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I'd still like to see him used as a more box to box player rather than as our DM. He's more of a Yaya Touré type who needs to be partnered with a proper ball winner. Touré had Barry/Garcia/De Jong/Fernandinho, and I think we should've kept Herrera as our DM allowing Matic to get forwards more where I think he's better.

I think we played our best stuff under José with a midfield two of Herrera and Pogba, so I'd just use Matic in the Pogba role and then opt for a 4-2-2-2 like we did against Chelsea and what City used to use, using Pogba on the right/left wing alongside a Martial/Mata as inside playmakers like the way City used Nasri and Silva, with two of Martial/Alexis/Lukaku/Rasford up top.
 
I'd still like to see him used as a more box to box player rather than as our DM. He's more of a Yaya Touré type who needs to be partnered with a proper ball winner. Touré had Barry/Garcia/De Jong/Fernandinho, and I think we should've kept Herrera as our DM allowing Matic to get forwards more where I think he's better.

I think we played our best stuff under José with a midfield two of Herrera and Pogba, so I'd just use Matic in the Pogba role and then opt for a 4-2-2-2 like we did against Chelsea and what City used to use, using Pogba on the right/left wing alongside a Martial/Mata as inside playmakers like the way City used Nasri and Silva, with two of Martial/Alexis/Lukaku/Rasford up top.
He is nothing like yaya toure on the ball.
 
He is nothing like yaya toure on the ball.
I'm not saying they're carbon copies (though I do think there are some similarities), I just think Matic would be more suited to the role Touré had for City. He isn't a good dm, imo, but could be a good box to box player. Whenever he's further forwards, I think he always does well. He can play penetrative passes, is one of our only few players who can keep the ball when being pressed which would help us a lot playing in tight spaces up top and being able to receive the ball under pressure without losing it where it's more crowded, and has a good shot on him when he actually goes for one.
 
This myth that Matic is responsible for us finishing 2nd last season needs to die. Do people think that he was coaching our forwards on how to convert their chances better than our rivals? Because that's why we finished 2nd. It was nothing to do with him and his obsession with introducing walking football to the premier league.
 
Is this guy seriously better than herrera? I would rather have herrera's tenacity, snapping at the oppositions heels and his mobility, unfortunately though herrera is not a 6'4 lump.
 
I tried to be nice about Matic last season because one thing you can't say is that he's invisible or doesnt work hard. He does work hard. He did last season too.

But he's not a very good protector of the back 4.

Where he works hard is, making himself available to receive the pass, running with the ball, making passes. Now obviously he does it in a slow pace and rarely ever creative way. And thats extremely symptomatic of Mourinho's style since he got here. Like we're attempting to bore our opponents to death. But yeah, Matic has been active, got on the ball and passed it sideways a lot. He also made some tackles and interceptions. Not a lot considering his position but more than our other CM options other than Ander. So all in all, as a package and as a CM he's okay. He's active, he works hard. But he's neither a specialist defensively nor offensively. He's a mixed bag.

When it comes to actually marshaling the dangerous space between our midfield and defense, he often went missing last season. He's not that great at positioning himself to pressure players around the edge of the box where the defenders need help. And of course, having Pogba doing very light work defensively next to him didnt help him there.

We had 11.5 shots against us per game last season. Thats the 7th least. Not particularly impressive for a team that came 2nd in the league and averaging at least 1 more than all the other top clubs. De Gea made 7th most saves of any keeper - almost 1 more per game than the keepers at the other top teams, and Smalling made joint 9th most shots blocked per game out of all the CBs in the league last season. Averaging 1 shot blocked per game Smalling made the most of any CB at one of the top sides last season. In fact looking down the list, Jones appears before any CB from City, Chelsea, Spurs or Liverpool. Eventually Christensen averaging 0.6 per game appears as joint 39th most shots blocked on average and Lindelof is joint with him.

So we have a CB who is one of the best at blocking shots so the keeper doesnt have to deal with it and still De Gea is often called into action and has to save us. 2 more of our CBs average as many or more shots blocked than all of our rivals for 1st or 2nd place in the league.

Now obviously we had a problem with our fullbacks. Players got in behind Young for fun - even though statistically he made plenty of interceptions and tackles. They knew they could get in behind him and hurt us and they did. But its not just that 1 area where all shots came from. Plenty of those shots came from the middle of the goal. Because Matic, while good overall wasnt doing a great job as a DM. He wasn't minimalising the exposure to our CBs and goalkeeper. Most of his good work was getting on the ball and playing it around.

