Nani will reignite our charge to the title

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Amidst the reams of Mcfeckwittery in this thread, I'm duty-bound to point out this classic.

Ekeke said:
Evra. In the past few seasons Nani linked up with him on the left better than any of our other wingers.
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Got that?

In the past few seasons, Nani has linked up with Evra better than any of our other wingers.

But wait...

Ekeke said:
Playing on our left wing is more complicated and less direct than playing on our right wing. Whoever plays on the left comes inside and floats about to create space for Evra. The player on the right just gets the ball and crosses it in. Both Valencia and Nani are better at the 'easier' more direct role on the right whereas Park and Giggs are very comfortable with the more tactical task of playing on the left. Nani and Valencia could learn to play the left role but it'll take more time than the role on the right and sometimes our supporters lack patience.
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Apparently both Park and Giggs are actually better suited to playing with Evra on the left-wing.

Go figure.
 
R_Nick said:
Ekeke said:
Nah, you were asserting that I said anyone who doesnt rate him on the left hates Nani. Thats not true, I've no idea why you felt the need to say that.
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Show me where I said that.

But there are people who do hate Nani, some admitting they dont like him because of how he looks. I only refered to those people.
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Who, then?
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*cough*
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Amidst the reams of Mcfeckwittery in this thread, I'm duty-bound to point out this classic.



Got that?

In the past few seasons, Nani has linked up with Evra better than any of our other wingers.

But wait...



Apparently both Park and Giggs are actually better suited to playing with Evra on the left-wing.

Go figure.
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Pogue Mahone misses the point again.

Evra played best linking up with Nani, not the other way around. Evra played his best attacking games while Nani wasn't as good as he has been at times on the right. Evra was just the answer to the question of who links up well with Nani. It doesn't mean he's brilliant on the left wing, but generally Evra does well bombing past him when the two play together.

Giggs and Park have had more matches where they've attacked well down the left, but that doesnt mean they've got the best out of Evra in attack.
 
Ekeke said:
You can cough all you want, I'm bored of you trying to talk your way out of it. We both know you read my post wrong and made a bunch of needless points about something other than what I actually said.
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:lol: Seriously? That's what you're going with?

You're a card, you are. Back up your claim numpty.
 
Ekeke said:
Pogue Mahone misses the point again.

Evra played best linking up with Nani, not the other way around. Evra played his best attacking games while Nani wasn't as good as he has been at times on the right. Evra was just the answer to the question of who links up well with Nani. It doesn't mean he's brilliant on the left wing, but generally Evra does well bombing past him when the two play together.

Giggs and Park have had more matches where they've attacked well down the left, but that doesnt mean they've got the best out of Evra in attack.
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:lol:

What a load of cock.

It really is amusing the absurd knots you tie yourself in to avoid admitting you're ever wrong about anything. Amusing but just a tiny bit depressing.
 
R_Nick said:
:lol: Seriously? That's what you're going with?

You're a card, you are. Back up your claim numpty.
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At no point did you back up your inaccruate claim, I'm not willing to put in any more effort than you are. You aren't so fun to converse with that I would go to those lengths.

You were talking about me claiming that people who dont rate Nani on the left hate him. I didn't say that, I said that the people who hate Nani will claim a good performance wasnt such a good one. The people who hate Nani. Not just people as a whole. There are others who dont rate him for other reasons such as inconsistant sometimes poor performances. I didnt say there were no other reasons for people to note rate him on the left, just that the ones who have freely admitted to not liking Nani in another thread (because of the way he looks) arent going to give him credit for his "good" performances on the left, because they werent so great that they cant be denied. Unlike a few on the right.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol:

What a load of cock.

It really is amusing the absurd knots you tie yourself in to avoid admitting you're ever wrong about anything. Amusing but just a tiny bit depressing.
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You don't understand football do you?

So according to your logic, all someone has to do to play better on the left than Giggs and Park is pass the ball to Evra well.

Well thats just brilliant. Maybe if you do a bit of training concentrating on passing the ball to small French defenders, you could get a trial at United and be the solution to Giggs no longer being the left winger he used to be. You could wow everyone with your ability to pass to Evra and let him push on beyond you each game. You'd be such an amazing player.

Please, give it a try.
 
In your head, when you're claiming people have said things that they haven't, does it actually make your argument stronger? I'm genuinely interested in just what goes on between your ears!
 
R_Nick said:
In your head, when you're claiming people have said things that they haven't, does it actually make your argument stronger? I'm genuinely interested in just what goes on between your ears!
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You're very peculiar. I'd rather you didn't think about parts of my body to be honest.

Its also a very interesting tactic to assert the same arguments someone else has already used towards you, against them in the same thread, a few posts later. Unoriginal and inaccurate, but interesting all the same.
 
Ekeke said:
You're very peculiar. I'd rather you didn't think about parts of my body to be honest.

