Didn't they want to trade Gasol away, hardly surprising he doesn't have the desire all the time
Nba 2011-2012
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Yup they did...they shopped him pretty hard. But you expect that to happen in the NBA - very few players are sacred.
Watching Bynum play I just don't think he's ever going to possess the mental ability to go with his physical ability. After the Thunder smash them, I wouldn't be surprised if they ship him out to Orlando.
So United lost the title in the final minutes, Patriots lost the SB in the final minutes - it's all up to the Lakers to salvage something for me this season. Lets go LA!!
I don't think Miami could do anything tonight that would cheer me up..
let's go... heat.
let's go... heat.
Well done for the Clippers. Thoroughly deserved the win.. Expected a strong showing from them and they didn't disappoint.
Not a good start for Miami..
Not a good start for Miami..
Good win for Miami. Was a tough game..
Hope Bosh is ok. Turiaf and Battier were very good signings IMO.
Hope Bosh is ok. Turiaf and Battier were very good signings IMO.
OKC up by 15 points at HT. The pick and roll is killing us and OKC have been very effective from perimeter shooting. Can't see the Lakers winning this game.
The Lakers will be lucky to win a game. I'd hope this is a wake up call but I'm not sure what they can do, I just don't think this group has the fire anymore. On paper, Gasol, Bynum and Bryant should be as good as any trio in the league, but it's just not working.
In a way, Kobe has earned the right to play for the Lakers till he's too old. The only hope is convincing him to take a back seat to a new star. I'd try to move Gasol, he's still an elite PF and someone will want him and be willing to return someone whose been an All-Star. We need more athleticism than Gasol, Barnes and Blake can offer to deal with Miami and OKC.
I'd love to see us tempt LaMarcus Aldridge away from that basketball vortex in Portland. LA is still the #1 most desirable place to play basketball in the world, NYC in this regard can't hope to compete.
In a way, Kobe has earned the right to play for the Lakers till he's too old. The only hope is convincing him to take a back seat to a new star. I'd try to move Gasol, he's still an elite PF and someone will want him and be willing to return someone whose been an All-Star. We need more athleticism than Gasol, Barnes and Blake can offer to deal with Miami and OKC.
I'd love to see us tempt LaMarcus Aldridge away from that basketball vortex in Portland. LA is still the #1 most desirable place to play basketball in the world, NYC in this regard can't hope to compete.
Well that was close...only the 29 points in it. Fatigue was always going to be a factor - Thunder, younger and very well rested. Nuggets ran the ball, but the Thunder will go even harder, Mike Brown and the Lakers need to turn this around quickly.
But it's not all plain sailing for the Thunder either, Perkins looks to have aggravated something, and while he isn't a juggernaut at the offensive end, he is important for them defensively.
Long series ahead - I said a couple of pages ago, Thunder would simply be too quick for the Lakers, but I still don't think this'll be a complete walkover.
But it's not all plain sailing for the Thunder either, Perkins looks to have aggravated something, and while he isn't a juggernaut at the offensive end, he is important for them defensively.
Long series ahead - I said a couple of pages ago, Thunder would simply be too quick for the Lakers, but I still don't think this'll be a complete walkover.
Okc shot it well from perimeter...it wont ne like that all the time
Thunder obviously shot better than usual, but they are shooting 47% for the season, so while 53% shooting on the night is excellent, it's not THAT big a jump.
Lakers on the other hand, shot 43% which happens to be bang on for what they averaged this season.
The numbers are similar from deep. Durant, Westbrook and Harden are really efficient.
Lakers on the other hand, shot 43% which happens to be bang on for what they averaged this season.
The numbers are similar from deep. Durant, Westbrook and Harden are really efficient.
Back when the Lakers were at their best with Shaq we were the best defensive team in the league.
Nowhere close now. The discipline of those teams with Horry and Fox are gone now. It would take a real genius to bring this group another title, and that's not Mike 'Let My Star Run Amuck' Brown.
Nowhere close now. The discipline of those teams with Horry and Fox are gone now. It would take a real genius to bring this group another title, and that's not Mike 'Let My Star Run Amuck' Brown.
I thought Mike Brown was supposed to shore things up defensively...
The Thunder will beat any team in the league if they shoot like that.
The Thunder will beat any team in the league if they shoot like that.
