NBA 2016-17

How is this years draft class, compared to the last few?

Very impressed by the Celtics management. Great planning for the future, and the way they've conducted trades and kept on stacking assets has been really impressive. Turning Isaiah Thomas into a proper superstar as well.

Who would be the best fit for the team, though? Cousins is a great shout, but would his probable antics mess with the organization/team? Or will he become a nicer guy with a proper organization to back him up? And is it worth trading for a superstar right now, or wait for next season (after the draft)?

It's a great draft class but mostly flush with backcourt players. Harry Giles is a good frontcourt prospect but injury prone. Josh Jackson and Jayson Tatum are supposed to be great small forward prospects. Not many centers in top 20, if any. Players like Fultz, Ball, Ntikilina, Smith, Fox are supposed to become tremendous point guards, Malik Monk is a good shooter to play at SG. Basically, it's a perfect time for Boston to trade their Nets' pick if they can get something very good in return. The best solution would IMO be for them to send the pick, Amir Johnson and one of Rozier/Smart to Bulls in exchange for Butler. Works for both teams, Bulls are not winning and the atmosphere there is bad which has been called out by Butler who is very frustrated. Add Butler to this Celtics team and they're contenders IMO. By far and away the best perimeter defence in the league too.

Cousins might become less of a hassle on a better team but it's hard to know. He'd for sure elevate Celtics to contenders too. If they could get BOTH Cousins and Butler, even for both Celtics picks, Johnson, Zeller/Olynyk, Crowder/Jaylen and Smart/Rozier, they'd be the best team in the league. I think that would actually, quite amazingly, work cap wise.

Johnson, Rozier and Nets' 2017 pick for Butler

Olynyk, Jaylen Brown and Nets' 2018 pick for Cousins
 
It's a great draft class but mostly flush with backcourt players. Harry Giles is a good frontcourt prospect but injury prone. Josh Jackson and Jayson Tatum are supposed to be great small forward prospects. Not many centers in top 20, if any. Players like Fultz, Ball, Ntikilina, Smith, Fox are supposed to become tremendous point guards, Malik Monk is a good shooter to play at SG. Basically, it's a perfect time for Boston to trade their Nets' pick if they can get something very good in return. The best solution would IMO be for them to send the pick, Amir Johnson and one of Rozier/Smart to Bulls in exchange for Butler. Works for both teams, Bulls are not winning and the atmosphere there is bad which has been called out by Butler who is very frustrated. Add Butler to this Celtics team and they're contenders IMO. By far and away the best perimeter defence in the league too.

Cousins might become less of a hassle on a better team but it's hard to know. He'd for sure elevate Celtics to contenders too. If they could get BOTH Cousins and Butler, even for both Celtics picks, Johnson, Zeller/Olynyk, Crowder/Jaylen and Smart/Rozier, they'd be the best team in the league. I think that would actually, quite amazingly, work cap wise.

Johnson, Rozier and Nets' 2017 pick for Butler

Olynyk, Jaylen Brown and Nets' 2018 pick for Cousins

Where does Horford fit into all of this? Is he even playing as a center for Boston, or more as a PF?

Would love it if we got Cousins and Butler (even though it sounds like a massive pipedream). Cousins, Butler and Thomas - Two and a half men.
 
Where does Horford fit into all of this? Is he even playing as a center for Boston, or more as a PF?

Would love it if we got Cousins and Butler (even though it sounds like a massive pipedream). Cousins, Butler and Thomas - Two and a half men.

Horford can play power forward comfortably. I think he's been playing both positions for Boston.

I think Cousins liked playing with Thomas and complimented him at all. Sacramento had to trade him because at the time it made way too much sense to keep him and would go against 'we try to do the most idiotic thing possible' policy which led them to draft T-Rob ahead of Lillard and Drummond, Biyombo ahead of Klay Thompson, Butler, Kemba and Kawhi (that's some feat to draft Biyombo ahead of four All-Star players) and McLemore ahead of CJ and Giannis. Tyreke Evans ahead of Curry and DeRozan wasn't bright either.

