Nba 2008-2009

Denver is getting a lot of props a good deal of people think they will beat the Lakers, I would love to see it. I just don't think it is going to happen Kobe usually plays well in Denver, all things considered; but the Nuggets are playing much better basketball at the moment. Also, they probably, no they definently have the best leader left in the playoffs in Billups, he isnt as good as LeBron, Kobe, Melo, or Howard, but he is a floor general. It will be close 6 or 7 games either way.

Cleveland will take Orlando pretty easily I think, although I remember watching a game in mid March that Orlando needed to clinch the 2 spot in the East v Cleveland at home and they absolutely annihilated the Cavs. It will be interesting to see how things go, but if the Cavs take the first games at home, I dont see Orlando making much of the series.

I think in the end we will all just be witnesses.
 
He also picked Denver to win it all last week, well, it appears he didnt give it up after his New Year's Eve DUI after all. You do have to love Charles, he was ragging on Chris Weber so much last night, calling him stupid and stuff for the TO he called in the Championship game at Michigan.
 
That's too bad, at least the treatment for Parkinson's is improving who knows where it will be in 10 years time, have to feel for the guy, at least he still has his life, family, and can afford the best treatment though.
 
fecking A Sacramento got screwed haha, the lottery is a bunch of shit imo, but shit is shit, if not the Nuggets would have LeBron. Regardless Melo is on fire tonight, 66-65 Denver midway through the 3rd this game should go down to the wire.
 
Melo and Kobe have been great tonight battling each other
 
Alex said:
fecking A Sacramento got screwed haha, the lottery is a bunch of shit imo, but shit is shit, if not the Nuggets would have LeBron. Regardless Melo is on fire tonight, 66-65 Denver midway through the 3rd this game should go down to the wire.
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I love the idea of the draft lottery, except when my team is the one getting screwed. The saddest thing is that I almost now consider Blake Griffin a guaranteed bust since he'll be playing for one of the worst coaches in the league and gets to be tutored by Zach feckin Randolph.

Still hope for trading up to get Rubio or trading down to get more picks so all is not lost.

You can't beat the Lakers if you can't make free throws. As a Kings fan I have plenty of experience with that.
 
jveezy said:
I love the idea of the draft lottery, except when my team is the one getting screwed. The saddest thing is that I almost now consider Blake Griffin a guaranteed bust since he'll be playing for one of the worst coaches in the league and gets to be tutored by Zach feckin Randolph.

Still hope for trading up to get Rubio or trading down to get more picks so all is not lost.

You can't beat the Lakers if you can't make free throws. As a Kings fan I have plenty of experience with that.
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They gave it away at the end, that was a horrible in bound pass.

That's the thing about the lottery though, the worst team is continually screwed by the system, really shows you the lack of class in the NBA considering they had to institute a draft because teams were trying to lose games for the 1st pick in the draft.
 
Alex said:
they had to institute a draft because teams were trying to lose games for the 1st pick in the draft.
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Reason #1

I think it's fine as it is, considering only 2 losses seperated last and the Clippers it's absolutely fine as it is.
 
The lottery came about because it was either proven or thought that Houston was intentionally throwing games in the early 80s in order to get high draft positions. Back-to-back shit seasons earned them the top pick, and thus Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon became the 'Twin Towers.'
 
In terms of expectations, I certainly think the Clippers were the saddest team in the NBA especially with the amount of talent they have on the roster so in that sense they certainly deserve the first pick. For feck's sake they lost the season series with the Kings so they definitely deserve the pick if you use Liverpool logic. The Clippers are just a sad franchise and the fact that people are already talking about Blake Griffin's career being ruined says it all.

If they're going to use a lottery, I wouldn't mind them simply drawing all 14 teams rather than just the top 3. At least teams like the Clippers and the Grizzlies that are annual lottery participants can get shafted with the 13th or 14th pick just as easily as they can jump into the top 3.

As far as tanking goes, I can't say the Kings didn't do their fair share at least when it came to resting players that were only slightly injured and the Wizards definitely deserved to get shafted as well. OKC made really big strides this year and it's nice to see them get a push in the right direction. It's just tough seeing teams that continuously find themselves at the bottom of the league jump into the top 3 ahead of teams that really need the help.

Maybe a system where if a team is in the lottery three or four years in a row, they're disqualified from the top 3 would be nice.

Oh well. Geoff Petrie will hopefully make a good pick. There's a lot of talent still left at #4 and the only concern is that there's a lot more bust potential in this draft than in recent drafts, especially compared to last year's really good class.
 
All teams not in the playoffs are drawn in the lottery, but it's weighted with the worst team record-wise having more balls in the bin and so on. So the odds of the worst three teams of getting a top three pick are greater than say a team that just missed the playoffs by a few games. We only see the final three as the NBA hypes that portion.

I remember when Orlando barely missed the playoffs in the early 90s and somehow finished with a top three pick. Think they drafted Anfernee Hardaway and made the finals that year (or the next year). It was the Chris Webber draft I think.
 
MrMarcello said:
All teams not in the playoffs are drawn in the lottery, but it's weighted with the worst team record-wise having more balls in the bin and so on. So the odds of the worst three teams of getting a top three pick are greater than say a team that just missed the playoffs by a few games. We only see the final three as the NBA hypes that portion.

I remember when Orlando barely missed the playoffs in the early 90s and somehow finished with a top three pick. Think they drafted Anfernee Hardaway and made the finals that year (or the next year). It was the Chris Webber draft I think.
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Yep it was that year. Actually Orlando drafted Chris Webber #1 overall and traded him to Golden State for Hardaway plus change. I think it was the next year that they made the finals.

