design should definitely be what sorts of jokes opposition fans can crack about it.
Are you often struggling with the idea that people might have different thoughts and likes/dislikes than you?
Correct. It definitely does look a lot closer to Dortmund/Cardiff ground on first look. As you also said, the next important thing is to fill supporters stand with die hard fans, but there are stadiums who are designed in a way it is almost impossible to make a proper atmosphere because the stands are moved so far away from the pitch.
This looks (in that sense) like its going in the right direction.
Glazer box. Safe throwing distance from fans.
Has anyone said its like a circus tent and it's apt because of the clowns running us yet?
It seems like a really funny joke so I hope noone has beaten me to it
It seems like a really funny joke so I hope noone has beaten me to it
Football stadium built for football is boring when there is no football. Exactly how it should be let's be honest, rather than stadiums built for everything except football but can just host football when it hasn't had a better offer.
They'll look great on the skyline to be fair. But the stadium would look far better without them.
It's reminiscent of a whimsical public attraction perhaps one featuring people who perform jokes and gags for an audience which invariably can draw metaphorical comparison to direction of one Manchester United Football Club PLC.
100% agree. I have no issue if the roof glowing red, but three poles glowing red visible from the peak district. Feels slightly embarrassing.
I like the stadium, but the the poles is just making it look, and come across, daft.
17,000 homes is a big local population to support bars and restaurants and retail etc...
It's page 30, you're late to the party
You’re the first to say this
Sure, but they have the opportunity to learn from and improve on the current standard of what is considered one of the great modern arenas. With OT being only a few miles from the city centre, only proves my point of it needing to blend in and serve the surrounding area and its current inhabitants, not just in the way of jobs created, but what it does to the quality of life of the people that live in the terraced houses in the immediate area. I'm sure the majority of all the working-class people that live in the area, are dreading the prospect of their neighbourhood becoming a tourist hotbed on a scale never seen before, eventually pricing them out of said area. That's not the moral fibre this club was built on, and it ostracising the very people that helped build this club from the ground up. Lots of people didn't want the Qataris anywhere near the club, in fear of grand plans that were out of touch with the club, and now here we are celebrating a stadium that fails to represent the club in any meaningful way, other than to spin-profits on an industrial scale, to widen the pockets of shareholders, further entrenching the Glazers and the rest of the shareholders. It may help the team from a football prospective, but must that come at the cost of the club being unrecogisable and out of touch with it's core fanbase?
I am open to a new home for the club, I really am, but what OT does, or did do really well was balance it's grandeur, boldness and status with blending into the area seamlessly, with the only disruption on matchdays, which is unavoidable in a city the size of Manchester.
Regarding the aging, I won't pretend to know much about architecture, but what I do know is that some of the fundamental principles of it are balance, harmony and proportion. Where in those designs do you see these things? It's the opposite and over time, and once the novelty has worn off, won't look too far off some of the knackered structures you see littered about in coastal towns like Blackpool and Brighton.
Because if we are going to build a new stadium I'd rather them be in owe, instead of seeing a glaring design flaw that instead gives them a reason to rip it instead - of which they aren't wrong.
Remove the three posts and it's great.
I personally think the trident thing was an after thought anyway after they had already designed it. I don't see how that's the most relevant thing could come up with as something to design the stadium around.
I hope they can see them from the emptihad
Kinda gutted OT will be torn down to be honest.
I doubt “annoying “ opposing fans will have anything to do with the plans now to be fair
It won't be ready in time for that.
We'll do what we want.
No one had! Which is surprising considering the genius, positive people we have as fans!
Afraid of change might be the correct thing to describe it but not for the reasons you think.
The new ground and whole area will be a theme park for tourists and corporates. The food outlets and bars sound great now but in reality, they'll be mega expensive. £15 for a fried chicken wrap or some loaded fries. Woop. Maybe £10 for a craft ale named after Gary Neville. Buzzing.
The inside of the ground actually looks OK but the atmosphere will depend on who's actually inside. The people who have tried (often in vain against over zealous stewarding and shite ticketing policies) to create the atmosphere will be pushed aside. Because (even though the club says otherwise) its priority (like it probably has been since the late 90s) aren't those slightly flawed characters that still make Old Trafford an interesting place to go because like you say, the old place still rocks sometimes.
And I don't think it has to blend in at all. As for the posts, perhaps 4 would've been better...a kin to the old school floodlights. Grounds really used to stand out.