I think many people have the same problem that Sir Alex himself had in the end - a difficulty in adjusting expectations along with the inflation in the market. He deemed rising prices as a passing thing and concluded 'no value in the market', and let the quality of the squad deteriorate. 300 m is the going rate these last two years IF you want to refurbish a first eleven and squad with the ambition of competing for both PL and CL honours.
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I think many people have the same problem that Sir Alex himself had in the end - a difficulty in adjusting expectations along with the inflation in the market. He deemed rising prices as a passing thing and concluded 'no value in the market', and let the quality of the squad deteriorate. 300 m is the going rate these last two years IF you want to refurbish a first eleven and squad with the ambition of competing for both PL and CL honours.
Regular player yes by some distance..
You see people say this quite a lot on this forum and it's never made any sense to me.
Fans care about the amount of money spent on a player because you can only spend it once. If you, for example, spend £35 million on Andy Carroll, you can't also spend it on someone who would actually improve your team. Seems simple.
Not to mention the fact that, in a not particularly complicated way, the money is coming from the fans. The Glazers aren't spending their own cash on players - every penny comes from ticket charges, TV charges, selling your attention to advertisers, and various other forms of commercialisation of the club.
How dare we buy a safe bet for our manager? I'm definitely not saying he's worth 50m but if he gives us 2-3 years of the football Mou got out of him, helping us to win the league then he could be well worth that inflated figure.
It's nothing to do with his name, in fact his name is obviously foreign sounding, it's what I and most other posters have witnessed over the last 3 seasons. He's an immobile limited player and we want to pay mega bucks for him. It's seriously like a rival coming in offering £50m plus for Fellaini (whom is a better squad option).
What a load of rubbish, he's easily one of their best.
We signed Bakayoko as an upgrade on Matic. Conte and the club think so anyways. He was the first player we were linked with and Conte's main choice. You think if Matic ended up staying here he'd start ahead of Bakayko? No chance. People are acting like Bakayoko is Lee Catermole, ffs.
And of course we have a choice. He's still got another year on his contract so it's not like we'd be forced to sell him now. If he goes it's because we receive a fee we can't turn down.
I'm a huge Jose fan but he's unessairly putting his head on the chopping block if this transfer happens.
I personally feel like signing Perisic and Mtic makes sense. It gives you experience in two positions where we're a little light in experience.
Yeah, because only Perisic and Matic can fit that grandiose strategy.
If you think that you need to watch a different sport.....
I don't rate this guy at all, he's been average for 3 years, surely there is someone out there better in his position?
No to mention that Chelsea want 50m for him after signing Bakayoko for 40...
No to mention that Chelsea want 50m for him after signing Bakayoko for 40...
There's two years on his contract according to transfermarkt. Not that it matters. If you receive a £50m offer for a 29yo DM that doesn't exactly fit in your starting XI plans you'd be mad not to sell even with 10 years on his contract.
Dunno why you even bother explaining,JM is landlord to majority of people here on CAF.
He hasn't been average for 3 years though.
No he was average for his first year at Chelsea and has been shite for the last 2
So, looks like the attempt to get Dier has not been not been met with success.
Care to name any others that are currently available ?
Well I wouldn't disagree too much with that, I'm just noting that we have paid that going rate and done the refurbishment with the players Mourinho requested (we've been at the cutting edge of these spiralling transfer fees) so if the team does fall short then there can be no excuse of an inadequate squad.
N'Zonzi and Danilo Pereira. Playing the same role for their clubs, cheaper and both big units.
By saying Matic is better than Bakayoko im calling Bakayoko Lee Cattermole? Common now.
That's what the Chelsea PR team will have you believe but I can assure you its not the case. Matic has wanted this move since last summer and CHelsea are not in a postion post ffp to throw away tens of millions they could reinvest in their squad. Mourinho himself said that whilst at Chelsea.
Do they fit Mourinho's profile though ? Seems he's looking for a certain player with a certain type of mentality.
William Carvalho too, he has a good passing range and he's a big unit. N'Zonzi and Danilo Pereira are a little less expressive with their passing, though probably a little better defensively.
Two PL's in three years, sure DM's like that are ten a penny, you're not going to tell me he didn't play a significant part in Chelsea's success, are you?
Not sure what that means, since Jose threw Matic under the bus. N'Zonzi has only gotten better since leaving Stoke and was one of the best midfielders in Spain. Danilo Pereira is arguably Porto's most consistent player.
N'Zonzi's passing was excellent last season. He thrived in that role given to him by Sampaoli.