The weighting is nice but if they were to draw all 14 spots it would be nice, because a team that just missed the playoffs can jump maybe to the 10th spot instead of only to the top 3. Otherwise struggling mediocre teams get stuck just missing the playoffs over and over again while teams that are terrible get a huge boost from the draft and leapfrog them (unless you're the Clippers. In that case you'll just stay shit).
 
That's interesting, surprised CLeveland lost that one, reckon they just switched it off after that three at the end of the 2nd quarter. They should still do the Magic, but Howard does present a problem when he plays well. Orlando live and die by the three when they are on, they can be tough to stop but that's the thing about living by the trifecta, more often than not you by die by it too.
 
Decent game so far, LA will still probably pull it out but we will see.
 
Can someone explain how three officials missed a Denver player interfering on that late jump ball by entering the circle before the ball was tapped? That should have been a loose ball foul.
 
There is a great discussion about the NBA draft lottery on ESPN between Bill Simmons and Malcolm Gladwell, the author of "Blink" and the "Tipping Point." Gladwell thinks it should be abolished, and both of them had ideas for changing it.

Getting the #1 pick doesn't mean shit, especially nowadays. It's really more about the organization of the club. For example, I follow the shittiest NBA team in the league, the Warriors. They are so fecking embarrassing, I'm ashamed to admit I'm a fan. They have missed the playoffs for the last 15 years, bar one. They constantly get high draft picks, yet they still fail. Why? Because they are run by people who don't care about winning. Contrast that with Man Utd, who are driven by a 70 year old who has won everything, yet still hungers to win more. :devil:

It's not that the Cavs and the Nuggets got Lebron and Melo that they became good, it's that they changed the whole franchise around after they acquired them, down to even the team colors. Players wanted to play in Cleveland. No one wants to play for the Clippers, even though they are in L.A.
 
chewingkebabs said:
There is a great discussion about the NBA draft lottery on ESPN between Bill Simmons and Malcolm Gladwell, the author of "Blink" and the "Tipping Point." Gladwell thinks it should be abolished, and both of them had ideas for changing it.

Getting the #1 pick doesn't mean shit, especially nowadays. It's really more about the organization of the club. For example, I follow the shittiest NBA team in the league, the Warriors. They are so fecking embarrassing, I'm ashamed to admit I'm a fan. They have missed the playoffs for the last 15 years, bar one. They constantly get high draft picks, yet they still fail. Why? Because they are run by people who don't care about winning. Contrast that with Man Utd, who are driven by a 70 year old who has won everything, yet still hungers to win more. :devil:

It's not that the Cavs and the Nuggets got Lebron and Melo that they became good, it's that they changed the whole franchise around after they acquired them, down to even the team colors. Players wanted to play in Cleveland. No one wants to play for the Clippers, even though they are in L.A.
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You also must consider Melo was the third pick as well. Clubs can totally waste a pick, had Detroit gone after Melo or DWade at No.2 they would have won several titles imo, instead they went with Darko Millchic, hell I dont even know how to spell the piece of shits name. So you can still feck a lot of things up so I agree, unless it is proven you tried to lose games, which in the end didnt hurt Houston one bit considering they kept The Dream and Sampson. Another bullshit thing is when a good team loses their best player, and gets the top pick, San Antonio cough cough, had there been no lottery the history of the 2000s in the NBA would have been quite different because I doubt San Antonio would have been a dynasty without their best player.
 
chewingkebabs said:
There is a great discussion about the NBA draft lottery on ESPN between Bill Simmons and Malcolm Gladwell, the author of "Blink" and the "Tipping Point." Gladwell thinks it should be abolished, and both of them had ideas for changing it.

Getting the #1 pick doesn't mean shit, especially nowadays. It's really more about the organization of the club. For example, I follow the shittiest NBA team in the league, the Warriors. They are so fecking embarrassing, I'm ashamed to admit I'm a fan. They have missed the playoffs for the last 15 years, bar one. They constantly get high draft picks, yet they still fail. Why? Because they are run by people who don't care about winning. Contrast that with Man Utd, who are driven by a 70 year old who has won everything, yet still hungers to win more. :devil:

It's not that the Cavs and the Nuggets got Lebron and Melo that they became good, it's that they changed the whole franchise around after they acquired them, down to even the team colors. Players wanted to play in Cleveland. No one wants to play for the Clippers, even though they are in L.A.
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I actually just listened to that podcast. I absolutely agree about the poor management. That's why I suggested in an earlier post that if you're so bad for a long time, you should be disqualified from a top 3 spot in the draft. Some criteria like being one of the ten worst teams in the league for five straight years or so is a pretty decent indication that your team is going nowhere.
 
Anderson Searl said:
Bargnani :nervous"

If he doesn't average 20-5-5 next season he's a failure.
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He is a failure for the No 1 pick in the draft, European and non US players are a fecking risk dont get me wrong, some of them can flat out ball, but for the most part a lot of their skills dont fully translate to the NBA. I know one of them Nicoloz Tshivizdivili, nice guy, but ffs one of the worst NBA players I have ever seen. On the other hand you have players like Tony Parker and Man Utd Ginobli but they were both 2nd round picks!!!! Unless they are a can't miss prospect, I would NEVER draft a European player in the top 5, and their arent many can't miss prospects from Europe because their style of play is so different. This Ricky Rubio is probably gonna be a bust and people have him rated as the no 2/3 pick in the draft no thanks
 
That call on Hedo was the worst I have ever seen, want to see LeBron win regardless though, poor call
 
Cleveland down by 2 with a sec to go, hmmm are they in trouble yeah, they need to take both in Orlando, be a more interesting finals, didnt see this happening, maybe LeBron will hit a winner
 
Sorry but that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read
 
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