NBA 2016-17

Revan said:
I watch him and I agree that he is a greater player. But I also think that Warriors would be better with Iguodala replacing Green (a player that offers a lot of similar things including great defense and playmaking, for example yesterday, he was their main playmaker while he was on the pitch), then Iguodala or someone else replacing Durant. Durant is a supremely talented player, you don't just replace the second best player in the world. Green is very good at what he does, and surely that his miss will affect them, but Durant is just a far better player.

If Warriors win this, it will be mostly because of him and Curry.
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This is why you choose Draymond. "Look at him directing his teammates to change assignments before the play happens. He moves Curry into the corner and out of the pick-and-roll, erasing Cleveland’s first option." Draymond is like a puppetmaster for the Warriors. Durant is a better player no doubt, but Draymond pulls the strings. He makes everything work.

http://www.sbnation.com/videos/2017...reen-defense-highlights-video-genius-warriors
 
Revan said:
They are not yet, nowhere near. So far, they have defeated a Cavs without Love and Irving and that's it.
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They broke the Bulls' iconic 72-10 record as well.

In terms of dynasty or overall domination you might be right, but as to single performances or even a single season, they're a shoe-in for top five, top three best teams of all time.
 
RobinLFC said:
They broke the Bulls' iconic 72-10 record as well.

In terms of dynasty or overall domination you might be right, but as to single performances, they're a shoe-in for top five, top three best teams of all time.
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Regular season, no one cares. Warriors this season are better than the year before, and still they lost 6 more matches.

Money is on the playoff. Regular season is just to get home advantage.
 
Revan said:
Regular season, no one cares. Warriors this season are better than the year before, and still they lost 6 more matches.

Money is on the playoff. Regular season is just to get home advantage.
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You're missing the point.. In terms of a single basketball team stepping on a court and playing the best basketball in the world, in terms of talent, team play and other criteria, they're certainly top three to ever do that, alongside probably a version of Jordan's Bulls and a third team.
 
They were already one of the best teams ever a few years ago. They've only improved in the last 2 years (Draymond, Curry and even Klay have gotten better) and they've only just added Kevin fecking Durant last summer.
 
Revan said:
Also, about the people who are choosing Green over Durant/Curry. Seriously guys, what is wrong with you?
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Over one of them, on the condition that the other is still on the team. He's their most important player, the only guy they can't replace
 
Best NBA "team" I saw was the 86-87 Lakers, both better and deeper than the 95-96 Bulls or 15-16 Warriors.

RobinLFC said:
You're missing the point.. In terms of a single basketball team stepping on a court and playing the best basketball in the world, in terms of talent, team play and other criteria, they're certainly top three to ever do that, alongside probably a version of Jordan's Bulls and a third team.
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In that case the greatest single basketball team ever was the 1992 US Olympic Team.
 
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Moby said:
No real reason to judge them only under current rules, which will obviously favour Warriors.

Imagine Draymond having to guard a prime Shaq under the old rules. :lol:
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But that's why I commented the way I did vs 1996 Bulls. It's a different game now. Comparisons really cannot be made across generations.
charlton66 said:
Under today's rules I'd take the Dubs. Under the rules back then I'd take the Bulls. Under the rules (and contact) allowed in the late 80s, they would also be in severe trouble against the Pistons (and probably hospitalized too).
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charlton66 said:
The Showtime Lakers were a finesse team but with no real three point shooters. Under today's rules they would find it very hard against the Warriors. But hey! Why listen to me.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-thompson-finals-nba-a-to-z-podcast/85536076/

....and that opinion is pre - KD.
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Lmao. I'm fairly certain I could spend a few hours on Google and find analysts, former coaches/players, etc. that would say this side or that side win hypothetical arguments. It's also hilarious that someone automatically assumes this side must face that side in a hypothetical matchup. It's a pointless attempt to one-up someone's opinion.

Like the hypothetical that's often never considered during these nonsensical debates is when comparing eras you must assume the players would acclimate to the era as having come through that era, or why it must be in one era versus another era (like that ludicrous link citing today's rules, why? why not 1987 rules?). But I'll play along for shits and grins. The likes of Scott and Worthy would have developed into perimeters shooters in the 2010s and likely became top tier outside shooters though Worthy would also have the slash ability similar to Durant. Magic today would dominate both ends just like LBJ does. Kareem today - no contest - and he'd likely have developed to add shooting outside fifteen feet to his game much like Green.

Or I could just say Kareem would drop 60 against GS's inside men and would render Green/JaVale/Zaza irrelevant on the defensive end. Cooper would blanket Curry all night. Durant would get his obviously but so would Magic and Kareem. Again, all hypothetical.

charlton66 said:
But that's why I commented the way I did vs 1996 Bulls. It's a different game now. Comparisons really cannot be made across generations.
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Yet you did.
 
