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Phew! Sixers almost bottled it again
Could Jokic even be better if he worked on his body or would that be counterproductive ? Either way, the man is a slick basketball player.
I have a rules question if anybody can help. Yesterday the NBA released their last 2 minutes report for the Warriors and Rockets. In that report they stated that a correct non call was made against Draymond Green with 10 seconds to go defending James Harden since Harden initiated the contact made between the two and under normal circumstances the contact wouldn’t have occurred. My question to all is that if an offensive player deliberately makes contact with a defensive player shouldn’t that be an offensive foul? (Before anybody accuses me of bias against James Harden and the Rockets I’ve seen KD and Steph attempt the same manoevres and get away with it on numerous occasions). Obviously the refs in the game didn’t think it was offensive foul and then on re-scrutinizing it the NBA didn’t think so either. What am I missing ‘cause I’m obviously missing something? Thank you for any replies.
1. Incidental Contact
The mere fact that contact occurs does not necessarily constitute a foul. Contact which is incidental to an effort by a player to play an opponent, reach a loose ball, or perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be consid-ered illegal. If, however, a player attempts to play an opponent from a position where he has no reasonable chance to perform without making contact with his opponent, the responsibility is on the player in this position.
The hand is considered "part of the ball" when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.
I thought about “incidental contact” myself but in the report I believe it said that Draymond was not called for a foul because Harden initiated the contact himself. I suppose you could argue that even though Harden initiated the contact it wasn’t done on purpose so in that case incidental contact would apply. Thanks for the reply.There can be incidental contact without it being a foul.
https://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_a.html?nav=ArticleList
Was accidentally smacked across the face by a flailing arm from Draymond (though some might say he knew what he was doing). You could tell it affected him (squinted hard on free throws, and shielded his eyes from flashing lights), but produced a decent outing all things considered. Steph also dislocated his left middle finger while attempting a swipe.Woke up() in time to catch the final few minutes of the dubs-rockets game 2. What happened to Harden's eyes?
(Also? KD is reaching LBJ's level of playoff unfairness)
Ive got admit I was nervous the entire time. To me it seemed every time the Dubs pulled away the Rockets would come back into it. I suppose it’s a matter of perspective because I was always fearing the worst.Was accidentally smacked across the face by a flailing arm from Draymond (though some might say he knew what he was doing). You could tell it affected him (squinted hard on free throws, and shielded his eyes from flashing lights), but produced a decent outing all things considered. Steph also dislocated his left middle finger while attempting a swipe.
Game wasn’t really as close as the score suggests. GS consistently kept Houston at an arm's length distance tonight, and you felt they could always pull ahead when Houston got it to within single digits.
Steph struggled tonight from 3 for the second game in a row. I guess you could postulate that the dislocated finger was a problem but personally IMLTHO it’s these stupid fouls he keeps getting. As a shooter you want to get into a rhythm and being dragged out of the game every few minutes because you keep fouling is definitely a detriment to his shot. STOP THE STUPID FOULS.Klay, Iguodala and KD's defense was key as well as Draymond's rebounding allowing them to overcome another poor shooting effort from Steph. For Houston Chris Paul just doesn't seem to be able to make the shots we're used to see him making, he missed what should have been some pretty easy ones at the rim. Still you'd expect Houston to be better at home.
Bucks showed up defensively. Going to be tough for them to win in Boston though
It very well could have been different for a person with vested interest in either team, but as a neutral, I never felt Houston was a serious threat to GS tonight. To me, it just felt like GS could go on a mini-run and expand the lead as needed when they felt Houston was getting too close. The Rockets cut it down to three at one point in the middle of the 4th, but GS got it back to double-digits and never looked back. It looks like you'll get one in Houston and close it out game 5. If you get game 3, I would expect a sweep. Last season was the golden opportunity for the Rockets.Ive got admit I was nervous the entire time. To me it seemed every time the Dubs pulled away the Rockets would come back into it. I suppose it’s a matter of perspective because I was always fearing the worst.
