Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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I'd like to see a poll to find out how many United fans aren't happy with this. He wasn't my number 1 choice but he's a proven premier league winner who will surely do wonders for our midfield. You can't be against this signing?!

I haven't seen many figures for his price being chucked around either, how much is he costing?
 
Very good signing. Premier League proven, managers player and has exact attributes we lack in the squad.

In tough matches we will play with a 3 man midfield and can control the game.

In terms of age, fees and position, We have spent 20m to upgrade Schneiderlin for a year older Matic.

Ironically enough many hoped Schneiderlin would be our Matic, now we've got the real deal
 
I'd like to see a poll to find out how many United fans aren't happy with this. He wasn't my number 1 choice but he's a proven premier league winner who will surely do wonders for our midfield. You can't be against this signing?!

I haven't seen many figures for his price being chucked around either, how much is he costing?

Wasn't my number 1 choice either, but I'm pretty happy with him. A player that improves us, Jose knows very well and is always fit.
 
I'd like to see a poll to find out how many United fans aren't happy with this. He wasn't my number 1 choice but he's a proven premier league winner who will surely do wonders for our midfield. You can't be against this signing?!

I haven't seen many figures for his price being chucked around either, how much is he costing?
£40m is what is being reported by multiple outlets. Most likely all using same source.

I'm just glad we're signing a DM. Anything will be better than relying on Carrick next season. The fact that Jose wants him and knows him makes it okay in my book.
 
40m is 5-10m too much. Hopefully 30m base fee and he rest in addons meaning he's a success.

Either way, doesn't matter if he improves us and we win the league within the next two seasons.
 
Very good signing. Premier League proven, managers player and has exact attributes we lack in the squad.

In tough matches we will play with a 3 man midfield and can control the game.

In terms of age, fees and position, We have spent 20m to upgrade Schneiderlin for a year older Matic.
The last sentence is a good way of putting it. Nice context.
 
From José's most recent presser remarks, if anything he gave this rumour more oxygen to burn.

Kind of 50/50 on Matic (more 25/75 in all honesty), here's why.



On one side, JM being the manager knows what players he needs to fulfill certain positional needs and he obviously rates Matic + has a proven history with him. Matic would be a flavourless signing in that he'll get the job done, you'd know what you're getting in him, and the level he's at atm is pretty much as good as it'll get with him (already showing initial signs of slowing down/decline) ....on the other hand, there's a youngster in Fabinho who'll be worth slightly more but will be someone who can grow with the new core and give us many years of prime production while being a tasteful addition to the squad.

However, there's also a fine line between having proven players in which you know for certain what they'll be able to bring to the table vs having younger players who are raw but promising and just need playing time to cement themselves as viable options. Pretty much carbon copies of what's happened with Lukaku/Rashford and hopefully soon to be Perisic/Martial; there's a proven guy and an up and coming guy who both offer different dynamics while also creating healthy competition amongst one another. Using the same logic for the CDM situation, I prefer Fabinho 75-25 over Matic strictly because we already have the proven guy in Carrick. Matic is up there in age himself and like I said is already showing signs of slowing down. Yes he's the same age as Perisic but Perisic has a handful of prime years left in him whereas Matic has added up a ton of mileage over the years and clearly has more wear and tear on his body / will lead to him declining sooner than Perisic. I just think it'd be more cost effective for United to buy Fabinho, instead of buying Matic at a similar cost + having to spend even more money down the road to buy his replacement in a couple years time. But what's money to United anyways? Fact of the matter is they'll buy anyone who they deem best suited for the team regardless of what stage they are at in their career.

And then there's the aspect of JM wanting his style of player aka the specialist. Just as he did with Lukaku, he wanted a target man and got his guy over other market options. Similarly here, I'm certain he wants a destroyer in which case you can't blame him for pursuing Matic. Fabinho is more well rounded compared to Matic in that he can dribble, has vision, and can make the regular long pass. He's physically gifted too being his greatest attribute but he's just quite not at that destroyer level which Matic is. A point can be made how Lukaku/Rashford and Perisic/Martial will/would offer different dynamics at their positions, likewise so would Matic/Carrick. Carrick is a lot closer to the type of player Fabinho is vs Matic in that he's sound with the ball and has the ability to hit open guys (ball skills). So it makes sense in that regard if Mourinho chose Matic because there'd be a bigger discrepancy in Matic/Carrick vs Carrick/Fabinho; a broader spectrum to pick and choose a lineup from against specific opponents.



...take that all into consideration and you have to respect whichever one it ends up being. Matic essentially means José is going for the conservative approach and wants to be as competitive as possible now (which again you can't blame with his and the clubs ambitions + Mourinho's amazing trackrecord during the 2nd year at clubs). Fabinho means José would be more flexible into slowly incorporating him into the squad, waiting a year or 2's time, while moulding him into the destroyer sepcialist he seeks but also lessening the chances of being as good of a team as possible right now. Which also means lowering odds of competing for the league having more so of an experiment than a sure thing in Fabinho but again, an argument could be made we can afford to take on the younger player in Fabinho over Matic since we already have that sure thing in Carrick who would make any potential growing pains very reasonable to cope with.

