This isn't true. Nani has been in and out of the team.
Edit - Misread your post, sorry.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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This isn't true. Nani has been in and out of the team.
Edit - Misread your post, sorry.
I won't mind this at all if its a straight swap with Carvalho with a little money going Sporting's way anything else like first option is stupid.
I not as worried by our choice of winger without him as some are because once our CM begins to look better and retains the ball much better the wingers we have will work much better.
I not as worried by our choice of winger without him as some are because once our CM begins to look better and retains the ball much better the wingers we have will work much better.
People like Young and Valencia have been a big part of why we can't really keep hold of the ball, to be fair. Composure in the final third and on the wings has been easily as bad an aspect of our play as anything our centre mids have been responsible for.
Have to say, I'm not largely concerned at any departures (unless it involves De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Carrick, Rooney, van Persie, Welbeck or Januzaj - but they're obvious) providing we are backing it up with arrivals. No point in weakening the squad by removing a number without some sort of plan to reinvigorate the team!
A loan makes even less sense with Nani given the arguably worse players in the team. But we can all agree something isn't quite right with Nani and hasn't been for a while, if he can get a decent move to a club closer to his level he can forge a decent career and hopefully we get a few quid back. But as I say providing we replace player with equal or better talents, I'm not largely concerned. Starting with Nani and Anderson makes some sense.
A loan makes even less sense with Nani given the arguably worse players in the team. But we can all agree something isn't quite right with Nani and hasn't been for a while, if he can get a decent move to a club closer to his level he can forge a decent career and hopefully we get a few quid back. But as I say providing we replace player with equal or better talents, I'm not largely concerned. Starting with Nani and Anderson makes some sense.
Not really - though Chabon's point isn't really correct either. He certainly got frozen out after Stoke, but it seemed that Moyes had pretty much got over that by December.
Once he'd signed the contract and come back from his September injury he came in and started five domestic games (presumably rotated out for CL) in a row, culminating with Stoke. He was then totally dropped, without so much as a sub appearance for the next five matches, before being allowed back in for the Champions League against Leverkusen. His performances in that match could probably be described as the epitomy of grabbing your chance, and he was rewarded with sub appearances in the next two matches, before eventually being trusted again to start against Newcastle, only to get injured again.
Ah I misread his post. Yeah, he started five consecutive Premier League games, but I thought he said he was in the team after the Stoke game.
Display? You mean when just came on and grabbed a goal late in the game?
He played 90 mins.
He started the game, mate.
Just shows what a forgettable game he had.
It shows you have a poor memory rather then him having a forgettable game if anything. He got a 9.21 rating on whoscored, and was one of our best players on the day, even got MotM according to them. The goal was fully deserved and capped off an excellence performance.
What a load of bollocks. Seems like it's you who's got the poor memory. Kagawa, Giggs, Valencia and Rooney were all far more impressive than him.
What a load of bollocks. Seems like it's you who's got the poor memory. Kagawa, Giggs, Valencia and Rooney were all far more impressive than him.
What, is it a load of bollocks that whoscored rated him as man of the match? Check it out yourself if you don't believe me. Kagawa, Giggs and Rooney were all better IMO yeah but he was still really good on the day.
Right, forgot that whoscored.com is thee holy truth in football.
Did I say that? I said he had a very good game all around, and showed how they rated him as their man of the match. All you said was he did nothing but score the goal because you couldn't remember him doing anything.
Why would we get him to sign a 5 year deal only to loan/sell him straight away? He's been injured for the most part this season, it's not like Moyes has just been benching him for no reason. He seemed to be getting some chances while he was fit.
Either way, letting Nani leave and keeping Young would be ridiculous.
Either way, letting Nani leave and keeping Young would be ridiculous.
I don't think we'll loan him out or sell him just yet but I think the 5 year deal was to protect his value or hope he improves. In that way it's basically win-win. If he improves then we've got a brilliant winger if he doesn't we sell him and get a decent fee.
Nani did start that Leverkusen game but he certainly wasn't one if our better players. He was having an unfortunate night until the goal.
When is he due back from injury?
When is he due back from injury?
I'd be very kind to even call you a mere moron....
I get what you are saying but name me a player who doesn't need a run of games and can slot in start away and producing the goods. It's such a generic statement.
Even Hernandez, the ultimate super sub, has found it hard this season to come in and perform due to lacking match fitness.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/nani.370479/page-68
People couldn't stop raving about his all-round display aside from the goal. Clearly Motm ahead of Rooney who had a hand in almost all of the goals.
People couldn't stop raving about his all-round display aside from the goal. Clearly Motm ahead of Rooney who had a hand in almost all of the goals.
It's somewhere in the middle. He wasn't poor at all, he had a good game, especially the second half, he was very good.
Hernandez and the ultimate example which is Solskjaer. I remember Fergie saying how when Ole was on the bench that he was always watching and concentrating on the game, looking at the opponent and analysing their defensive vulnerabilities. This meant that when he came on, he knew exactly what to do and it was why he was so good in that capacity. Also why he is likely to be a good manager from a tactical point of view.
