Then by that definition you must be a wee laddy.
Nani will reignite our charge to the title
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Then by that definition you must be a wee laddy.
Exactly!I'm trying to point that out. Arshavin may be of less weight, but he has a good low centre of gravity and uses it effectively. Its about using your Arse too. IMO Nani doesn't.. not yet anyway.
I just think Nani's goes down a bit easily sometimes. Something which is endemic in players who learned the game in Portugal.
I don't think it's because he lacks strength, he's just looking for a free-kick. He's got a fairly strong physique, just needs to use it a bit more effectively. So I'm probably agreeing with you, come to think of it.
I'm just a cnut. No chip on my shoulder.
I look down at your from up here. I pity you, you short-arse.
For some reason, small people wear too much hair gel.
Stop it.
Stop it.
And bracelets and necklesses.
Putting the laptop on the floor and reading it from your chair doesn't make you any taller than a fellow poster.
My hairstyles kinda like Vidic, short.. so I wouldn't know tbf.
Putting the laptop on the floor and reading it from your chair doesn't make you any taller than a fellow poster.
My laptop is taller than you.
And I put it on the floor because I have to type with my toes.
Yes, he was attacking against a midfielder playing in defence. He was also having to track back and defend against a midfielder doubling up with another player on the wing. So its not much of a surprise that they looked to get Abate in. Nani did well tracking back a number of times, was caught letting his man go when he got really deep in his half too. Overall in the first half he had some good moments, but too many poor moments. In the second half the poor moments were minimal and the good moments were plenty. In the end, not too bad for a player who "definitely wont start against Milan".
This. He had both good and bad moments that I can't understand how it can be written of as a completely poor half. Rooney was a lot worse in the way he gave up the ball with the little flicks/touches. Rooney had a chance to play an open Nani in when he took that left footed shot early - had Nani scored from that but, done all the poor things rest of the half, would he have so easily been forgiven as Rooney? Doubtful.
I think the more games he plays out there on the left and given some encouragement even when he does something wrong, he'll deliver.
Looking forward to Sunday. SAF is going to have one hell of a conundrum if we play 4-4-2 on which wingers to leave out, considering that Sir Ryan might be back in contention.
Nani was atrocious for the first 20 minutes. Right up there with the worst performances he's ever had. Gave the ball straight to the opposition virtually every time he touched it, although to be fair he was at least getting back and doing his defensive work.
But after the 20 minute mark he seemed to settle down and just started playing the simple ball, making sure he mantained possession and kept the ball moving. Became much more solid after that.
But after the 20 minute mark he seemed to settle down and just started playing the simple ball, making sure he mantained possession and kept the ball moving. Became much more solid after that.
I know your grasp of the finer details of debate on here is as inept as your ability to keep a discussion on track but I made that particular comment before I remembered Carrick was out.
Nani wouldn't have started if Carrick was available. Which would have been the correct decision, based on what we saw from Park, Valencia and Nani on the night.
You thought Valencia was better than Nani overall?
I thought his performance was exactly what we needed for that particular game. Almost never conceded possession cheaply and was a rock defensively. Maybe didn't create as much as he could have but that wasn't what we needed.
Nani was a defensive liability in the first half. If Milan had got an early goal it could have all gone horribly wrong.
But anyway, yeah, I did think Valencia was better overall. Didn't you?
If Nani can deliver moments of genius like the pass to Rooney, he can be shit offensively for another 80 minutes, it's those game changing moments we need from him. Valencia already provides the consistency.
I don't think Nani was that bad defensively, he put the effort in, but it just wasn't his day. Other games this season, his defense has never been a point of criticism. By the way, we needed to kill the game off as soon as possible, not hang on to a draw or a low level loss against Milan.
I thought that Nani was our third best player of the match (behind Park and Fletcher) and although he cheaply gave away possession in the first half, you could see that he was trying to do the right thing. He passed at the right time and to the right person, except the ball would be too far ahead or too far behind the receiving player. To compensate for that, he tracked back a lot and bar two or three times when he let them get crosses in from the left, he defended pretty well. Of course, Nani is expected to defend as well as attack, but it's not all his fault that those crosses came in -- where was Evra to block them?
In the second half, the number of times he set one of our players up was phenomenal. Off the top of my head, I can name the Rooney cross, the Fletcher shot, the pass for Gibson, the cross which Valencia almost put in, and the shot where he cut in from the left. I'm a big fan of Valencia but I don't remember him doing much (not to slate him, he did a great job keeping Ronaldinho in check).