Because of the latter, I'd personally prefer Fabinho 75-25. One time buy (also the sexier buy) who'd grow with the core instead of Matic, then buying his replacement shortly after which would only disrupt chemistry and the flow of the club. BUT I won't be engulfed in rage if we get Matic over him either :lol: If José thinks it's that big of a difference between the 2 that he has to get Matic to maintain a certain level of squad certainty, then so be it - it'd only mean he's that more inclined to win now than later so no way you can be upset at that. Wouldn't be the end of the world by any means and José pretty much has to be dead certain Matic works to a tee to justify the risk-reward in choosing one over the other otherwise there'll be a considerable amount of backlash as with anything as controversial such as this.

Long ass fecking read, my apologies but def worthwhile. Just shedding light on the CDM situation and showing both sides of the story. Please don't get mad at me :rolleyes::D:angel:

José is all in.

No way anyone can be mad at a manager who wants certainty in his players and wants the best chance to win. For many teams, they don't have the luxury to choose between a prime aged for sure player or a younger promising player.

...like I mentioned, even though I preferred Fabinho for CDM, seeing what Mourinho's ambitions are have to be content at this.
 
Now let us hope that Jose gets his dreams fulfilled, or at least pretty. Damn. Close. The four signings - if nailed by Goody Ole Woody - will make for a happy coach, new dressing room dynamic, a more
I think Matic will be decent in his role- I must admit, though, don't smell the title, I smell heartbreaking second, but I'll be delighted to be lproved wrong.
 
I know tonight's friendly was a walk over, but it still threw up some interesting observations to me, 1, Pogba has to be given more freedom, 2, Pereira, Fellaini or Herrera Are NOT holding/defensive midfielders, we only have Carrick for that role, he simply can't play every match so we need back up or competition.
Regardless of the endless debate, how many are better than Matic ?
 
To me Matic is the most complete footballer today. You look at his physics, intelligence, ability etc - everything all together makes him unbeatable. You just can't get anywhere close to him. If we land this guy I'm going to celebrate as if we won the league title, because that's where we're heading if he comes. This is our Mr X for the summer. Mourinho, please get on the phone and have a talk with your Chelsea buddies and try to make this deal happen.
 
I suppose nobody ever gets excited about foundations of a building. Yet it's the most important aspect of any property. This signing is similar. Not very exciting but just as important.
Couldn't agree more.

The muppets will be losing their shit though - he's not a showstopping signing and he's 25 years too old.
 
Feeling really good about this signing. Probably exactly what was needed rather than a 'star' name. We already have potentially the best midfielder in the world and a selfless team man should be exactly what we need to get the best out of Pogba (and Herrera for that matter). Chuffed.
 
To me Matic is the most complete footballer today. You look at his physics, intelligence, ability etc - everything all together makes him unbeatable. You just can't get anywhere close to him. If we land this guy I'm going to celebrate as if we won the league title, because that's where we're heading if he comes. This is our Mr X for the summer. Mourinho, please get on the phone and have a talk with your Chelsea buddies and try to make this deal happen.
Are you serious?
He just cant be.
 
I suppose nobody ever gets excited about foundations of a building. Yet it's the most important aspect of any property. This signing is similar. Not very exciting but just as important.

Similar to Carrick when he joined in 2006 as just the main transfer for United. Fingers crossed Matic can have a great career at United.
 
To me Matic is the most complete footballer today. You look at his physics, intelligence, ability etc - everything all together makes him unbeatable. You just can't get anywhere close to him. If we land this guy I'm going to celebrate as if we won the league title, because that's where we're heading if he comes. This is our Mr X for the summer. Mourinho, please get on the phone and have a talk with your Chelsea buddies and try to make this deal happen.

:)
 
Feeling great about this. We haven't had a proper destroyer type CM in a while and will allow Pogba and Herrera to really shine.
 
Many are suggesting that we're getting a Chelsea cast-off.

I think there's just as much chance that Matic said he wanted to join United and they wouldn't talk further until they'd bought Bakayoko as his replacement.

He'll be a great signing. Get ball, give ball. 40+ games a season. We need that type of player and we now have one. Zero complaints.
 
He is not wanted by Chelsea and subsequently wanted by us, its that simple. If we aspire to be better than them, it makes little sense buying players who aren't good enough to find a position in their team. He might prove me wrong but my reasoning seems fair, until he proves his worth, this is my stance.... I'm open to the notion than he may prove me wrong within his first game.
 
He is not wanted by Chelsea and subsequently wanted by us, its that simple. If we aspire to be better than them, it makes little sense buying players who aren't good enough to find a position in their team. He might prove me wrong but my reasoning seems fair, until he proves his worth, this is my stance.... I'm open to the notion than he may prove me wrong within his first game.