I really don’t think the Warriors are anywhere near a shoe in to win it all. I don’t think they have played particularly well against the Rockets and the only reason they have a 2-0 lead is that the Rockets have been worse. I think if Houston can win game 3 then the series is definitely alive. As to teams from the East that can challenge them I still think the Bucks could be very dangerous especially if Malcolm Brogdon is back. They are a team that is very “long” and I’m not sure if the Dubs match up that well with them.So much for Warriors being vulnerable. Can’t wait till KD leaves and the league is finally competitive.
The only team in the league I can see causing them trouble now are Toronto who have way more depth and could throw many different lineups at Warriors and see how it flies.
I really don’t think the Warriors are anywhere near a shoe in to win it all. I don’t think they have played particularly well against the Rockets and the only reason they have a 2-0 lead is that the Rockets have been worse. I think if Houston can win game 3 then the series is definitely alive. As to teams from the East that can challenge them I still think the Bucks could be very dangerous especially if Malcolm Brogdon is back. They are a team that is very “long” and I’m not sure if the Dubs match up that well with them.
Meh, Dubs will sweep everyone if motivated.I really don’t think the Warriors are anywhere near a shoe in to win it all. I don’t think they have played particularly well against the Rockets and the only reason they have a 2-0 lead is that the Rockets have been worse. I think if Houston can win game 3 then the series is definitely alive. As to teams from the East that can challenge them I still think the Bucks could be very dangerous especially if Malcolm Brogdon is back. They are a team that is very “long” and I’m not sure if the Dubs match up that well with them.
Seems like this is gonna be a sweep or a 4-1.
Warriors have an all star calibre of player injured, and a top 5 player not being great, and are still able to win these games. If KD continues, they can win 5 in a row or so.
Meh, Dubs will sweep everyone if motivated.
They only look beatable in the normal season because everybody on the team knows the real work starts in the playoffs.
Or he could go to the much readier Clippers, Nets or -don't ever let this happen- CelticsHe can't continue. He cannot have an asterisk over every single title he wins because of the decision he made in 2016, despite being comfortably the best player in the league right now he's hardly recognized as one and you can sense it's frustrating for him.
He has to go to the Knicks, that's the only way he's going to build any sort of legacy. He can win 10 titles in a row with Golden State and people won't care because he took the easy way out.
History will be nice to him with all the FMVPs he'll win. He is actually considered the league's best player, and is clearly Dub's best player and leader when playoff comes. When Dubs are in trouble, the strategy seems to be give the ball to him.He can't continue. He cannot have an asterisk over every single title he wins because of the decision he made in 2016, despite being comfortably the best player in the league right now he's hardly recognized as one and you can sense it's frustrating for him.
He has to go to the Knicks, that's the only way he's going to build any sort of legacy. He can win 10 titles in a row with Golden State and people won't care because he took the easy way out.
History will be nice to him with all the FMVPs he'll win. He is actually considered the league's best player, and is clearly Dub's best player and leader when playoff comes. When Dubs are in trouble, the strategy seems to be give the ball to him.
Does LBJ has two asteriskes for Miami wins?
Or he could go to the much readier Clippers, Nets or -don't ever let this happen- Celtics
Also, why it need to be Knicks from all teams? A terribly run franchise who aren't even a playoff team. Joining them makes as much sense - legacy wise - as LBJ joining Lakers.
If he wants money and titles, it has to be Dubs (they can offer super-max and he likes to invest on It sector). For legacy, winning with his own team, then Clippers or Celtics make sense.
the astericks thing is stupid. Durant is the leader on this team, he's their best player. doesn't matter how good they were when he arrived - just shows you how good he is that he can join a team that was already elite.... and become their best player.
that said he should leave for the sake of the league.
It's not stupid. The guy went to a 73-win team that beat him the season before after he was 3-2 up and leading by 10 or 11 in the final quarter but couldn't close out. People were calling him a chocker so he went and joined a team he knew 100% he was going to win titles with.
He's a great player of course but also a massive coward for making that move.