NBA 2015-2016

Snow said:
Can someone explain Curry to be? How can you be such a great player but be anonymous to the casual viewer at age 23-24? That's not normal for the NBA is it, a player being that good without everybody knowing who he was in high school?
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Because he wasn't as great a player back then. I think most people thought he would turn out to be a better version of Ray Allen until his MVP season last year.

Plus 3-4 years ago, the NBA had other superstars who attracted more attention. LeBron, Durant, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant so Curry didn't get as much attention. Everyone who followed basketball fairly casually (if you checked in for the play offs/finals) would still be aware of Curry though, because his shooting prowess was gaining so much attention.
 
charlton66 said:
Mark Jackson.

Steph was actually a pretty good college player at mid major Davidson although he did get turned down by his dad's alma mata Virginia Tech. Also as I mentioned already Mark Jackson could not coach offense. Steph should thank Steve Kerr every day that his career took off.
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Maybe the warriors should thank Jackson for the obscenely cheap contract Curry's on ;)
 
Snow said:
Was he playing him out of position or something? Looking at the stats, aside from his injury season Curry has played about the same amount every season.
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He made Curry play ISO ball instead of getting him run around screens to get open looks.
 
Warriors: happy with 9 point lead considering Curry and Thompson only scored 10

Cavs: happy to be down 9 considering they're only shooting 35% and Warriors 52%
 
charlton66 said:
This is a good article explaining some of the issues with Mark Jackson's offense.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...son-because-warriors-should-have-been-better/
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Cheers. By judging this article it would seem that they were really poor in attack and that Curry was actually keeping them afloat with his well above average conversion rate.

That gif reminded me of the Icelandic league. That's basically what basketball looks like here but with much worse centers.
 
It's only game 1 but that's 6 in a row now for the Dubs over the Cavs.
 
If James and Irving play like that throughout the series, Cleveland wont stand a chance.
 
Neutral said:
Curry and Thompson were shit...a combined 20 points and yet, they won by 15!
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The thing is though unlike Westbrook and Durant (for instance) they both don't keep firing up shots. Things weren't working tonight so they spread the ball around. If that had been OKC, Westbrook and Durant would have been 10-50+ and everybody else would have had 10-12 shots between them.
 
Doesn't bode well for Cleveland when Warriors best players were very poor and they still won comfortably.
 
Sarni said:
Doesn't bode well for Cleveland when Warriors best players were very poor and they still won comfortably.
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Think we need to look at a few things -

- That performance from the Warriors bench is NOT the norm, they'll fall back to the mean
- Steph and Klay will not as a tandem play that poorly again
- Cavs won't miss that many lay ups. I counted 8 missed layups, 3 of them by Love :lol:
- Cavs will definitely play less iso - think Lue overthought things and outsmarted himself. Even if they tried to establish an inside game, they played far too slowly.
 
Whenever Curry/Thompson fell flat, Livingston stood up and came to warriors rescue, this was the case in conference final and again this game.
 
Mani said:
Whenever Curry/Thompson fell flat, Livingston stood up and came to warriors rescue, this was the case in conference final and again this game.
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He had a terrible conference finals. He was basically a non-entity. Whether it was simply because his shot wasn't falling or the length and athleticism of the Thunder, but he didn't do much.

In fact - in the final three games (all of which the Warriors obviously won....)

Livingston -

FG - 5/14
Points: 11 (6 in game 5, 0 in game 6 and 5 in game 7)
Assists: 5
Rebounds: 8

In fact as the series progressed his minutes got slightly reduced.
 
Neutral said:
He had a terrible conference finals. He was basically a non-entity. Whether it was simply because his shot wasn't falling or the length and athleticism of the Thunder, but he didn't do much.

In fact - in the final three games (all of which the Warriors obviously won....)

Livingston -

FG - 5/14
Points: 11 (6 in game 5, 0 in game 6 and 5 in game 7)
Assists: 5
Rebounds: 8

In fact as the series progressed his minutes got slightly reduced.
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That look strange, here is his post season stats and it doesn't look bad for player coming of bench

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2393/seasontype/3/shaun-livingston

Averaging 8.8 points(15-16 post season)

And today vs Cavs its 20pt
S. Livingston 26:34 8-10 0-0 4-4 +20 1 3 4 3 2 1 0 0 0 20
http://www.nba.com/games/20160602/CLEGSW/gameinfo.html?ls=eref:google:1b:post


Can you post his first 4 match CF stats as well?just to see how it looks.
 