I argue against your reasoning with Real Madrid selling Sneijder and Robben.
Barca selling Eto'o.
Clubs sell players all the time who do well elsewhere.
Do you really think we couldn't be improved by Barca reject Sanchez?
 
I think he'll be a lot better than everyone thinks. Last year, he and Kante were lauded as the best midfield duo in the country. I can see why he isn't deemed 'worth a 40 million pound footballer' by the majority of us. He had an awful season under Jose and the consensus seems to be that he is getting older and slower.

What we are getting however is a 28 year old, left-footed defensive midfielder who has won premier league titles while consistently being in the starting line-up for his team. When you forget the name and see what he has done throughout his career bar that one season, I think we've done alright acquiring him.

I think a midfield 3 of Herrera, Matic and Pogba is at the very least comparable to any of our rivals. If we don't win the premier league, I highly doubt it'll be because of that midfield.
 
Without Herrera there's no urgency in the side, strange anyone would want less Herrera

I like Herrera, but everyone seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room, Jose is a 4231 man mostly. That doesn't bode well for Herrera' s game time . Pogba could play 10, but he was poor when played there.
The assumption seems to be that Jose will now play 433 . I'm not so sure. We'll have to wait and see.
 
I argue against your reasoning with Real Madrid selling Sneijder and Robben.
Barca selling Eto'o.
Clubs sell players all the time who do well elsewhere.
Do you really think we couldn't be improved by Barca reject Sanchez?

No, we definitely would be improved. I'm not saying I'm right with the stance, I'm just saying that's how I feel currently until I see him perform. Obviously that logic doesn't always apply, I'm just worried in this instance.
 
Done deal if its been reported by the BBC. Does this mean we would win the title this coming season? :wenger:
Still feel we need one more signing, a winger or a striker.
 
I like Herrera, but everyone seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room, Jose is a 4231 man mostly. That doesn't bode well for Herrera' s game time . Pogba could play 10, but he was poor when played there.
The assumption seems to be that Jose will now play 433 . I'm not so sure. We'll have to wait and see.

I think 4231 against the lesser teams and 433 against tougher opposition
 
It's simple, if you want to build a league winning side you start with the defence, then build a spine and then add around it.

Our defence is solid, one of the best in the league last season with a world class GK behind them and now our midfield looks to be sorted for next season with Matic, Herrera and Pogba likely first team players and Carrick, Fellaini and Pereira the back ups (a very good mix of options IMO).

Upfront having Lukaku, Rashford and potentially Martial as options we have a mix of pace, skill and power and I can see us doing very well out of a spine like this:

De Gea
Bailly Rojo
Matic
Herrera Pogba
Lukaku
In an ideal world we'd also add a winger like Perisic to compliment the spine, but for me if we end the window with Lukaku, Lindelof and Matic it will have been decent enough. I fully expect us to be in for Griezmann in January or next summer at which point we will be in a fantastic position to consistently challenge given our current squad.
 
In an ideal world we'd also add a winger like Perisic to compliment the spine, but for me if we end the window with Lukaku, Lindelof and Matic it will have been decent enough. I fully expect us to be in for Griezmann in January or next summer at which point we will be in a fantastic position to consistently challenge given our current squad.

I can see us getting Perisic. Things seemed to have ramped up a notch after mourinho's unhappiness reached mainstream media. Ed seems to have taken his finger out his arse and is getting things done. I think Inter's threats of not selling him are empty, just like their trophy cabinet for the last 6 years.
 
I do think with a midfield trio of Matic, Pogba and Herrera we will be able to compete centrally against the very best sides. Having a strong central midfield always give you a chance to compete in games and I do think these three players complement each other well. It has physicality, enough mobility and also attacking qualities. May lack a bit of creativity though particular given that our wings don't give us enough of that. This will not help us break teams down which is our biggest weakness still.
 
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When did I even state that? i was replying to signing someone younger close to Matic for less than 40m. And i disagree with Matic being "easily" better than Krychowiak
While I apologise for misunderstanding your post, Matic is easily better than Krychowiak. Comparing a man who couldn't break into PSG's mdfield with a relative mainstay in two title-winning Chelsea sides, it's fairly obvious who's the better player, and by some distance.
 
Very good signing. Premier League proven, managers player and has exact attributes we lack in the squad.

In tough matches we will play with a 3 man midfield and can control the game.

In terms of age, fees and position, We have spent 20m to upgrade Schneiderlin for a year older Matic.

Given that this never happened at Chelsea with Matic, I doubt it'll happen at United either.
 
He is not wanted by Chelsea and subsequently wanted by us, its that simple. If we aspire to be better than them, it makes little sense buying players who aren't good enough to find a position in their team. He might prove me wrong but my reasoning seems fair, until he proves his worth, this is my stance.... I'm open to the notion than he may prove me wrong within his first game.

We play different systems. He isn't going to play the same role for us as he did for Chelsea. They also have to sell to balance books in their current era. His signing will allow Pogba to shine, and Pogba is better than any of their central midfielders.
 
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