Compare that with players now who are sitting on their phones and not even watching the match and it's a pretty clear cut comparison. Coming on as a sub can give one the opportunity to really influence a game and make a difference. The manager and the fans always remember if a player comes off the bench and changes the game, and the fact that you have fresh legs can make a big difference too. If a player is intelligent enough to watch and study the game before they come on then they will have a much better impact.
I have somewhat deviated from the original point there, but Nani isn't one of those players for me, he needs regular match time more than most in my view. You are right that this will apply to a certain extent to most players, but for me it affects Nani more than most, and I don't feel he has been given the sort of run he needs to really judge his performance properly.
You have kind of deviated from the point I was trying to make - which is that practically everyone needs a run of games to get unto speed, as you say apart from someone like Solskjaer (a one off).
I feel that Rooney and Nani always get this 'excuse' that they need a run of games when in truth it's something that probably applies to 99% of the players.
Clearly most people benefit from a run of games but it does seem to also be the case that some are affected by it more than others. Some will come in after an absence and play at 50% of their normal standard, say, rising to 80% the next game and then hit top gear after that. Others might come in at 70% and look like they were never away the next game. Some take four or five games to get into the groove, others adjust quickly. Obviously the reason for the absence will play a part as well, but the point is surely that some players' form is particularly vulnerable to absence, while others find it much easier to get back into it.
DM seem pretty convinced he's going. Surely not after signing a new contract and his ability compared to others in the squad.
Daily Mail or David Moyes? Confused me there with the DM.
Yeah, don't think he would be giving Nani a new 5 year deal if he didn't want him to stick around. A loan deal would be ridiculous.
I just can't see us selling Nani or sending him out on loan unless we bring someone else in, in that position which I can't see.
Thing is the papers have been reporting on Nani leaving for about a year and a half now, and they have been wrong time and time again. All the rumours for him leaving then he signed a new contract. Just the same happening now really.
It's possible his contract was signed to preserve his value. I have reached the point where, although I see Nani in United's strongest XI presently, I wouldn't really lose sleep if he were sold, as I still think that what we get from him is in general not enough. That said, I would not be pleased if his going meant the other two (Young and Valencia) have been chosen as more worthy of keeping. Ideally, I'd like to see Valencia out the door first. After that, if it transpired that Moyes wanted rid of Nani too, I could live with that.
I think Nani no longer wanrw to play for United. Its clear with his body language even when he was here. but moyes was willing to actually let his contract roll down to an end. This will not favor Nani as if he is frozen out, he will not be in form to play in the World Cup. Remember he was injured in last WC/ Euros and was desperate to play but couldnt recover on time.hence, Nani cant afford to wait 6 months and sign for another club on a Bosman.
hence, in a win win situatuon. moyes signs him to a 5 yr deal to increase his market value while promising Nani verbally/ inserted clause that he be allowed to leave once a club offered a certain amount that is acceptable.i believe he also favors a move to Juve that had indicatde interest. This prob explains why Moyes was at Juve prob to negotiate a exchange deal with a juve midfilder as they have 4 in their ranks
hence, in a win win situatuon. moyes signs him to a 5 yr deal to increase his market value while promising Nani verbally/ inserted clause that he be allowed to leave once a club offered a certain amount that is acceptable.i believe he also favors a move to Juve that had indicatde interest. This prob explains why Moyes was at Juve prob to negotiate a exchange deal with a juve midfilder as they have 4 in their ranks
5 years though? If nobody wants to sign him, then he would be stuck on the fringes and the best years of his footballing career would be wasted. I don't buy that, Moyes obviously wanted to give him a new start and unfortunately he's carried up a few knocks and not really managed to get anything going. The latest hamstring injury is unfortunate as he would probably be in the team over Valencia right now.
I can see why United would put a contract in front of Nani even if they didnt plan to keep him. It would carry a risk and it implies at the very least they regard him as a valuable asset, if they didnt plan to keep him they must be confident offers will come in from clubs willing to meet his wage demands. But it is much less clear a player would sign a contract with a club they didnt want to play for anymore. Ronaldo did it, that seemed to be part of the deal to let him go to Madrid, to ensure we got the best money possible. But that was quite a unique situation. All Nani would be doing is reducing his earning potential. I dont quite understand the logic above, why it would be better for Nani to be in contract, even with a release clause, than just to walk away a free agent?
If Nani seems like a player who is frustrated and unhappy it is more likely to be with his own form and fitness, rather than a desire to leave the club. The new contract did surprise me at the time because until then I assumed he wanted out as well.
I agree. Moyes must rate him otherwise 5 years doesn't make sense.
I just feel frustrated that he never gets an extended run in the side. First sign of a poor game and he's out of the side.
They're bound to be right eventually, then the headlines will proclaim "We called it, we know everything about transfers, you heard it here first, we said it would happen X years ago & now look!"
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