Honestly I've seen Ander track back sensing danger and seeing it off more times than I see Matic do that. He also tends to win the ball more. Matic is far more physical and strong - maybe Ander is a little lightweight at times. But I wholeheartedly believe that Ander does a better job seeing off danger between defense and midfield. And if my life was on the line and I had to pick 1 player to play a match in that DM position and stop the opponent scoring, I'd pick Ander because I know he'd read the game the best and snuff it out.

Sometimes Ander's passing is uninspired, but Matic's isnt much better. Fellaini has probably done the best of them in terms of moving the ball quickly in recent times. But for me the most important part of playing a DM in front of the defense is to protect it. If you want a deep lying playmaker, thats something different and neither Matic, nor Fellaini, nor Ander fit that mould. But thats the role where passing comes first.
 
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I seem to remember a lot of talk to Chelsea fans about how this guy was absolutely class and how you had taken one if our best players blah blah blah

Despite a purple patch he went through for you its back to normal now, holds the ball for too long, doesnt play forward enough and cant really carry the ball either, not ideal for CM.
 
I seem to remember a lot of talk to Chelsea fans about how this guy was absolutely class and how you had taken one if our best players blah blah blah

Despite a purple patch he went through for you its back to normal now, holds the ball for too long, doesnt play forward enough and cant really carry the ball either, not ideal for CM.

Never wanted him and thought he was absolutely done. He did start well to be fair to him, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and indulged plenty on here after I was heavily insulted for saying he won’t be a good signing. However, he’s been pretty wank for ages now but he has a ‘Caf favourite’ tag so he’ll usually get a pass.

I think most that questioned people’s ‘humility’ for not wanting him have their tails between their legs and won’t come near this thread. I suppose people found it amusing as they saw Bakayoko as his replacement at Chelsea and tbf, he’s beyond bad.
 
Is this guy seriously better than herrera? I would rather have herrera's tenacity, snapping at the oppositions heels and his mobility, unfortunately though herrera is not a 6'4 lump.

Absolutely agree. Herrera was becoming a key player before we signed Matic. One of our biggest problems is getting the ball forward quickly and one reason for this is Matic taking 4/5 touches instead of 1/2. Herrera is better on the ball and can control a game better from deep.
 
Never wanted him and thought he was absolutely done. He did start well to be fair to him, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and indulged plenty on here after I was heavily insulted for saying he won’t be a good signing. However, he’s been pretty wank for ages now but he has a ‘Caf favourite’ tag so he’ll usually get a pass.

I think most that questioned people’s ‘humility’ for not wanting him have their tails between their legs and won’t come near this thread. I suppose people found it amusing as they saw Bakayoko as his replacement at Chelsea and tbf, he’s beyond bad.

Agreed on the Bakayoko part.

People thought the mistake was selling Matic to a rival, but the problem was always the fact we replaced him poorly. Matic needed to go and it was the right decision to let him go as ultimatly he was no longer good enough for us, and we got 40M for him which was good for his age.

The fact we now have Jorghino and Kovacic both in the centre is testemant to that.
 
Ekeke's post above is a good assessment but I think we're being harsh on Matic. He's the least problematic part of our midfield for me and regularly looks like a man amongst boys out there. Yes, he doesn't strike me as a proper defensive midfielder who can protect the defense if that's what we're expecting but I think Mourinho is quite right in realising that role often doesn't exist anymore and that instead you need a centre back who can make the link, hence his want of Lindelof who turned out to not be very good at it.

That said, he's not been as good this season as he was last.
 
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Agreed on the Bakayoko part.

People thought the mistake was selling Matic to a rival, but the problem was always the fact we replaced him poorly. Matic needed to go and it was the right decision to let him go as ultimatly he was no longer good enough for us, and we got 40M for him which was good for his age.

The fact we now have Jorghino and Kovacic both in the centre is testemant to that.

Oh man I envy your midfield. Midfielders that pass and move with actual y’know purpose :(
 
I would look to replace him with someone better. He just slows everything down, and that is not likely to change under a different manager as that is his style of play.
 
Another wrong signing. So happy we didn't sign Perisic or Willian !
 
Jose' s plan to dwarf the competition in the league by assembling a squad of giants was a bit daft and indicated that he was already out of his depth tactically wise. Yesterday he fielded 6 players 190+ cm. This is football, not basketball.