Early in the season we were very good defensively but ever since the all-star break I think the D has been very poor.
Watched 3 quarters yesterday and whilst OKC had great intensity and speed to their play, a lot of the offense was just simple pick and roll and LA's failure to deal with that and make adjustments was embarrassing.
There is no such thing as piss easy in the playoffs.
1-1
Great effort from the Pacers. The Heat are missing more than "half" a big player.
1-1
Great effort from the Pacers. The Heat are missing more than "half" a big player.
Well, when I said we'd need help to beat the Heat, Bosh going down was actually the thing that popped into my mind. Too much to hope it would be Wade or James. But really, the Heat seemed to play bettter without James than without Bosh.
And even though it was extremely painful to see the Pacers miss those free throws down the stretch, it was a real joy to see LeBron miss two.
Game on!
And even though it was extremely painful to see the Pacers miss those free throws down the stretch, it was a real joy to see LeBron miss two.
Game on!
Damn the Spurs are good.
This should be a short series.
This should be a short series.
I hope nobody thought the Clips were gonna come back there in the 4th quarter in the Spurs building.
No posts on Derrick Rose possibly missing ALL of next season? ACL, so the timeframe was always going to be longish...but the whole season would be a real blow.
Heat record without Wade: 14-3
Heat record without Bosh: 4-6 (now)
The Heat need to respond next game.. I think they will. But somebody other than Wade and James has got to score more than 5 points!
The Spurs are the only team who seem to cruise through the playoffs without much fuss. Also they didn't look rusty at all after the extended rest. Really impressive so far.
Didn't read the news about Rose, that would be a bad loss.. Hope he does make it at least in the second half of the season..
Heat record without Bosh: 4-6 (now)
The Heat need to respond next game.. I think they will. But somebody other than Wade and James has got to score more than 5 points!
The Spurs are the only team who seem to cruise through the playoffs without much fuss. Also they didn't look rusty at all after the extended rest. Really impressive so far.
Didn't read the news about Rose, that would be a bad loss.. Hope he does make it at least in the second half of the season..
Nah
Once the ACL injury was confirmed, almost everyone knew he'd be out for a while. Hope he comes back stronger. It'll be interesting to see Thibedeau's readjustments of the squad for next season.
And this is where spending all the cap dollars to sign 2.5 superstars haunts a club. You lose 0.5 of this big 2.5 and suddenly players have to play out of position and the lack of quality depth haunts. An average club like Indiana can look decent especially with their size and talents.
And it would be piss easy in this series with the other 0.5 there.
And it would be piss easy in this series with the other 0.5 there.
So if the Heat do not win the championship this season does that mean their coach is gone and Riley might consider blowing up the big 3?
I understand why you hate Miami probably, but I disagree with pretty much everything you said.
First, Bosh is at least as big as Wade at the moment. (Even though Wade is my favorite player, but that's the reality). James is the only player who is better than the other two. People who underrate Bosh are the kind of people who miss the game and only watch the highlights. Bosh is the one who makes it easier for Wade and James to shine.. Check the stats.
Second, I don't believe you cracked the code.. It has nothing to do with Miami, or signing three big players. When you miss a star, your performance drops. Ask Chicago, who did it "the right way".
Third, Indiana is not an average club. They are ranked fifth in the regular season, and third in the east (not really far behind Miami). I can only imagine you are trying to dismiss every team in the east like that because you don't wanna give the Heat any credit if they win the east, or, in case they don't, then it would look a lot worse..
Fourth, Miami is not the only team that has three maxed out players on its roster.
haven't watched a bit of nba since the mavs went out but I'm rooting for the pacers to go all the way and upset the nba apple cart. san antonio will win otherwise.
Miami is the only club that I know of to have signed two max-salary free agents from other clubs, a third max-salary free agent if you count resigning Wade. The other clubs did not acquire all of their max-salary players via free agency in one fell swoop. In fact, I don't think any club outside Miami signed more than one max-salary player in free agency, but I could be incorrect.
Miami took the short route, much like City.
Who are the other ones? I didn't know that.
Indiana being my team I can tell you that won't happen. They just aren't good enough, not consistent enough, yet. They have a young team that will only get better, I have high hopes but it's definitely 2 or 3 seasons till I can see them having a serious shot.