They could be fielding a team with Curry/McCollum/Kawhi/Cousins/Drummond or Lillard/DeRozan/Butler/Giannis/Cousins. Curry, Leonard and Cousins in one fecking team :lol:
 
Horford can play power forward comfortably. I think he's been playing both positions for Boston.

I think Cousins liked playing with Thomas and complimented him at all. Sacramento had to trade him because at the time it made way too much sense to keep him and would go against 'we try to do the most idiotic thing possible' policy which led them to draft T-Rob ahead of Lillard and Drummond, Biyombo ahead of Klay Thompson, Butler, Kemba and Kawhi (that's some feat to draft Biyombo ahead of four All-Star players) and McLemore ahead of CJ and Giannis. Tyreke Evans ahead of Curry and DeRozan wasn't bright either.

They could be fielding a team with Curry/McCollum/Kawhi/Cousins/Drummond or Lillard/DeRozan/Butler/Giannis/Cousins. Curry, Leonard and Cousins in one fecking team :lol:
Both of those teams would likely be the best team in the league. But yay, 'lets do the most idiotic thing ever, and then top it next time' has sadly been Sacramento's policy since the team of Bibby, Weber, Peja, Divac, Christie, Johnson and Turkoglu got dissembled.
 
I think Cousins liked playing with Thomas and complimented him at all. Sacramento had to trade him because at the time it made way too much sense to keep him and would go against 'we try to do the most idiotic thing possible' policy which led them to draft T-Rob ahead of Lillard and Drummond, Biyombo ahead of Klay Thompson, Butler, Kemba and Kawhi (that's some feat to draft Biyombo ahead of four All-Star players) and McLemore ahead of CJ and Giannis. Tyreke Evans ahead of Curry and DeRozan wasn't bright either.

They could be fielding a team with Curry/McCollum/Kawhi/Cousins/Drummond or Lillard/DeRozan/Butler/Giannis/Cousins. Curry, Leonard and Cousins in one fecking team :lol:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Just imagine if Cleveland took Kawhi Leonard instead of Tristan Thompson (or Klay Thompson/Jimmy Butler for Kyrie for that matter) in 2011, or Damian Lillard instead of Dion Waiters in 2012. Then they had two successive number one picks coming up in 2013 and 2014 along with LeBron coming back home. The rest of the league might just as well have not bothered showing up.
 
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Just imagine if Cleveland took Kawhi Leonard instead of Tristan Thompson (or Klay Thompson for Kyrie for that matter) in 2011, or Damian Lillard instead of Dion Waiters in 2012. Then they had two successive number one picks coming up in 2013 and 2014 along with LeBron coming back home. The rest of the league might just as well have not bothered showing up.
Cleveland took Irving, got Love as part of a trade and years ago drafted LeBron.

While you cannot expect a team to do always great in the draft, Kings are by far the most terrible franchise at it (and being run in general). Sure, a few mistakes are to be expected, but passing on all those wonderful players and going for the likes of T-Rob is an achievement in itself.
 
Cleveland took Irving, got Love as part of a trade and years ago drafted LeBron.

While you cannot expect a team to do always great in the draft, Kings are by far the most terrible franchise at it (and being run in general). Sure, a few mistakes are to be expected, but passing on all those wonderful players and going for the likes of T-Rob is an achievement in itself.
The Cavs had 3 number one overall picks in 4 years. Irving was a pretty good choice - I don't believe he was the best player in the draft, but a very good player nonetheless. In 2012, I don't think they gave Dion Waiters enough time tbh. However in 2013/14, to basically end up with just Kevin Love for two overall number 1 picks is nothing short of criminal. Kevin Love is a fine player - but TWO overall number ONE picks. :eek:

The Kings do suck at this though to be fair.
 
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They could be fielding a team with Curry/McCollum/Kawhi/Cousins/Drummond or Lillard/DeRozan/Butler/Giannis/Cousins. Curry, Leonard and Cousins in one fecking team :lol:
A lot of it is easy to say in hindsight though after seeing them develop for years. I agree with your overall but it's a bit pointless looking at players after a few years and say who missed out on them in the draft.

passing on all those wonderful players
Leonard was 15th overall pick for a reason, he wasn't rated as highly in his early days and it's silly to say every team would have developed him the way Pop did.

