Who is the best NBA player currently? LeBron?
NBA 2016-17
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You would be best of getting their 2017 and 2019 picks. Cousins is unrestricted free agent next year, yes they will be able to offer him much more than other teams but he will likely be desperate to get out of there because he has zero chance of trophies there (haven't even made playoffs yet with him) and it's getting toxic. Remove Cousins from that team and you will be getting a top 3 pick from those guys in 2019. They don't have any players to send your way though.
Aye.
I hope that both him and Durant find some compromise to not get the maximum, in order to be able to keep Iguadala too.
Yep, easily.
I really don't understand why Kings didn't trade Cousins this summer (probably to Boston who need a center and have a lot of assets to give). He'll leave as free agent now, and Kings will become the worst team in the NBA again.
They are the worst run franchise there.
Boogie will likely have to give up circa 100M to move, that's a huge amount. Good chance he'll stay.
Nah, not a chance they keep Iguodala after this season IMO (or Livingston). It has to be the big 4 plus MLE and minimum players from there.
Won't the new CBA kicking in next season mean one of the big 4 having to leave?
I haven't seen a lot of NBA games yet this year but why on earth is Zaza fecking Pachulia second in voting for Western frontcourt? Surely he hasn't become world class just by joining the Warriors? Or is it just "big man who plays for the best team equals a lot of votes" in this case?
$100M? Thought it would have been less. A chunk of that will be because he will be able to sign for only 4 and not 5 years elsewhere so really he will only be giving up on ca. $7M a season from what I understand. A lot of money but might be worth the hassle not to condemn himself to the mediocrity of Kings.
If he moves somewhere this season, will that team also hold his rights and will be able to offer him same deal as Sac?
Won't have to leave but they cannot all get max deals.
Yeah that's the question, it obviously makes sense that he leaves but that really is a lot of money, will definitely make him think. Personally I won't be surprised if he stays.
Same deal as Kings? Can't see that myself.
I mean will anyone actually be allowed to do that. Under the rules Kings will be able to offer him more than anyone else. Will these rights transfer if he is traded?
I am hoping that Durant and Curry do a Duncan and opt for non-maximum deals, in order to be able to keep the team strong and win titles. Especially Durant, who gets a shitload of money from endorsements (second only to James) and who didn't join the Warriors for money, but for rings.
Losing Iguadala or Livingston (especially Iguadala) will hurt their chances of winning titles. Losing both will hurt their chances too much IMO. I mean, Durant gets more money from endorsements than from his club, so an extra 5m for him probably won't be that much if it is the difference of winning an extra ring.
Things will become more complicated when it is the time to renew also for Thompson and Green, but until then, hoping that they can keep this team.
Discussed on the previous page. Most likely Georgians voting for him, in addition to people voting for him just for a laugh.
It was the same last year, when he wasn't an all star starter just for circa 11k votes. Then NBA changed the rules and this time only 50% of the decision is based on the voting. I think that they changed the rules exactly for this reason, to not be able to hijack the All Star game,
@Sarni how do you do about watching matches? Especially during the days when you have to work.
I believe they will.
Problem is, they'll sure as hell be protected. We might just end up like the Bulls who had the Kings first round pick for ages but never got it because it was protected 1-14. So yeah, we'll see.
Why the hell did they accept Kings lotto protected pick? Kings are lottery team by default.
I think it's just top 10 protected, my apologies, and it's been around since 2011 I think, the Cavs originally owned it. Back then you'd expect them to make it out of their misery within a few years but as you see it was delayed year after year because Sacramento always ended up in the last third of the league
This year it'll be Bulls last chance, otherwise the pick will be conveyed into a second round pick.But yeah, the whole protection aspect makes me hesitant to want Millsap traded for picks from shit teams as your might never actually see those picks.
I think it's just top 10 protected, my apologies, and it's been around since 2011 I think, the Cavs originally owned it. Back then you'd expect them to make it out of their misery within a few years but as you see it was delayed year after year because Sacramento always ended up in the last third of the league
But yeah, the whole protection aspect makes me hesitant to want Millsap traded for picks from shit teams as your might never actually see those picks.
To be fair Sacramento could have as well given up all their picks when you look at who they've been drafting. McLemore at 7 in the same draft which saw McCollum, Giannis and Gobert go well after him, Cauley-Stein at 6 before last season, Stauskas at 8 in 2013 and best of all Thomas Robinson at 5 ahead of Lillard, Drummond and Barnes. Their drafting since Cousins has been incredibly bad, not a single half decent pick.
It is incredible, really. I can understand Cousins a bit for being this aggressive in matches, he is arguably the best center in the league and has to play with shit players because the franchise who owns him is lead by idiots. Imagine if they got Giannis and Lillard, the team would probably be as good as any team in the West bar Warriors.
True. With a bit of decent scouting they could be lining up with Lillard and Giannis. Of course you will never get it always right and hindsight makes it easy to criticize but when a franchise drafts the wrong player every single time for 5 years, there's some terrible scouting going on. Look at at some players who went after who they drafted (not 10 directly after them, just 10 from the crop that came after).
2012: Sacramento draft Thomas Robinson at 5. Then: Lillard, Barnes, Drummond, Harkless, Fournier, Crowder, Draymond Green. But basically everyone is better than T-Rob anyway.
