Demotions to newbie forum = better idea with chance of improvment for demoted.
New forum for football talk
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Someone asked me about traffic increases, Weaste I think. There is only data going back for 4 years. The number of registered users per day has increased from 250-320 per day in august 03 to 1600-2100 per day recently. Daily post numbers averaged about 6-700 in mid 03 and are now averaging at almost 4000 per day with 5250 post days not unknown. In mid 03 we had days with 1 or 2 new registrations and a day with over 20 registrations was rare. More recently we have had quite a few days where over 100 people have registered and the record is 180 in a day. On average we are having at least 4x as many people sign up per month.
That is not good for the site, especially on matchdays, right ?
That's not so easy really. Some of you guys who have been on here longer will have old pals acts going on, and some people like me have abandoned the footy forum to a large extent because of the problems, so how would you know if I was a decent poster or not?
Davo clearly disliked me based purely on me giving him some stick back, but since he's never been in a debate with me (to my knowledge), then it would fall back on to the old pals act wouldn't it? It's the same the other way round too, I mean I've never really seen you or Davo post anything that stood out as quality to me so much, not that I'm saying you guys haven't and can't.
I think the best idea overall is for people who are supposedly great debaters who would raise the bar of the forum, should go back in there and lead by example. As it is, if everyone's hiding away from it (myself included), new people won't see how this site and it's forums work.
Did you?
fecking hell. Mass cull it is! Redcafe foot-in-mouth disease!
a couple of days ago i sent you two pms that you never answered
DO IT!!!
replied now. I somehow managed to turn my email notification off and didn't notice the 15 new messages
I agree, and I do see Davo's point and the need for something to happen. However I guess my main point to the other side is 50,000+ posts in a forum doesn't automatically make you a good poster. I'm not saying Davo isn't (I've no real problem with the guy!), but the attitude that a number means status is frankly absurd.
Like most people, I've been there and done it with being a senior member on a site seemingly going downhill, the only real way to fix it is for the people who have a problem with it all to go in and help show these new guys the way it's always been done on here.
It's about grabbing back the respect for the older posters and moderators, not trying to move aside from it all.
Hopefully that is what will happen in the new season.
Good. It would also help, for example, if when a Mod tells people to behave with specific instructions in a thread (for example when it descends into the usual slagging off farce), anyone thereafter who continues gets ghosted or banned for a short time (even a few hours) without further warning. At the moment, the mods are almost always ignored.
It might take a bit of time to get right, but then again if people don't like it they should listen to you guys in the first place.
Yeah understandable, the amount of crap posted in here is a good indicator of what you have to wade through in what could be a decent football thread thesedays....
My concern with a focus on just changing the level of moderation in the football forum is that it'll be confusing, and may end up going too far the other way. I'm not suggesting we should look to remove the banter, and in some cases decent abuse from the Caf altogether....if you remove this it loses it's edge and the traffic will die down too much.
Plus, if posters are worried that anything off topic/non-serious they say could lead to a ban, the level of humour will be impacted. Mods will probably end up giving the longer serving posters more benefit of the doubt, which is fine...otherwise you get banned for calling Van a virgin or summat daft....but leaves new posters with little chance of being able to have a laugh.
The whole plan of "getting the better posters to act as an example" is too idealistic...the numbers of retards are too high now, hence this thread and the support for it amongst so many of the older/better posters.
If an "elite" forum is too much work, or totally off the agenda we'd be better served by just having an extra forum - you could call it "Davo's serious football discussion" or something equally as catchy. Let everyone in from the off, and then ban the spazzers as soon as they step out of line. Weaste's minimum words per post thing would work well here if it's doable.
Still think starting top down as opposed to idiots up would work better...you'd still get the infamous computer game/myspace gimps posting what they believe to be fair opinions, but which are actually spastic...without really crossing the line so that you could justifiably bin them
Your forum, your choice....just seems that more and more of the decent posters can't really be arsed anymore
As for some of the other points raised...
Not really arsed about how the newbie forum is scouted and understand the point re stopping invasions. The scouting clearly isn't working very well mind given the levels of muppets that get through
An "elite" forum wouldn't be about how many posts you've got. Yes it's easier to be noticed if you've been here years, but would prefer someone who doesn't post often like "Smiths Cove" to a spastic like Afro with loads of posts who'll send every thread off tangent with comments about how many posts I have or the like
Not really arsed about how the newbie forum is scouted and understand the point re stopping invasions. The scouting clearly isn't working very well mind given the levels of muppets that get through
An "elite" forum wouldn't be about how many posts you've got. Yes it's easier to be noticed if you've been here years, but would prefer someone who doesn't post often like "Smiths Cove" to a spastic like Afro with loads of posts who'll send every thread off tangent with comments about how many posts I have or the like
Fair comment, but there's still the problem of who picks these posters. You obviously haven't come across me in a football debate, but you instantly class me as one of the 'spazzers' because we swapped a few lines, let alone people you haven't already seen.