Clearly we don't think Matic is better than him as you so definitively claim as we replaced him as soon as we could.
Chelsea are in a wonderful position financially. Better than ever before. If we wanted to, we could certainly force Matic to stay.
You could add several more to that list as well, there is no mythical profile, Matic is just a dog he's already beaten IMO.
Is Matic really that much of an upgrade on Fellaini/Carrick? Not for me he isn't for the assumed price/age. I do prioritise us needing a CDM over a winger but I think it's a limited market evidently. I'd like to see Perreira given more minutes to see how he'd operate in a 3 with Pogba/Herrera. We could start games like so and then bring on Carrick/Fellaini to protect slim leads / offer stability in the latter stages.
I can't believe those players are being mentioned as even being on a similar level as Matic. I really, really hope Matic signs and shows people what he's about.
Consider for a moment the absurdity of what you're suggesting. Do you think Jose and staff are that ignorant and incompetent that they don't know about all these players ? Of course not. They have extensive, detailed scouting reports on every player under the sun and have made the assessment that these are the players they want.
Nope, he is focusing on a serious title challenge next season, everything else would be a secondary consideration. He has to win first and foremost, he has the means to buy what he needs to win, and that's what he will attempt to do. This is why we brought him in, to get us challenging again, and he will continue to target experienced players who can regularly provide what he is looking for. That has what has worked for him before, and i don't believe he would change his thinking until after that success has been achieved. If he wins, his reward is more time in the job under much less pressure. Only then can he relax into his role and we shall at last see what sort of long term vision Mourinho may have for our future.
I do honestly think he hopes for a long term future here, but if he wants to remain a part of it he will have to provide short term success first.
Scouting analyst reports aside, I can't understand how anyone can put those players in the same category as Matic.
That's almost intentionally vague though. We could bring up anyone and he'd be dismissed for not being "a certain player of certain mentality" whatever that means. And how would you judge a player's mentality if you've not worked with them?
Skills wise and presence wise there are alternatives. Even experience wise. We could go get N'Zonzi from Sevilla who's got a £35m release clause and is more or less same age with many good seasons under his belt too.
It's just feels like a case of Mourinho being determined to go for a player he knows and he trusts. And there's nothing wrong with that on the face of it, the problem is we'll get fleeced by a rival club for a player that's not gonna have a resale value and maybe not many years left at the top. So yeah it's a high risk move.
I think that's going a bit too far to be honest, but admittedly I didn't watch much of Chelsea towards the end of the season.
Well, I wouldn't consider Matic a mistake, I just don't understand the insistence on him or Perisic, especially for the fees quoted. Generally I refuse to believe those reports that Dier and Matic are genuinely our best options for midfield.
I don't think so imo. Bailly, Lindelof, Pogba, Lukaku etc. are all very young still. Not to add the big role Rashford seems to have in his plans. I think he's going for a mix of experience and youth, which is understandable.
Theres more to scouting than picking out names whos playing well
Look at Morgan for example.
Can a player cope with the pressure of a big club? Bailly and Lindelof weakness is headers so maybe Matic ticks that box better than most?
Are they exposed on transitions? Are they tactically aware enough to know where to cover and when to support when we pen sides back?
Maybe he doesn't want 2 of the defensive spine being noobs to English football and needing time to settle in?
Some players are capable in a more technial, side to side league but could struggle to cope with a more pacey, direct game of football?
Are these other DMs so much better than Matic that it negates the risk?
Look at Morgan for example.
Can a player cope with the pressure of a big club? Bailly and Lindelof weakness is headers so maybe Matic ticks that box better than most?
Are they exposed on transitions? Are they tactically aware enough to know where to cover and when to support when we pen sides back?
Maybe he doesn't want 2 of the defensive spine being noobs to English football and needing time to settle in?
Some players are capable in a more technial, side to side league but could struggle to cope with a more pacey, direct game of football?
Are these other DMs so much better than Matic that it negates the risk?
and Of course this is the case. Managers buy players they want and who they know fit into their broader strategy. They don't buy players they don't want and who they don't think fit into their broader strategy. Buying for the sake of buying is obviously not a wise transfer policy as, from the Manager's perspective, you're then stuck with players you don't want and who you don't have any confidence in. Let Mourinho take care of the transfers and judge the results accordingly.
By the same token your suggesting that Chelsea don't have skilled scouts as they're willing to let him go.
I'm not suggesting that at all. We know that certain managers have different long term goals which occasionally frees up good players to move to other clubs. In Matic's case Chelsea bought him twice so I don't think you can make a credible argument that they don't rate him enough.
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