Edit: actually, 7 players with DDG and Lindelof is 187cm. Madness.
 
Never wanted him and thought he was absolutely done. He did start well to be fair to him, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and indulged plenty on here after I was heavily insulted for saying he won’t be a good signing. However, he’s been pretty wank for ages now but he has a ‘Caf favourite’ tag so he’ll usually get a pass.

I think most that questioned people’s ‘humility’ for not wanting him have their tails between their legs and won’t come near this thread. I suppose people found it amusing as they saw Bakayoko as his replacement at Chelsea and tbf, he’s beyond bad.
To be honest I was someone who wanted him over the likes of Fabinho as I thought him just sitting in midfield with Herrera and Pogba doing the running would be a good thing. Just do the Carrick role we had, but apart from that first 2/3 months he’s been very very average or poor and as some have said gets away with absolute murder on here. Remember saying last year when people were talking about him being player of the season saying worried about him and he I think has actually been quite poor then getting jumped on by the usual suspects because saying you weren’t impressed with him was seen as “anti-Mourinho agenda” when really it was just realising my mistake and coming to terms with there being a problem there.

At this point I wouldn’t really be that fussed if he was shifted on at the end of this season, as it really doesn’t seem to be working for him and I think if we can get someone more energetic or just not as scared to play a pass we’d massively improve. I think he has been really poor recently.
 
He takes about an hour to take 3 touches, turn in a circle and pass sideways or backwards. Our movement and options for every ball carrier is poor, but this guy just takes way too long to do nothing.
 
Ah, so he is this year's scapegoat. Another Valencia that is at fault of everything that goes wrong. Herd mentality.
Some go even further and try to rewrite history. He was undoubtedly one of top 3 performers last year. The talk of him being good only for 3 months is an absolute joke.

His biggest fault for posters is that he is a Mourinho signing and a player who actually plays for the manager.
 
Pogba, Fred ,Herrera,Mata,Perrera all excels at one touch pass and move. You just need the right coach !

I won't include Pogba at this one touch stuff for sure. Definitely not Mata too. Both actually slow everything when they get the ball away from being quality or not. Fred, Herrera and Pereira are legit choices though.
 
Jose' s plan to dwarf the competition in the league by assembling a squad of giants was a bit daft and indicated that he was already out of his depth tactically wise. Yesterday he fielded 6 players 190+ cm. This is football, not basketball.

Edit: actually, 7 players with DDG and Lindelof is 187cm. Madness.

And with that we had Fellaini's headed chance that was saved. Much else? I can't recall. But when we were playing with Hernandez up front we probably had as many headed attempts.
 
Ah, so he is this year's scapegoat. Another Valencia that is at fault of everything that goes wrong. Herd mentality.
Some go even further and try to rewrite history. He was undoubtedly one of top 3 performers last year. The talk of him being good only for 3 months is an absolute joke.

His biggest fault for posters is that he is a Mourinho signing and a player who actually plays for the manager.

Tinfoil hat alert :lol:
 
He's still a really good player with ability but like the rest of the team, he needs a coach.

He's an excellent holder of the ball, is press resistant and comfortable with it in most situations. Just needs to be told to sit in front of the back four and sniff out danger. Then play the ball to Pogba/other midfielder. Keep it simple.
 
He's still a really good player with ability but like the rest of the team, he needs a coach.

He's an excellent holder of the ball, is press resistant and comfortable with it in most situations. Just needs to be told to sit in front of the back four and sniff out danger. Then play the ball to Pogba/other midfielder. Keep it simple.


That's what he does here, though. He's just too slow nowadays, the game completely bypasses him at times.
 
He takes about an hour to take 3 touches, turn in a circle and pass sideways or backwards. Our movement and options for every ball carrier is poor, but this guy just takes way too long to do nothing.

Insanely frustrating, no other real top team would put up with his garbage.
 
Jose' s plan to dwarf the competition in the league by assembling a squad of giants was a bit daft and indicated that he was already out of his depth tactically wise. Yesterday he fielded 6 players 190+ cm. This is football, not basketball.

Edit: actually, 7 players with DDG and Lindelof is 187cm. Madness.
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Can’t we drop him and bring Carrick out of retirement ala scholes, can’t do any worse then Matic moves round the pitch with the speed and turning capacity of an cargo ship
 
Time to play Herrera again. Contributes far more to the team.
 
He reminds me of me when my legs stopped keeping up with my brain in football.
 