MrMarcello said:
Yet you did.
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Not really. I just gave you Mychal Thompson's opinion on that exact match up (and he played for the Lakers). I just said it would be very difficult for the Lakers under the current rules. I think it would be very difficult for the Dubs under the old rules. As I've said repeatedly, you really can't make a good comparison across generations.
 
charlton66 said:
Not really. I just gave you Mychal Thompson's opinion on that exact match up (and he played for the Lakers). I just said it would be very difficult for the Lakers under the current rules. I think it would be very difficult for the Dubs under the old rules. As I've said repeatedly, you really can't make a good comparison across generations.
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Fair enough, and I was aware Thompson was a backup center on that 87 side. Magic says his Lakers would win although that was pre-KD.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...les-lakers-beat-current-golden-state-warriors
 
MrMarcello said:
Fair enough, and I was aware Thompson was a backup center on that 87 side. Magic says his Lakers would win although that was pre-KD.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...les-lakers-beat-current-golden-state-warriors
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That is hardly a surprise. You always think your team is best. Stephen Jackson from the "we believe" Warriors had his team beating the current team (2016 version) as well and that is patently ridiculous.
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2016/2/25/11116782/stephen-jackson-warriors-we-believe-beat-them
That's why I brought up Mychal Thompson since it is rare to find someone who played for one team say another would win. Having said that, he is Klay's dad so who knows........
 
As long as the 3 point line exists, the current best teams would shoot the lights out of the old farts. 3 points > 2 points
 
Skills said:
As long as the 3 point line exists, the current best teams would shoot the lights out of the old farts. 3 points > 2 points
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What if the game is under the old rules where players could make much more physical contacts?

But yeah, 3 pointers have changed the league.
 
Revan said:
What if the game is under the old rules where players could make much more physical contacts?

But yeah, 3 pointers have changed the league.
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As with any sports, you also have better athletes now. If everyone's allowed to be physical, the current set of athletes could probably cause a lot more damage to the athletes from the 80s if they fancied it. They're bigger, stronger & quicker, so their hits will pack a bigger punch.
 
Skills said:
As with any sports, you also have better athletes now. If everyone's allowed to be physical, the current set of athletes could probably cause a lot more damage to the athletes from the 80s if they fancied it. They're bigger, stronger & quicker, so their hits will pack a bigger punch.
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Athletes back then were a lot tougher though.
 
MJJ said:
Athletes back then were a lot tougher though.
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What is toughness? I'd say they were probably more durable, but I think that's more to do with the conditions the game's played in. The speed/athleticism is crazy now (it's the same for football) even if you compare it to say 15 years ago.

I think that just makes the injuries/damage/impact they suffer more dangerous, it's why you might see more players going off injured rather than 'playing through it'.
 
Skills said:
What is toughness? I'd say they were probably more durable, but I think that's more to do with the conditions the game's played in. The speed/athleticism is crazy now (it's the same for football) even if you compare it to say 15 years ago.

I think that just makes the injuries/damage/impact they suffer more dangerous, it's why you might see more players going off injured rather than 'playing through it'.
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Still playing despite getting punch, kicked,hacked down at every instant. Not rolling on the floor crying.
 
charlton66 said:
That is hardly a surprise. You always think your team is best. Stephen Jackson from the "we believe" Warriors had his team beating the current team (2016 version) as well and that is patently ridiculous.
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2016/2/25/11116782/stephen-jackson-warriors-we-believe-beat-them
That's why I brought up Mychal Thompson since it is rare to find someone who played for one team say another would win. Having said that, he is Klay's dad so who knows........
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That "We Believe" team though :drool: I think that must be one of my first (live) memories of an NBA game, that B. Diddy dunk over Kirilenko after they'd beaten the Mavs in the first round. Still gives me goosebumps to this very day.
 
RobinLFC said:
That "We Believe" team though :drool: I think that must be one of my first (live) memories of an NBA game, that B. Diddy dunk over Kirilenko after they'd beaten the Mavs in the first round. Still gives me goosebumps to this very day.
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Just for you. :cool:

 
I just watched the highlights from game 1 on nba.com and the commentator just made my day with the half time observations of the celebrities who were there. Unimpressed is an understatement. :lol:
 
Appears the tip off is an hour earlier than I mentioned. That's a bit better but on Sundays these games should tip off around 4/5pm EDT. There was nothing else on today but fecking golf and auto racing, and those sports aren't going to take fans from an NBA Finals viewing. Those sports draw mostly hardcore fanatics.
 
This game shouldn't be this close. GS should be up by 10 or so, but Curry is careless with the ball at the moment.
 
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