Kings are obviously shambles but these arguments are laughable themselves
 
A lot of it is easy to say in hindsight though after seeing them develop for years. I agree with your overall but it's a bit pointless looking at players after a few years and say who missed out on them in the draft.


Leonard was 15th overall pick for a reason, he wasn't rated as highly in his early days and it's silly to say every team would have developed him the way Pop did.

Kings are obviously shambles but these arguments are laughable themselves

Yeah I know it is easy to say in hindisight but when you see the level of players they were taking, EVERY SINGLE TIME, it's fair to say their scouting was dreadful. There are always mistakes, you cannot get it right everytime but getting it wrong every single time for several years shows ineptitude.
 
The Cavs had 3 number one overall picks in 4 years. Irving was a pretty good choice - I don't believe he was the best player in the draft, but a very good player nonetheless. In 2012, I don't think they gave Dion Waiters enough time tbh. However in 2013/14, to basically end up with just Kevin Love for two overall number 1 picks is nothing short of criminal. Kevin Love is a fine player - but TWO overall number ONE picks. :eek:

The Kings do suck at this though to be fair.
TBF they got Love for one pick and it turns out to be a good decision so far seeing as Wiggins has been a bit underwhelming. Bennett was a terrible selection but had nothing to do with Love.
 
LeBron went ballistic on Barkley -


LeBron James rips Charles Barkley: You're the NBA bad boy, not me

DALLAS -- After years of being fodder for Charles Barkley to comment on in his role as an analyst on TNT's "Inside the NBA," LeBron James has heard enough.

"He's a hater," James told ESPN of Barkley following the Cleveland Cavaliers' 104-97 loss to the Dallas Mavericks on Monday. "What makes what he says credible? Because he's on TV?"

James had been stewing the past couple of days after Barkley took James to task for the four-time MVP calling out the Cavs for needing to fortify the roster with another playmaker to have a realistic shot at a repeat title.

"Inappropriate. Whiny. All of the above," Barkley said of James last week. "The Cleveland Cavaliers, they have given him everything he wanted. They have the highest payroll in NBA history. He wanted J.R. Smith last summer, they paid him. He wanted [Iman] Shumpert last summer. They brought in Kyle Korver. He's the best player in the world. Does he want all of the good players? He don't want to compete? He is an amazing player. They're the defending champs."

Barkley has consistently needled James, telling HBO's Bill Simmons over the summer that James would "never" ascend to top-five status in NBA history over Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain, and going back all the way to 2010 and James' "The Decision" television special, when Barkley told ESPN Radio 103.3 FM in Dallas/Fort Worth that it was a "punk move" for James to leave the Cavs to take up with the Miami Heat.

James initially took the high road when asked about Barkley's recent comments, saying they were "good for the ratings," while defending his competitive spirit.

But after ESPN followed up with a story asking Tristan Thompson for his thoughts on Barkley's comments, James chose to speak out again in ardent fashion.

"I'm not going to let him disrespect my legacy like that," James told ESPN. "I'm not the one who threw somebody through a window. I never spit on a kid. I never had unpaid debt in Las Vegas. I never said, 'I'm not a role model.' I never showed up to All-Star Weekend on Sunday because I was in Vegas all weekend partying.

"All I've done for my entire career is represent the NBA the right way. Fourteen years, never got in trouble. Respected the game. Print that."


James, whose friendships with Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony have also been called into question, recalled watching a 1993 NBA Finals game between Jordan's Chicago Bulls and Barkley's Phoenix Suns and being surprised what he saw on his screen.

"Go watch the '93 Finals when John Paxson hit the shot," James said. "Barkley and Jordan were laughing and joking with each other during one of the games while somebody's shooting a free throw. In the Finals. But, oh, nobody were friends back then."

Bringing up Anthony reminded James of another basketball luminary who has tweaked him this season -- New York Knicks president Phil Jackson -- and he had a story to share about Jackson as well.