It's also easy to keep saying the 'oldest/best' posters are leaving, but how many because of the standard now and how many for entirely non-related reasons? Plus I still think it's a cop-out when you say it's too over-run for any of you to go back in, but surely it's worth a shot for the good of the site?
I can understand what you guys are getting at and why you want this forum, but I still haven't seen a feasible way of it working a completely new forum without splitting the site into two. Instead, I think certain older posters who have proved their worth (and yes, I include you in that) should be given limited powers in the football forum to help. At least then if someone stepped out of line you'd beable to temporarily do something about it (maybe ban from a thread, or the forum for 20mins?) until a mod can deem what you did either right or wrong? also if you did step out of line, the mods would have the power to reverse your decision.
I don't know if this is workable at all, but a balance has to be reached.
Now there's an idea. But why don't just go back to being a lot stricter in the football forum? If anyone dislikes it, then they should probably not have come out of the newbies anyway!
What would be the point? Might as well just clear out the football forum now and do the exact same thing....Having an extra forum won't make any difference.
I disagree.
The scouting system is working very well, if you were to take it away, you would still have the same idiots here. It's hard to explain, but this current system is better then the last.
You should promote ScipioAfricanus from the newbies, anyone with that name has to be great.
As for the elite forum - no, no, no. Baaaddd idea. You will end up with an apartheid Caf. Anyway, the onus is on every poster to use the 'Report Post' function if anyone is being a muppet. Maybe the mods could let people know that in the forum rules - that if someone is pissing around, report them.
As for the elite forum - no, no, no. Baaaddd idea. You will end up with an apartheid Caf. Anyway, the onus is on every poster to use the 'Report Post' function if anyone is being a muppet. Maybe the mods could let people know that in the forum rules - that if someone is pissing around, report them.
I've reported you Frosty.
I should have seen that coming
I know it could lead to snitching on a large scale, but surely if people are encouraged to report wind-ups etc., it will discourage people from posting crap.
How many posts get reported a day? Just wondering whether there would be any administrative/time issues with the idea?
I know it could lead to snitching on a large scale, but surely if people are encouraged to report wind-ups etc., it will discourage people from posting crap.
How many posts get reported a day? Just wondering whether there would be any administrative/time issues with the idea?
It's by far the better alternative. If people are really that annoyed about the current state of the Football Forum, then they should get over the 'snitching' factor and just report them....
Anyway, if they are asking for them to be banned in here, it's no different from reporting them, so it should be alright.
Anyway, if they are asking for them to be banned in here, it's no different from reporting them, so it should be alright.
how do you know that theres someone in there with that name?
I still think that for many it is easier to ignore or zone out blatant muppetry as opposed to reporting it, but maybe that is the sort of mindset everyone should have if they want the quality of the forums to be like they were?
Was going to say that. He's either a friend or it's a dual identity.
Brad? Pert?
Perhaps he saw them in the members list at the top of the page and when he clicked that persons profile, saw they were in the Newbies?
he he he.
Snitching isn't the problem. I am always reporting Newton FC for being a retard. You seem to think these idiots will somehow grow up to become great posters. What you're failing to comprehend is most of them are children. And that is the problem. This isn't some forum with Utopian ideals. No. It's a place where we can discuss football, have a bit of banter and talk about numerous other non football related stuff. However, as I've said a billion times, due to the age of the average poster, there's not much you can do. . . the only way is either; a separate forum for the posters with normal IQ levels or we could simply can all the spastics. Demote them for all I care.
It will be something very innocent, Frosty is probably the best poster we've had coming through this year.
Separating the forum would be disastrous Spoony.
All that needs to happen is a mass clean up, and the few idiots that are left there will be surrounded by better posters who will either force them to leave, or result in them being banned.
All that needs to happen is a mass clean up, and the few idiots that are left there will be surrounded by better posters who will either force them to leave, or result in them being banned.
I have to admit I have never used that function, not through fear of "snitching" or anything more laziness and a couldn't give a feck attitude. Maybe from now on I will make use of it, things will never change unless we all take responsibility for this.
I'm curious as to how exactly the caf has gone down hill. Obviously there are two many spastics now, but is it just the footy forum, or have they all?
Davo, Spoony, etc?
Davo, Spoony, etc?
This is getting ridiculous ...
Ban all the bin dippers I say.
That's Davo for you.
You are a prime example of why this is being discussed in the first place.
He should feck off and post on a different forum if he's so bothered about it. Closet United fan.
Idiot. The football forum would be extremely dull without the possibility to debate with rival fans. There are some mighty decent ones out there aswell. The two hammers, Spammy and JazzG for example.
True, but the dippers are bitter and deluded.
A lot of dippers are, but not all. Every team has idiots, but it's usually only the minority. Even Leeds have Marching to offer amongst the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
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