His last 2 seasons have been very mediocre. Hoping he can return to the form he showed 3 seasons ago.
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His last 2 seasons have been very mediocre. Hoping he can return to the form he showed 3 seasons ago.
Speaking of 'winning formulas', Matic has won 2 PLs in 3 seasons and played a crucial role in both...
Not convinced by this signing. Not that Matic is a bad player or anything. In fact quite the opposite he is a great DM, with proven PL title winning experience. My biggest worry is that he won't be as mobile as is required. His age is decent at 28, but he's not a long term investment IMO. Of course that's not really a problem so long as he delivers whilst he is here. Unfortunately he's not like Carrick who offers a exceptional passing range.
Personally I would've wanted Fabinho, or even we could've gone in for Gueye who I rate. However, Matic is currently better than any of the current DM options we do have and hopefully we can use him to unleash Pogba up front. It feels like we're playing it too safe rather than being a bit more ambitious and taking a bit of a gamble.
Personally I would've wanted Fabinho, or even we could've gone in for Gueye who I rate. However, Matic is currently better than any of the current DM options we do have and hopefully we can use him to unleash Pogba up front. It feels like we're playing it too safe rather than being a bit more ambitious and taking a bit of a gamble.
I can see this transfer going exactly how Schneiderlin did
Happy with this. Hopefully we'll get 3 or 4 decent seasons from him. Makes our defence even more tight. And allows Pogba more to venture into the box frequently.
Yeah, because Matic doesn't have experience winning the league twice and playing under Mourinho. Mourinho knows exactly what he's getting, Matic will be a success here.
MY thoughts exactly. Carrick shouldnt be playing as often last season but having him in midfield 3 with Pogba and Herrera had positive results with the pretty amazing run in December.
HE might be a short term solution but if it means fighting back to the top of the league it would only be good for the teams confidence and would attract better players in the future.
What about the gamble of paying £89m for a very creative player and then asking him to defend deep in his own half? This is more about unleashing Pogba and Ander than it is about long term strategy.
The problem with Schneiderlin was he wasn't able to make the step up to a big club. Matic was a central part to two of Chelsea's title winning seasons. There's no comparison.
PL proven and worked with Mourinho successfully in a position we're lacking. This is a great signing, and will benefit Pogba too. Delighted.
Signing two players on the same day you mean
Am so underwhelmed.
Mainly due to his age to be honest. Add the crazy fee on top. Hmm
I see the logic behind the signing, but let's just say I won't be rushing out to get his name on my shirt. A solid 7/10 for me.
Mainly due to his age to be honest. Add the crazy fee on top. Hmm
I see the logic behind the signing, but let's just say I won't be rushing out to get his name on my shirt. A solid 7/10 for me.
Schneiderlin was great under Koeman and his particular system.
Luckily for Matic, he's coming back to the manager who's got a track-record of getting the best out of him.
The two cases are very different in that respect.
Of course it makes sense. Just like Ibrahimovic didn't suit Barca.
Yes only 3 years and not 10 years. Also, he is 29 not 39. If it were up to us internet fans , we will ask every footballers to retire when they turn 28.
He was far from bad last season, if anything he was an integral part to their success. Kante took all the headlines but matic performed pretty well , even though playing in a system that didn't suit him. He is best suited for a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 , both are Jose's pet system. I feel he will do a remarkable job here considering his game is not about pace but distribution and interception in which matic is very good.
I think if City were signing Matic for a decent fee we'd be getting some stick on here and everywhere else. It'll be interesting to see how Pogba can step up more with Matic in the side, but that'd be the most exciting thing about it really. Like any transfer we'll have to judge in 12 months.
I'm sorry but for £40m you want a player that can give you atleast 4/5/6 years IMO. Someone who can hang around long enough for the fans to build a rapport with.
Unless the player in question is a clear tier1 (RVP, Sanchez, Ronaldo, etc).
I think I'd actually prefer a (younger and English) if the fee is in this range (granted Dier would be a bit more).
I get no gratification from the money sitting in United's bank account. And once it's gone, I won't miss it. Transfer fees mean nothing to me. Just as product endorsements mean nothing. The sponsorship deal with Nissin Noodles is the flipside of any transfer, in that it's all about the bottom line. I couldn't give a shit about Tesco's finances either. Just give me football.
His age shouldn't be an issue. Matic has never been a lung-busting athlete. His physical decline is going to be gradual like Carrick's. We'll get another 4 seasons out of him at least. By which point Tuanzebe or whoever can step in.
I couldn't care less about the fee. I'm only talking about a gamble in terms of likelihood of success, and in that regard Pogba was pretty safe. Also neither he or Herrera should be completely relieved of defensive duties, that'd be silly. It's just about compensating, especially in the case of Pogba. Herrera is hard working and will most likely drop to help Matic when required.
Whether a DM can do his job or not is the most important thing, but that's what I'm questioning. Does Matic have enough mobility to get around? He was mixed last season and poor the season before. But he is proven being twice a PL winner. That's what I mean when I say we could be a bit more ambitious and bring in someone like Fabinho who is less of a guarantee, but could prove the better purchase in the long term. It just makes me wonder why Chelsea have decided to bring in a much younger and more dynamic DM.
He's as tier 1 as it gets for his position. And if he facilitates Pogba/Herrera playing to their potential, he's worth twice as much.