Its also a very interesting tactic to assert the same arguments someone else has already used towards you, against them in the same thread, a few posts later. Unoriginal and inaccurate, but interesting all the same.
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What are you on about? I've asked you to back up what you said earlier and you've dodged the request by attempting to rise above it. Back up what you said and maybe you'll be taken more seriously. All you ever do when questioned on things is twist what people have said or even outright lie about it and you just look like a complete idiot.
 
MadDogg said:
He's always been more consistent on the right though, Pogue. Even SAF mentioned something about it a few weeks ago, saying how well he's done since getting a run on the right.
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Which is what is most strange. He made his name at Benfica and at age group level as a left sided player. The chief reason we signed him. Why it hasn't consistently worked for him at this level down the left is a mystery indeed.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Which is what is most strange. He made his name at Benfica and at age group level as a left sided player. The chief reason we signed him. Why it hasn't consistently worked for him at this level down the left is a mystery indeed.
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Didn't Nani play for Sporting, or are we not allowed to mention Sporting in Pogue's presence. I do think the left,right debate is a bit of a mute point, as regardless of what side Nani plays on he usually doesn't play anywhere near his potential and is continually wasteful and withdrawn from the match, sadly
 
Alex said:
Didn't Nani play for Sporting, or are we not allowed to mention Sporting in Pogue's presence.
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Youu; right. I mixed up my clubs. He was a Sporting Club boy.


Alex said:
I do think the left,right debate is a bit of a mute point, as regardless of what side Nani plays on he usually doesn't play anywhere near his potential and is continually wasteful and withdrawn from the match, sadly
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It can't be denied though that he has been at his best on the right way more than he has been on the left. When he has showed up for us.
 
In the second half yea. Someone mentioned in the match day thread that he seemed to improve as the half progressed after his assist which suggests once his confidence is up he will realise he can do it on the left every bit as well as on the right.
 
I think even Nani will admit his first half was terrible

But grew as the match went on. Brilliant ball to Rooney for the 2nd !
 
R_Nick said:
In the second half yea. Someone mentioned in the match day thread that he seemed to improve as the half progressed after his assist which suggests once his confidence is up he will realise he can do it on the left every bit as well as on the right.
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He was just a bit sloppy in his passing first half, his positioning, defensive play and workrate was very good.
 
He was "decent" in the first half it would be kind to say. In the second half he played as well as he has done on the left.
 
datura said:
He was just a bit sloppy in his passing first half, his positioning, defensive play and workrate was very good.
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Correct. He lost the ball 5 times with sloppy passing, but his main focus in the first half was covering the left flank when their right back went forward, and he did that very well.
 
His defensive positioning was a bit off a few times in the first half too. I don't think his work rate is ever a problem really, but yes his passing was the big problem in the first half. That pass to Rooney for the goal at the start of the second half shows the kind of thing he's capable of though, and I think once he realised it himself he only got better.
 
datura said:
He was just a bit sloppy in his passing first half, his positioning, defensive play and workrate was very good.
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Agreed. I didn't think he was bad in the first half at all. He did very well defensively. In the second half he really stepped up and put the Milan defence under constant pressure. It was an excellent performance.

I think Nani's willingness to get back and defend is often understated. This isn't the first big game he's done well in that aspect... I remember him doing very well against Arsenal at Old Trafford last August tracking back and limiting Sagna's influence.
 
I thought Nani gave a very Giggs 2009/10 display: lots of careless passing but one or two moments of magic including a sublime assist. Not quite sure whether to focus on the good aspects or the bad.

I would actually select Nani ahead of Giggs at this point but I wish he was slightly more careful with his passing. Park must surely be used as our attacking midfield player from now on.
 
I thought while he worked very hard, but he had some trouble defensively all game and left space for Abate time and again. Not his fault, he did his best, he just doesn't know how to defend all that well.

Once again he showed he's a very talented creative passer though, which makes it all the more frustrating that he can't do the simple passes.
 
Its just a confidence thing Brwned. Once he got going in the second half he was putting it on a plate to several of our players (only to balls it up). That pass to Rooney was sublime.

Nani is the ultimate confidence player, when the tails up he can beat anyone. When the tails down, he worse than the pope. It's just a case of building his confidence and making him believe that he could be an exceptional player. His skill i'd say is probably the best in the squad, it's sublime at times.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Its just a confidence thing Brwned. Once he got going in the second half he was putting it on a plate to several of our players (only to balls it up). That pass to Rooney was sublime.

Nani is the ultimate confidence player, when the tails up he can beat anyone. When the tails down, he worse than the pope. It's just a case of building his confidence and making him believe that he could be an exceptional player. His skill i'd say is probably the best in the squad, it's sublime at times.
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I reckon he should do some yoga.It really helps from a psychological aspect.
What a sexy pass for the second goal :drool:
 
kouroux said:
I reckon he should do some yoga.It really helps from a psychological aspect.
What a sexy pass for the second goal :drool:
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I could watch that 2nd goal all day (may do that tomorrow).