Best player of the match?
fecking hell.
fecking hell.
third best player of the match (behind Park and Fletcher)
Did you feel the same way about Rooney then? Because Rooney was even worse in gifting possession and inviting pressure back on us. I agree with you on the problems Nani caused us by him losing the ball needlessly, just seeing if you are even handed in the criticism towards Rooney.
Also, as good as Valencia is defensively, he gives away free kicks in dangerous spots often. Personally I feel Valencia gets shafted every time he touches a player, ref blows the whistle. Hardly seen him given the benefit of the doubt but, needs to be a bit more careful as such.
Using your strength effectively and being strong are too entirely different things, that's the point.
Nani's stronger than Arshavin, Arshavin makes better use of his lesser strength.
But he's definitely not as strong.
No, you're right, I've never watched him play before. I'm lying really, talking about players I've never actually seen before.
Absolutely.
Probably marking his man Huntelaar, he likes to drift in a lot.
On the other hand Abate was Nani's man, and he was usually the one crossing it in with far too much space.
Sir Alex obviously doesn't feel the same way.
Nani is not as strong as you guys like to make out though.
The picture from the dressing room is always pulled out, where he looks ripped. But he isn't big by any margin, he just has a muscular body with very little fat. The weight isn't there though.
Rooney is a strong footballer. He has muscles but he also has weight to put in. He has a strong pair of legs too which is important in being "footballing strong".
I agree with the idea of Nani not using his strength well enough by the way, but I don't think he is a strong footballer anyway.
The picture from the dressing room is always pulled out, where he looks ripped. But he isn't big by any margin, he just has a muscular body with very little fat. The weight isn't there though.
Rooney is a strong footballer. He has muscles but he also has weight to put in. He has a strong pair of legs too which is important in being "footballing strong".
I agree with the idea of Nani not using his strength well enough by the way, but I don't think he is a strong footballer anyway.
That was Beckham, right??
So he wasnt definitely not going to play?
Sorry I dont read all your posts. I just remember the ones that stick out in my memory and those tend to be the ones when you claim things are definitely going to happen and then they don't.
I'd go as far as saying by the end he was brilliant.
Huh? You're some ITK then I suppose?
How would you know?
Anyway I thought Nani had a good game overall. Sloppy first half, very shaky, looked like a lack of confidence.
Great second half though could have had 2 or 3 more assists.
I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, but it's wrong.
In no particular order...... Rooney, Park, Flether, Ferdinand, Vidic, we all better than Nani. You could argue that the likes of Neville, Evra, Scholes, Valencia + VDS were too.
I thought he put in good free kicks and corners as well yesterday.
Something Marcus noted in the original post about what he brings to the team.
Something Marcus noted in the original post about what he brings to the team.
Wouldn't say he was atrocious at all. Lost the ball twice in the first 20 mins, so did Park and Fletcher too. Headed the ball in Ronaldhino's direction accidentally when he was defending, but it was no worse than Park's defensive error in the penalty box in the 20th minute. There was also one misplaced pass from him in this time but there were more than a few from other players too. It may have been a bit of a nervy few minutes for him but he also had the best shot on goal in this time, apart from the goal by Rooney.
Yeah, Rooney gave away possession cheaply a ridiculous ammount. Especially in the first half. Although not in the same dangerous areas that Nani did.
Agreed. Set-pieces were generally fairly good.
When he's on form one of Nani's strengths is his ability to place the ball accurately, something that continental players seem to be particularly adept at. When he slides the ball into the penalty area at speed it's remarkably well placed most of the time. The one for the 4th goal was excellent.
Might be a good idea to give him more experience taking freekicks. I know Rooney wants to take them to try and increase his goal tally but they're not his strong point at all.
Exactly you can post as many homoerotic pics of his abs as you like but it doesn't mean he can hold his own on the ball.
'Footballer strong' ... its a nice way of putting it.
He lost the ball a hell of a lot more than twice in those first 20 minutes. It was virtually every time he got the ball, I'm guessing at least six times probably more. I might watch the game again one of these days and keep a count.
I know around the 20th minute I was so exasperated at him I literally said out loud to the tv 'just play it fecking simple Nani, just play the simple ball and get yourself into the game'.
Most of the team was poor in the first half other than Rooney's goal, even Rooney was given the ball up easy
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