2013: Sacramento draft Ben McLemore at 7. Then: McCollum, Antetokounmpo, Gobert, Caldwell-Pope, Schroder, Adams, Dieng, Crabbe, Plumlee. All are better, the first six are massively better.
2014: Sacramento draft Stauskas at 8. Then: Well, it's a crap draft but LaVine, TJ Warren and Nurkic have at least shown some promise. Not much to choose from though.
2015: Sacramento draft Cauley-Stein at 6. Then: Stanley Johnson, Booker (wow), Myles Turner, Mudiay. This was a good draft class who's made an immediate impact. On top of that they did not need a center, they needed a shooter (Booker), power forward (Turner) or a playmaker (Mudiay) WAY more.
And last year they drafted a ton of big men again. What do they need both Papagiannis and Labisierre on top of Cousins, Koufos and WCS for?
As I say you cannot always get it right but you have to get it SOMETIMES right.
Oh and there's the best one.
2011: Sacramento draft Biyombo at 7. Then: Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard (yes, they both were drafted AFTER Biyombo), Jimmy Butler (it gets better), Kemba Walker (even better), Nikola Vucevic, Kenneth Faried. Yeah they did save themselves with Isaiah Thomas at freaking 60 if they didn't fecking trade him for Thornton and a pick which turned into nothing more than another two redundant big men.
Beat the Warriors again this season, coming back from a 24 PT deficit this time. Currently too high on adrenaline to know what sleep is.
WTF! I saw them having a pretty decent lead with not long to go and didn't bother after that. What happened?
What a feck was this shit from Warriors? Dropping a 24 points lead to a team that has already beat them.
Curry was quite amazing though, looked like Curry of last year.
Curry was quite amazing though, looked like Curry of last year.
WTF! I saw them having a pretty decent lead with not long to go and didn't bother after that. What happened?
Excellent offensive execution by the Grizzlies (no one ever gives us credit but hey ho) along with a tendency for the Warriors to go ultra ISO in crunch time, which plays into our grit and grind defense.
Draymond going apeshit at KD for collecting the ball from Curry and hoisting a contested 3 while 2 up, instead of allowing the offense to run and generate a better look, was the sum of their strategy the second half.
I love what Grizzlies did to Warriors there, and Draymond's meltdown
BTW watching Jimmy Butler play this season, Boston must absolutely be fuming at not trading #3 pick for him which Chicago were apparently very much willing to do. He's at All-Star level, meanwhile Jaylen Brown who was selected with that pick is largely playing scrub minutes and not doing anything special because, well, he is still 2 years away from being a valuable NBA player.
This was fun yesterday
Warriors might have the weirdest problem ever in that because they are so good they don't experience close late game situations enough to figure out the best way to close out close games. Curry/Durant have been in a serious funk since last year's playoffs. Green is absolutely correct.
Porzingis is a wonderful player. Cannot believe Knicks fans actually booed his selection because they wanted Mudiay.
That's twice recently that Durant has choked and cost them games.
Just run a fecking play, not that hard people.
My ten cents on this. The Warriors have bent over backwards trying to integrate KD into the team especially Stephen Curry. However, this has now got to the point with the others taking so much of a backseat that KD has somehow got it into his head that the Warriors are his team. Hence he feels that in the fourth quarter he has got to "take over." The other night against the Grizz he went "full Westbrook" and Draymond Green rightly lost his cool. Steve Kerr needs to sit them all down and explain that for their continued success ball movement, making assists and making baskets is the key. Hero ball needs to stay in OKC.
Definitely this. Curry looked quite annoyed too (as was shown when he gave the pass) and he was having a far better match than Durant.
I love Durant and he is one of my favorite players ever, but he needs to stop this shit (I don't think that he has been doing this quite often to be fair), because Warriors are not that type of team. And while I still think that he's the best player in the team, Curry is great too (as are Klay and Green) so he needs to stop going 'full Westbrook'. Otherwise James or Kawhi would have an another ring by the end of the season, instead of him getting finally a ring.
That incident has been incredibly overblown. Durant and Kerr both rather explained the situation well after the game. Draymond wasn't angry at Durant.
Kerr took the blame, rightly as well, for the lack of movement late in the game.
(jump to 2:40)
Someone surely has spoken with Durant. He looked a bit more reserved yesterday, and was looking for the pass most of the time.
At the same time, Curry has finally gone full Curry and he is now playing as good as in the previous two years.
At the same time, Curry has finally gone full Curry and he is now playing as good as in the previous two years.
I listened to the entire press conference from both of them right after the game. Draymond was doing everything he possibly could to make sure this didn't turn into something the media would grab on to by trying to spread the blame amongst everyone and Steve Kerr did the same in this video - the Warrior (team) way. However, no matter what they both say Draymond was visibly upset with KD about how this play unfolded even going as far as to say that he was glad they lost so that maybe they would learn something as a team from this debacle since it has happened previously and if they had managed to sneak by it would have been ignored. For whatever reason, they seem to get away from everything they have been doing previously at the beginning of the fourth quarter (ball movement, assists, perimeter shooting, pick and roll etc...) when Steph usually sits out. It happened again last night where the Dubs scored 7 points in the first 6 minutes plus of the fourth. Sometimes they can manage to turn it back on like last night (20 points in last six minutes) other times not so much. Either way, this is something they definitely have to work on.
In a nutshell.
http://bluemanhoop.com/2017/01/08/stephen-curry-is-still-the-alpha-dog-of-the-warriors/
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