Livingston had a bad series against okc, that's true. But apart from that he has been great in the playoffs, he's a brilliant backup pg. I just love his midrange jumper, I wonder why he barely shoots threes when he's that good from midrange.
 
Mani said:
That look strange, here is his post season stats and it doesn't look bad for player coming of bench

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2393/seasontype/3/shaun-livingston

Averaging 8.8 points(15-16 post season)

And today vs Cavs its 20pt
S. Livingston 26:34 8-10 0-0 4-4 +20 1 3 4 3 2 1 0 0 0 20
http://www.nba.com/games/20160602/CLEGSW/gameinfo.html?ls=eref:google:1b:post


Can you post his first 4 match CF stats as well?just to see how it looks.
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1st 4 Oklahoma games combined -

FG: 8-22
Points: 16 points (4/2/6/4)
Assists: 9
Rebounds: 10


His numbers in the Houston series...with expanded minutes came added productivity. The Portland series was more in line with his regular season stats.

But, he really struggled to make an impact against the Thunder. It happens. No biggie. He is a big part of what the Warriors do and an absolute match up nightmare on most nights. I'm a big fan of Livingston and his career is a lesson for many in sheer perseverance. The money he made from his 1st contract was enough for him to retire on, but he kept going.

Houston -

Minutes: 27
Points: 13.2
Assists: 4.8
Rebounds: 3.6

Portland -

Minutes: 23.4
Points: 9.0
Assists: 4.4
Rebounds: 3.2

Oklahoma -

Minutes: 16.3
Points: 3.9
Assists: 2.0
Rebounds: 2.6

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston
 
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Neutral said:
1st 4 Oklahoma games combined -

FG: 8-22
Points: 16 points (4/2/6/4)
Assists: 9
Rebounds: 10


His numbers in the Houston series...with expanded minutes came added productivity. The Portland series was more in line with his regular season stats.

But, he really struggled to make an impact against the Thunder. It happens. No biggie. He is a big part of what the Warriors do and an absolute match up nightmare on most nights. I'm a big fan of Livingston and his career is a lesson for many in sheer perseverance. The money he made from his 1st contract was enough for him to retire on, but he kept going.

Houston -

Minutes: 27
Points: 13.2
Assists: 4.8
Rebounds: 3.6

Portland -

Minutes: 23.4
Points: 9.0
Assists: 4.4
Rebounds: 3.2

Oklahoma -

Minutes: 16.3
Points: 3.9
Assists: 2.0
Rebounds: 2.6

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston
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Thanks for those stats mate,he clearly struggled big time against OKC.I like him for coming of the bench to score those crucial points.
 
Damn. Got the day wrong, thought it was today at 2am. Sleep it is.
 
Huge night for Cleveland, if they lose here it's going to get very tricky as they won't be able to lose any of the next two at home. If Curry and Thompson show up it's going to be very tough for Cavs.
 
Sarni said:
Huge night for Cleveland, if they lose here it's going to get very tricky as they won't be able to lose any of the next two at home. If Curry and Thompson show up it's going to be very tough for Cavs.
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Surprising stat, especially the fact that he's lost Game 1 of the Finals in five straight years.
 
Warriors are too good. They just go on a mad one for like half a quarter and it's game over.
 
One thing that was seemingly forgotten about the hoopla of LBJ having a healthy Irving and Love, which is a tremendous boost no doubt, was that the Warriors got better in the last 12 months.
 
MrMarcello said:
One thing that was seemingly forgotten about the hoopla of LBJ having a healthy Irving and Love, which is a tremendous boost no doubt, was that the Warriors got better in the last 12 months.
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charlton66 said:
I think the question is, will Irving and Love help Lebron more on the offensive end than they hurt on the defensive end? Based on regular season, the answer was no. Will be interesting to see how it works out.
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It isn't working out.
 
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