And Miami and OKC aren't much older, so they can't just wait for them to get older like Boston to eventually pass them, this group of Pacers will have to content with both teams at the top for their entire careers, foreseeably.
Also I'd have to say Memphis, the Clippers and the Lakers are better than the Pacers. Granger is a fine player but when things get tough we don't have anyone who is good enough to always have a match-up advantage on the court. We love someone like Randolph, Griffin, Paul, Kobe, Bynum or Pau who can get their own buckets against strong defense.
I doubt anyone is surprised to see the Lakers' 4th quarter offense was terrible again, they've barely scored, if at all, in the last few minutes here.
Boston did the exact same thing in 2007 as Miami did in 2010. They had a superstar, and added two others in Allen (through trading a draft pick) and Garnett (through free agency).
This is how Miami's salary table looked like on the first year of the big three.
And this is how Boston's salary table looked like in the first year of their big three (in which they won the championship!).
Same situation really.
Also you can't compare Miami to City. In the NBA there is a salary cap that doesn't exist in football. In the NBA most of the teams have already filled their cap space and are paying roughly the same amount of money. It's only about how you choose to fill your cap space. There is nothing unfair about what Miami did.
- Miami ARE the favorites against Indiana, but it wouldn't have been a 4-0 sweep even if Bosh was healthy. It's much closer than that, which is why the outcome CAN change very quickly if a few things don't go Miami's way. And I'm not even talking about missing one of the big three here, even slight complacency from Miami would be enough to turn the tie around.
- Not sure what you mean by "superstar" exactly, but Bosh is more important for Miami than Wade at the moment. You work it out..
- Miami didn't take the short way. They did what every other team/player would do nowadays. The only difference, they could.. I don't think Rose would tell Chicago "No please, send James back to Cleveland, I don't want him here, I prefer to do it on my own.". And I don't think Boston's big three were brought together against their will...
This is how Miami's salary table looked like on the first year of the big three.
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[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Miami Heat Salaries 2010-2011
Rk Player Salary[/COLOR][/B]
1 LeBron James $14,500,000
2 Chris Bosh $14,500,000
3 Dwyane Wade $14,200,000
4 Mike Miller $5,000,000
5 Udonis Haslem $3,500,000
6 Joel Anthony $3,300,000
7 Juwan Howard $1,352,181
8 Eddie House $1,352,181
9 Zydrunas Ilgauskas $1,352,181
10 Jamaal Magloire $1,229,255
11 Carlos Arroyo $1,223,166
12 Erick Dampier $1,129,469
13 James Jones $1,069,509
14 Mario Chalmers $854,389
15 Patrick Beverly $473,604
16 Da'Sean Butler $473,604
17 Dexter Pittman $473,604
18 Jerry Stackhouse $222,712And this is how Boston's salary table looked like in the first year of their big three (in which they won the championship!).
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[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Boston Celtics Salaries 2007-2008
Rk Player Salary[/COLOR][/B]
1 Kevin Garnett $23,750,000
2 Paul Pierce $16,360,094
3 Ray Allen $16,000,000
4 Kendrick Perkins $4,480,912
5 James Posey $3,206,000
6 Brian Scalabrine $3,000,000
7 Tony Allen $1,868,141
8 Eddie House $1,500,000
9 Rajon Rondo $1,229,280
10 Scot Pollard $1,219,590
11 Leon Powe $687,456
12 Gabe Pruitt $650,000
13 Glen Davis $427,163
14 Brandon Wallace $130,819Same situation really.
Also you can't compare Miami to City. In the NBA there is a salary cap that doesn't exist in football. In the NBA most of the teams have already filled their cap space and are paying roughly the same amount of money. It's only about how you choose to fill your cap space. There is nothing unfair about what Miami did.
- Miami ARE the favorites against Indiana, but it wouldn't have been a 4-0 sweep even if Bosh was healthy. It's much closer than that, which is why the outcome CAN change very quickly if a few things don't go Miami's way. And I'm not even talking about missing one of the big three here, even slight complacency from Miami would be enough to turn the tie around.
- Not sure what you mean by "superstar" exactly, but Bosh is more important for Miami than Wade at the moment. You work it out..
- Miami didn't take the short way. They did what every other team/player would do nowadays. The only difference, they could.. I don't think Rose would tell Chicago "No please, send James back to Cleveland, I don't want him here, I prefer to do it on my own.". And I don't think Boston's big three were brought together against their will...