Seems so laboured compared to the start of last season. I think he was always a relatively short term signing but I didnt expect him to fall off a cliff like this.
 
I won't include Pogba at this one touch stuff for sure. Definitely not Mata too. Both actually slow everything when they get the ball away from being quality or not. Fred, Herrera and Pereira are legit choices though.
He definitely has the ability. With right coaching he can probably be one of the best . He taking time on the ball doesn't necessarily means he can't play that though , right ?
 
I tried to be nice about Matic last season because one thing you can't say is that he's invisible or doesnt work hard. He does work hard. He did last season too.

But he's not a very good protector of the back 4.

Where he works hard is, making himself available to receive the pass, running with the ball, making passes. Now obviously he does it in a slow pace and rarely ever creative way. And thats extremely symptomatic of Mourinho's style since he got here. Like we're attempting to bore our opponents to death. But yeah, Matic has been active, got on the ball and passed it sideways a lot. He also made some tackles and interceptions. Not a lot considering his position but more than our other CM options other than Ander. So all in all, as a package and as a CM he's okay. He's active, he works hard. But he's neither a specialist defensively nor offensively. He's a mixed bag.

When it comes to actually marshaling the dangerous space between our midfield and defense, he often went missing last season. He's not that great at positioning himself to pressure players around the edge of the box where the defenders need help. And of course, having Pogba doing very light work defensively next to him didnt help him there.

We had 11.5 shots against us per game last season. Thats the 7th least. Not particularly impressive for a team that came 2nd in the league and averaging at least 1 more than all the other top clubs. De Gea made 7th most saves of any keeper - almost 1 more per game than the keepers at the other top teams, and Smalling made joint 9th most shots blocked per game out of all the CBs in the league last season. Averaging 1 shot blocked per game Smalling made the most of any CB at one of the top sides last season. In fact looking down the list, Jones appears before any CB from City, Chelsea, Spurs or Liverpool. Eventually Christensen averaging 0.6 per game appears as joint 39th most shots blocked on average and Lindelof is joint with him.

So we have a CB who is one of the best at blocking shots so the keeper doesnt have to deal with it and still De Gea is often called into action and has to save us. 2 more of our CBs average as many or more shots blocked than all of our rivals for 1st or 2nd place in the league.

Now obviously we had a problem with our fullbacks. Players got in behind Young for fun - even though statistically he made plenty of interceptions and tackles. They knew they could get in behind him and hurt us and they did. But its not just that 1 area where all shots came from. Plenty of those shots came from the middle of the goal. Because Matic, while good overall wasnt doing a great job as a DM. He wasn't minimalising the exposure to our CBs and goalkeeper. Most of his good work was getting on the ball and playing it around.

Honestly I've seen Ander track back sensing danger and seeing it off more times than I see Matic do that. He also tends to win the ball more. Matic is far more physical and strong - maybe Ander is a little lightweight at times. But I wholeheartedly believe that Ander does a better job seeing off danger between defense and midfield. And if my life was on the line and I had to pick 1 player to play a match in that DM position and stop the opponent scoring, I'd pick Ander because I know he'd read the game the best and snuff it out.

Sometimes Ander's passing is uninspired, but Matic's isnt much better. Fellaini has probably done the best of them in terms of moving the ball quickly in recent times. But for me the most important part of playing a DM in front of the defense is to protect it. If you want a deep lying playmaker, thats something different and neither Matic, nor Fellaini, nor Ander fit that mould. But thats the role where passing comes first.

This is actually relatively accurate - a bit bias but I agree that his strengths are actually in possession. He is always available, decent on the ball if nothing special and generally speaking makes decent passes around our midfield and back four. He is not dynamic enough to cover the back four properly and I suspect his calmness/ability on the ball is why he's in the squad and why Pogba, who is dynamic enough to cover the back four and get up the pitch, has this weird role of being defensive and offensive and ultimately in no man's land half the time.
 
That's what he does here, though. He's just too slow nowadays, the game completely bypasses him at times.

This is part of the reason why the board vetoed Willian and Perisic I suppose. Might get one or two seasons from them and then the inevitable decline happens. Not that Willian is all that to begin with anyway...

I am pretty sure the next manager will want an upgrade on Matic. Hope we can get a dynamic younger midfielder like Jorginho.
 
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The ball is glued to his feet. In a bad way.

Can he fecking release it quicker?

So damn ponderous on the ball. He's been poor the entire year bar a few games.
 
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