"I went to see Melo at the Garden two years ago when we were in New York," James said. "They played Portland. I went up to a suite at halftime, and Phil Jackson didn't say one word to me."

This fall, Jackson brought up James unprompted in an interview with ESPN's Jackie MacMullan and described James and his close circle of business associates -- Rich Paul, Maverick Carter and Randy Mims -- as his "posse."

"I'm here to win ballgames and take care of my teammates and take care of my, what's that word, oh, my 'posse,'" James said, animatedly.

He had more words for Barkley too.

"I know he wanted to retire a long time ago, but he can't," James said. "He's stuck up on that stage every week."

James then issued a challenge, of sorts.

"And if this makes him want to talk to me, the schedule's out there," James said. "He knows every road arena I'll be in. Don't just come up to me at All-Star and shake my hand and smile."

It was James' second bout of frustration shared with the media in a week, as the Cavs finished out January going 7-8. It was the first time James has had a losing record in a calendar month with at least 10 games played since February 2006 -- his third season in the NBA -- when the Cavaliers went 6-8, according to ESPN Stats & Information.


James also spoke up about the perception he and his inner circle face as young, successful black businessmen, believing that identity being so rare in the power structure of professional sports makes him and his partners targets.

"I collect one paycheck from this," James said of his role with the Cavs. "There's the owner, Griff's [David Griffin] the GM, I'm the player. Screw Charles Barkley."

James put on his baseball cap and offered a parting thought as he prepared to leave the visitors locker room at the American Airlines Center to head to the airport for a flight back to Cleveland.

"I'm tired of biting my tongue," James said. "There's a new sheriff in town."

Barkley got Ethered to be honest
 
seeing as Wiggins has been a bit underwhelming.
Separate from the Trade talk - Wiggins is on the up, 3rd season, only 21 is averaging

22 points, 4.2 rebounds and 2.5 assists on 45% from the field.

He needs to do something more than just score - get the rebounds up to 7 and assists to 4 and you've got an excellent player.
 
TBF they got Love for one pick and it turns out to be a good decision so far seeing as Wiggins has been a bit underwhelming. Bennett was a terrible selection but had nothing to do with Love.
According to ESPN, the Cavs traded Anthony Bennett and Andrew Wiggins to Minnesota to acquire Kevin Love.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ed-minnesota-timberwolves-cleveland-cavaliers
However, that wasn't really the point. It was more along the lines of Cleveland had a real opportunity to really do some great things with their two successive number 1 overall picks and although Kevin Love is a fine player the fact that he essentially cost the Cavs those two picks was IMLTHO way too much.

....and yes, Anthony Bennett was an awful pick.

I'll try not to go on a Warriors rant here, but the fact that the Dubs put together one of the greatest teams ever assembled through the draft instead of trying to trade for all and sundry and/or have the highest payroll in basketball was extremely admirable to me. Sure I was glad to see them add Kevin Durant but the 14/15, 15/16 Warriors were the closest you could really get in today's NBA to putting together a successful homegrown team. If they win this year, sure I'll be happy, but it won't be the same as Steph, Klay, Draymond and Harrison Barnes coming through the ranks and winning it all.
 
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Bennett was a horrible pick but, it was a horrible draft and everyone else they were considering would have been an underwhelming pick(Noel, Oladipo, Len, McLemore, Porter). Giannis and Gobert were the only players in that draft worth a #1 pick and it would have been insane to take them with the first pick.
 
Bennett was a horrible pick but, it was a horrible draft and everyone else they were considering would have been an underwhelming pick(Noel, Oladipo, Len, McLemore, Porter). Giannis and Gobert were the only players in that draft worth a #1 pick and it would have been insane to take them with the first pick.

McLemore is rubbish and wouldn't have been much better than Bennett, Len and Porter could be solid rotations players but still very poor #1 selections, Oladipo is a good player and Noel would have been a good pick too, IMO his potential is great. I'd add CJ to the list, he's one of the best shooters in the league and would fit in well next to Irving.
 