Having both Nani and Valencia on form would be a frightening prospect to play against. Raw speed, ability and skill not to mention they're both good at winning the ball back. Rooney will easily get past 42 goals if they can keep the form going.

Exciting times :)
 
I'm not convinced of this Nani in the left for the long term future, it'll do for this season, but we can do better.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Its just a confidence thing Brwned. Once he got going in the second half he was putting it on a plate to several of our players (only to balls it up). That pass to Rooney was sublime.

Nani is the ultimate confidence player, when the tails up he can beat anyone. When the tails down, he worse than the pope. It's just a case of building his confidence and making him believe that he could be an exceptional player. His skill i'd say is probably the best in the squad, it's sublime at times.
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yup... This
 
R_Nick said:
You mean you want to play him elsewhere or not play him?
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In the long term I'd like to see him as a backup winger, with someone better than him on the left brought in, an out and out Left footed winger who just looks the Biz on the left.

Nani for me should be a backup player and used as an understudy to Valencia on the right.

For this season however, I ain't got a problem with Fergie using him on the left as we ain't got much options.. but you've got to be blind to think its a rip roaring success and that Nani looks world class in that position.

He was up against a shit full back today and his ball retention was Nani-esque, his dribbling was average.. it was a shit performance bar that great through ball, I admired his tracking back.. even if it wasn't effective, I place the onus on Evra to defend and he was off today. Overall I'm meh, he'll do for now.. but we need a better left winger.
 
Raees said:
I'm not convinced of this Nani in the left for the long term future, it'll do for this season, but we can do better.
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If we give him time he'll get better at it, its just about patience. We know how talented he is, how brilliant he can be on the right. Now its about giving him time to continue learning a position he's not brilliant at yet. Rooney wasn't very good leading the line at first, nor was he that good with his head. With time he got better and now look at him. You wouldnt want anyone else leading the line or having a headed chance.

There are players we could sign who could come in and straight away do a better job on the left. But usually at United, when we have clearly talented young players we give them the time they need. We really arent bad off for wingers, our set is the best in the league and Nani, Valencia, Obertan and even Tosic will only get better each season. He could yet be a good option off the bench.
 
Ekeke said:
If we give him time he'll get better at it, its just about patience. We know how talented he is, how brilliant he can be on the right. Now its about giving him time to continue learning a position he's not brilliant at yet. Rooney wasn't very good leading the line at first, nor was he that good with his head. With time he got better and now look at him. You wouldnt want anyone else leading the line or having a headed chance.

There are players we could sign who could come in and straight away do a better job on the left. But usually at United, when we have clearly talented young players we give them the time they need. We really arent bad off for wingers, our set is the best in the league and Nani, Valencia, Obertan and even Tosic will only get better each season. He could yet be a good option off the bench.
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I want him to stay no matter what, however if he can improve himself strengthwise and not play like a Fanny, he might be half decent on the left.
 
Raees said:
In the long term I'd like to see him as a backup winger, with someone better than him on the left brought in, an out and out Left footed winger who just looks the Biz on the left.

Nani for me should be a backup player and used as an understudy to Valencia on the right.

For this season however, I ain't got a problem with Fergie using him on the left as we ain't got much options.. but you've got to be blind to think its a rip roaring success and that Nani looks world class in that position.

He was up against a shit full back today and his ball retention was Nani-esque, his dribbling was average.. it was a shit performance bar that great through ball, I admired his tracking back.. even if it wasn't effective, I place the onus on Evra to defend and he was off today. Overall I'm meh, he'll do for now.. but we need a better left winger.
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You are a ray of sunshine.

He's played too few a games to make a definitive judgement. No one has said he is world class, but there have been definite signs of late that he is finding some consistency, we just have to be patient. As for a 'shit' performance maybe you are the blind one :)
 
Ekeke said:
If we give him time he'll get better at it, its just about patience. We know how talented he is, how brilliant he can be on the right. Now its about giving him time to continue learning a position he's not brilliant at yet. Rooney wasn't very good leading the line at first, nor was he that good with his head. With time he got better and now look at him. You wouldnt want anyone else leading the line or having a headed chance.

There are players we could sign who could come in and straight away do a better job on the left. But usually at United, when we have clearly talented young players we give them the time they need. We really arent bad off for wingers, our set is the best in the league and Nani, Valencia, Obertan and even Tosic will only get better each season. He could yet be a good option off the bench.
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Good post.I agree entirely
 
I could warm to the idea of him on the left. The first half he was old Nani. Second half he was new Nani. If he can take the confidence from the second half, and stick with it, he could turn out to be a good prospect bombing down the left. Him and Valencia on the wings would be devastating.
 
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