To me that's missing the point and the context. He was particularly called transphobic after making a joke about Caitlyn Jenner and Sports Illustrated, he answered to it in Equanimity by doing two things, clearly state that he was in support of the transgender community when it comes to their happiness and choices even if he personally don't fully understand and he also doubled down on his joke because that's what he does for everyone. Transactivists also doubled down on calling him transphobic which was only going to end in one way, The Closer.
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To me that's missing the point and the context. He was particularly called transphobic after making a joke about Caitlyn Jenner and Sports Illustrated, he answered to it in Equanimity by doing two things, clearly state that he was in support of the transgender community when it comes to their happiness and choices even if he personally don't fully understand and he also doubled down on his joke because that's what he does for everyone. Transactivists also doubled down on calling him transphobic which was only going to end in one way, The Closer.
If he can’t make jokes without offending the trans community then it seems to me he is running out of material.
That's not the case at all, this is specifically a response to the criticisms he's received about his previous trans jokes.
I found it funny as feck.
I've never really understood this seemingly newfound need people have of calling other people offended, or asking why they're offended if they have a certain opinion.
Is Chappelle offended by the reactions? Are the people in this thread who defend him offended? Or do they just disagree with the criticism, maybe they think it's wrong/stupid/misplaced? It's so weird.
but why target a minority community in the first place? just seems unnecessary. Especially when trans people have pointed out he is wrong on the issue.
I don't think he is targeting the trans community specifically. He is more likely targeting the people who tell him he can't tell jokes about them. Of course, this is Chappelle so he did exactly what you'd expect him to do in the scenario. Tell more jokes and try to offend more people.
Like it has been previously said, in Equaminity he made a few jokes about the trans people and got some criticism. He responded in his next special by saying he supports the trans community and a person's right to be happy, or something along those lines. Nobody listened to him, they were more interested in trying to 'cancel' him so he has doubled down and probably ended it there.
Offensive or not it's massively boring at this stage and these guys should use media platforms to take out this stuff and do something actually funny for stand ups.
I agree
I mean it is trans people whom he is addressing with this type of content. Because it is them who had to point out how wrong he is on the issue.
Because of the hypersensitivity surrounding them and the community. He knows exactly what he is doing.
Yeah, he does. And it is annoying to see people still insist on how ‘funny’ the whole thing is. Yeah, no shit. cis people have been making fun of trans people since forever. It isn’t new or groundbreaking material for a comedian. What’s new is trans people not being ok with being the subject. The slightest of pushback and results in an uproar about cancel culture.
It's definitely childish. For me the main issue with this special is that there was no new material which makes the uproar even more ridiculous.
I don't think it's particularly funny personally. I'm a fan of Dave and I'd rather he didn't go over the same stuff for like 3 specials. I appreciate that he's trying to make a point by doing it though.
You know, except for all the stand-up comedy that doesn't shit on marginalised groups.
That's one of the problems with it: He seemingly completely ignores that there are non-wite trans people. It's very "us vs them".
Why should any 'group' be off-limits in comedy and unable to be made fun of?
There are several ways to be allied with trans people. Whatever this is that Dave is doing ain’t one of them.
It's not like Jenner could've changed her name in the 60s, either. Now practically everyone acknowledges Ali, while a sizable portion either don't recognize Caitlyn or uses her new name while treating it as a delusion. So in addition to it not being funny, what's the point?
Why not?
Oh well. It was worth a punt. Proximity with a trans person doesn’t mean you can’t be transphobic or make stupid statements. It’s akin to saying, look pal I’ve got black friends alright! No way I can be racist!
I don't believe Dave is transphobic.
Telling jokes about trans people also doesn't make you transphobic.
I mean his material ain’t helping the cause. For several reasons as mentioned in the post I shared.
Black people, native Americans, Muslims, Chinese, Jews and countless other groups have the piss taken out of them in stand ups, DC didn't start it. Whether you think that should be off limits is a different argument.
I disagree personally. If anything it brings the issues further to the forefront if possible. Getting people to talk and to discuss this is the start of improving things.
It isn’t doing any of that though. If it did activists like the one I posted wouldn’t have to address his show.
So he speaks for the entire trans community. No that’s one person’s opinion.
Being an activists doesn't give your opinion more weight. Also we have transgender people saying the following:
I am more than happy to side with them. They do this for a living and know what they’re talking about. That’s just me though. If you’re unwilling to see the points they are making, then not much anyone can do to change your opinion.
There will be people in the community who side with Dave and against him. Who’s right?
You’re looking at it from a spectator pov. I don’t think that is the right way to approach the issue. Dave getting paid millions to write such material while trans people struggle for the bare minimum aren’t the same things. At the end of the day, Dave doesn’t get to experience or witness any of the transphobia that trans people face on a daily basis. And to paint him as a saint doing trans people a massive favor just misses the point altogether.
Trans people (all people) deserve to be treated fairly and the same. Although that's not the world we live in that is what I believe.
Treating trans people fairly includes making fun of them, just like comedians make fun of everybody else. If you exclude them from that then you are giving them preferential treatment and are treating them (or everybody else) unfairly.
Not necessarily unfairly but definitely differently. Now to be fair I don't know why people think that transgenders have to be treated differently, maybe there is a good reason.
Yeah, I don’t think this is “fair” or the right thing to do tbh. We’ll never agree on this. I don’t see why you absolutely feel the need to make fun of someone. It’s just weird af.
If you are a comedian it's part of the job.
Get the feeling Chappelle talking about trans issues is a way of padding out what is another poor special.
Like I said, I don’t necessarily agree with this premise. You can be a comedian without taking the piss out of someone who identifies as trans. It’s not that difficult.