The league is so weird at the moment. Dallas just got back to back wins against Cleveland and San Antonio, Miami is 8-2 in their last 10 games, Minnesota and Dallas both went 7-3 and Philadelphia are borderline playoffs team.
Carlisle is just a too good coach to tank. Wouldn't wonder me if they push for the playoffs. Overall it's quite funny how so many bottom teams are winning, only Lakers seem to embrace the tank. I bet Riley is furious at Waiters suddenly turning into Jordan:lol:
Lucky lucky Boston...
 
Why would you hate Westbrook? He's fantastic.

Nah, haven't you heard? He's a selfish, stat-padding, ball-hogging chucker who is only talked about cause he is athletic and is the reason Durant left OKC :wenger:
 
Why would you hate Westbrook? He's fantastic.
Not hate, but I just don't rate him nowhere as much as most of the others. His accuracy is diabolic, he takes so many shoots from impossible positions while the rest of him team has a higher accuracy than him. He also keeps the ball too much to the point when other players on his team get the ball are forced immediately to shoot it cause there is no time left.

In my opinion, there are a few players who deserve the MVP more than him, despite his stellar (though inflated) stats.
 
On other news, I think that Curry has finally started to play like MVP and on the last few matches has been the focal point of Warriors, clearly outplaying Durant.

When his shooting is on, he's the best player in the league and an absolute joy to watch.

The only question remaining, is can he keep it up for the playoffs (especially the final) considering that he flopped there in the last 2 seasons.
 
Not hate, but I just don't rate him nowhere as much as most of the others. His accuracy is diabolic, he takes so many shoots from impossible positions while the rest of him team has a higher accuracy than him. He also keeps the ball too much to the point when other players on his team get the ball are forced immediately to shoot it cause there is no time left.

In my opinion, there are a few players who deserve the MVP more than him, despite his stellar (though inflated) stats.

That is just not true. If anything, he is often forced to jack up poor shots because his teammates give him the ball back with no time left on the clock.
 
Tim hardaway Jr ladies and gentleman. First time since 2013 that a team came back from a 20 point deficit in the fourth quarter and won in the regular season. Bembrys great d in harden hopefully means that we'll see more of him in the future.
 
As did Durant. Which made his move to Golden State look even worse.
Durant was quite good (though young) when he played his only final.

Last year he was very good IMO, bar the sixth match when he flopped.
 
Selfish Wasteful Stat Padder Alert, prepare the pitch forks gents.

"I thought the times he picked to go score and try to make something happen when our team needed it was really invaluable," Thunder coach Billy Donovan said.

http://www.espn.in/blog/okc-thunder...tbrook-paints-another-crunch-time-masterpiece
In the end it was the 15-0 run he went on by himself in the final 2 minutes, 34 seconds of the game to give the Thunder a win they desperately needed, 114-102.
 
I don't watch Basketball but I love Westbrook solely for all the meme/soundbites that seem to have come about because of him.

This adds absolutely nothing to the chat of NBA, but I thought you should all know
 
He was amazing. It's unbelievable just how much he carries this team.
 
Yogi Ferrell scored 32 with 9 made three pointers for Mavericks. That was quite astonishing, is this a record for a player on a 10-day contract?
 
He was amazing. It's unbelievable just how much he carries this team.
It is, really. Just how mentally pathetic and coward the rest of that team is! Do they never look at their own percentages and realise they can also make good shots if they try? Every single time a tight situation arises they pass the ball back to Russ with 2 seconds left on the shot clock and then you have random twats on the internet shouting how he's selfish and taking too many shots. Only Oladipo sometimes takes some responsibility and he's always hit and miss, but the rest are shambles. They're lucky it's Russ and not MJ, Jordan would have absolutely destroyed them and made them cry in the locker room after playing like that.

Russ leads the league in clutch time (last 5 mins) points and assists. Basically at the end of every game all Thunder does is pass the ball to him and expect him to score at every play. Not only does that lower his percentages but it is far easier for the opposition, especially ones with good interior defense to force him into low percentage shots, often tough 3s and get turnovers from him. It's easy to look at the box score and call him out on that without looking at what leads to that almost every game.