First of all.... Boston didn't do the same thing Miami did - Boston traded for both Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett with pieces they had on their roster rather than gutting their roster and signing the two players to join up with Paul Pierce!
Secondly..... there is nothing to suggest that there is anything wrong with a team clearing their cap space like Miami did, just like New York did in 2010 and just like various teams do around the league like Dallas seem to be doing for the summer ahead to try and land Deron Williams as a free agent. The problem with Miami's situation is there are rumours and a lot of chit-chat that Wade, LeBron and Bosh colluded to join together in the summer of 2010 - this is a problem - as far as I'm aware this is forbidden in the league.
And finally...... the big problem people in general seem to have with LeBron joining the Heat is that he joined together with Wade to take the easy route to a championship. Jordan said himself he never would've teamed up with Bird and Magic in the 80s cause "he wanted to beat those guys!" I think people expected more of LeBron when the summer of 2010 came about instead of taking such an easy option like he did and the manner in which he did it.
Yep, Garnett had two years remaining on his contract in 2007 though I think he could opt out in 2008. He agreed an extension after the trade to carry him through 2012.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2956103
Ray Allen was also under contract and traded.
Btw, there is not wrong with players colluding it is only forbidden for clubs to do such in regards to salary (which is quite hypocritical of the players union). Something along those lines.
What Miami did was unprecedented and really rubbed fans the wrong way, hence so much contempt for the club at the moment. I was a big LBJ fan until he pulled that 'decision' stunt and then that ridiculous pep rally in Miami. He alienated plenty of people that month.
Bosh might be more important "at the moment" but Wade is clearly the better player. It's clear as day that Wade has struggled this year with fitness and is affecting his play. As for Bosh, any big man worth the money could shine with LBJ and Wade, and if said big man were injured the same problems would occur, so it's not just "Bosh" it is the position and lack of depth. That said, it would be ironic should they choke again that Wade is the one traded off (though I doubt it happens). I just don't think Wade and LBJ compliment one another.
All these Heat "fans" would be on this side of the argument had Wade and Bosh and LBJ ran off to join the Cavs or Bulls or Knicks.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2956103
Ray Allen was also under contract and traded.
Btw, there is not wrong with players colluding it is only forbidden for clubs to do such in regards to salary (which is quite hypocritical of the players union). Something along those lines.
What Miami did was unprecedented and really rubbed fans the wrong way, hence so much contempt for the club at the moment. I was a big LBJ fan until he pulled that 'decision' stunt and then that ridiculous pep rally in Miami. He alienated plenty of people that month.
Bosh might be more important "at the moment" but Wade is clearly the better player. It's clear as day that Wade has struggled this year with fitness and is affecting his play. As for Bosh, any big man worth the money could shine with LBJ and Wade, and if said big man were injured the same problems would occur, so it's not just "Bosh" it is the position and lack of depth. That said, it would be ironic should they choke again that Wade is the one traded off (though I doubt it happens). I just don't think Wade and LBJ compliment one another.
All these Heat "fans" would be on this side of the argument had Wade and Bosh and LBJ ran off to join the Cavs or Bulls or Knicks.
You're right about Garnett. I remember his free agency being discussed heavily at the time, I thought he was a free agent. But practically he was, just like Howard now.
Besides, Boston finished the season before the trade with the worst record in the east and 2nd worst overall, so they weren't exactly "there" before the trade. It was obvious that they had the exact same scenario (3 maxed out stars + cheap supporting cast) planned in advance, just like Miami.
Besides, Boston finished the season before the trade with the worst record in the east and 2nd worst overall, so they weren't exactly "there" before the trade. It was obvious that they had the exact same scenario (3 maxed out stars + cheap supporting cast) planned in advance, just like Miami.
If by "fans" you mean muppets who just follow the stars wherever they go, then I think it won't trouble them to follow those three to their new destination, so they would still be on the same side of the argument.
And if you mean the real Miami fans who were thrilled that their team finally has a chance to compete, then you have just summed up the real reason why those Cavs/Bulls/Knicks... fans are really upset. Otherwise, why weren't they "on this side of the argument" when they were still hoping that it will be them who will be "chosen"?
Perhaps so, but we all know Miami is one of the most fickle sports towns in the country.