Upgrade on Fellaini in CM/DM, he actually has a positional sense and can pass a ball over more than 10 meters. He has no chest control though.
This is cash we won't be able to spend in the future IMO.
Price is irrelevant at this stage, assuming it's not something silly.
£20m, £30m, £40m, £50m. Doesn't matter compared to whether he's good enough to do the job we're buying him for.
If it's a successful buy, he's successful. It won't matter how much we had to pay Chelsea. Mourinho, rightly or wrongly, from working with him once before feels he's the one to get to do the job.
I expect United to pay Chelsea a bit more money for their players as we're rivals.
£20m, £30m, £40m, £50m. Doesn't matter compared to whether he's good enough to do the job we're buying him for.
If it's a successful buy, he's successful. It won't matter how much we had to pay Chelsea. Mourinho, rightly or wrongly, from working with him once before feels he's the one to get to do the job.
I expect United to pay Chelsea a bit more money for their players as we're rivals.
Schweinsteiger was back off a bad knee injury and had LVG. Honestly I didn't even think he performed badly for us.
I don't like it when people point to other transfers to extrapolate from this one. There are so many other factors affecting their performances outside of age, such as injury records, ambition to perform at the highest level, physical conditioning, relationship with managers, whether moving domestically or abroad, etc.
Is he worth £ 40 million? No
Is he what we need to strengthen our midfield? Yes
I say spend money on players rather than glazers keeping for themselves.
People here act as if we are buying a lee cattermole .Matic played an integral role in Chelsea winning 2 titles in last 3 seasons . And like I said he is 29 not 39. He can easily perform at the highest level for another 4 seasons.
Are Chelsea going to have any midfielders left at this rate?
What is the big deal with players reaching late twenties and avoiding them? Most of them are way more athletic than back in the day and Matic can offer us a solid 3seasons maybe even 4 or 5. We have too many young players if you ask me who are playing important roles in the team which dont get me wrong is great and I am all for it but we also need some maturity and experience and to setiously challenge for the title this season. Mourinho is deffinetly going for it I just hope he signs an lb and perisic.
I don't hate him or don't 'not rate him'. I see the pros.
I am just saying we don't seem to be as savvy as some other clubs in terms of how we splash insane amounts of cash.
40mil for Matic is probably 10mil too much but considering were a title rival and we made Lukaku chub them, it's probably a fair price. Won't lose any sleep over that price. I trust Jose to bring in the players he thinks we need and if Matic is his best player for that role, so be it. People need to stop creaming over Fabinho
Yes dier would have been a more glamourous option and he is young but spurs are not willing to sell him and if they would, they would not accept anything less than £60M. I will prefer to buy matic for £40 M than waiting and buying dier for £60M
Not caring about how we use our most expensive player is naive. We need to get the best out of Pogba and buying someone to allow him to be more effective further up the pitch is probably more important than having a mobile midfielder especially if we already have Ander.
I'd rather Matic, too. Dier is a total non starter. Spurs aren't willing to sell him and that's it.
Excellent news, get this done and then throw what we have to at Inter for Perišić and we'll be going into the new season with a much more balanced midfield, a liberated Pogba and a proper winger to give Lukaku the service he needs and provide some much-needed width to the squad.
Why are you comparing him to Fellaini? They are two different types of players. That's racist.
Fair enough, I see your point.
Ps while we're on the topic of Spurs players being unattainable even though they're on such low wages (relatively). How are their heads not turned by a potential 100-200% wage increase on offer on day 1 (incl a sign on bonus)?
I'm far, far more convinced by Matic than I ever was about Schneiderlin. He's pretty much a sure thing in that you know exactly what he'll bring and there's no question as to whether he can handle playing at a big club.
The main thing is that he'll free up Pogba and Herrera and will even allow more cover for the fullbacks to get forward.
Which other clubs, Chelsea have spent money on an unproven defender and jury is yet to be out on bakayako.
City are spending insane amount on Walker and Mendy ( who is not even that great defensively)
Of course price matters in a number of ways, Matic costing £50m or £20m could have a big impact on who else we buy, funds aren't infinite especially this summer it's gone crazy.
It also gives Chelsea who have been relatively quiet in the transfer market these past few years a bigger budget, this money basically pays for Bakayoko for example.
I don't get why fans suddenly think we have a never ending money pit it's nonsense.
'20m or 50m it doesn't matter!'...the feck.
Thats most likely due to the change to a back 3 and other teams being wise and aiming it away from the big lump in the middle
I think you're missing the point.
Firstly forget the Pogba fee. The fee is irrelevant. Focus on the quality. As it so happens Pogba is our most expensive, and most talented player and thus we should aim to build the team around him. I've already said twice that the role of our DM is to decrease (but not relinquish) the defensive burden on Pogba. That doesn't mean Pogba doesn't have to carry any defensive duty, but it's lessened.
However what I'm arguing is that Matic is not the most mobile midfielder and this could hinder his ability to be an effective DM. You say you want Herrera unleashed upfront so that puts even more defensive liability on Matic. As it is Herrera is very good although probably short of Kante's quality. But unlike Kante, Herrera will be expected to play a more pivotal role in the build up play offensively. This is why I feel someone like Fabinho could potentially be more effective. You do know Fabinho is a DM right? He will have an identical role to Matic, which is to patrol the back line and shield them.
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