Mykhaylo Mudryk | Reported - Failed doping test

A quite a few as I have been following mudryk since he was claimed to be the new neymar back then. My sample is much more stronger than yours because I have seen him play in a team where he enjoys playing his football and has the right mindset to succeed. With your perspective you would have written of rashford, shaw and a few of our underperformers during Rangnick and Ole term.

Even mudryk is relishing the opportunity to play under Pochettino and said that he is the type of manager he needs to get the best out of him. He was even confidence to say the following tweet below.



You do not seem new to the forums, it is like you have never seen how often I m right about some of these things. If mudryk is fit and Pochettino gives him gametime, he will cook next season.


I honestly think people would leave you alone and leave you be with your Poch love but you don’t help yourself when you post stuff like this :lol:

You do not seem new to the forums, it is like you have never seen how often I m right about some of these things.
 
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Paying more than you have to, regardless whether it's spread over 3 or 4 or 8 years is overpaying.
My 2c on Mudryk is that he has a really rare combination of physical traits (pace and short area quickness) and quite good technical ability but that he is also one of the least instinctive footballers you'll ever see at top level in terms of his movement without the ball in possession and he also is kind of lazy out of possession (or at least that is what he showed last year in a dysfunctional side). He always looks best in situations where either he has the ball or he is passing the ball to a teammate and then charging forward for the return ball. Watch a match, forget the ball, and just focus on what Mudryk is doing the other 97% of the time and you end up thinking Wtf????

The effort thing is fixable if he is up for it, which I don't know enough about him to say. But the big question is whether at 22 you can still teach somebody football intelligence - understanding of space, timing, and your own movement in relation to teammates and defenders when his team has the ball but its not at his feet. Other than De Zerbi for a year under hard circumstances, he seems like he has just never had good coaching. So the big unknown is whether a player like that can improve a lot when exposed to good coaching as a full grown professional or whether these are attributes that really need to be ingrained from an earlier development age so that they are second nature by the time you are a professional. I genuinely don't know the answer but it will be interesting to find out.

He was especially horrible early on, defensively, but improved over time the more he played. I was pleasantly surprised by that actually and he seemed to adjust fairly quickly to what Potter demanded.

22 and relatively inexperienced means he potentially has scope to improve. In other areas, he demonstrates that he has the football IQ to pull it off. We've also had examples like Drogba who was very raw and inexperienced at 22 and it took some good, consistent coaching for him to reach his potential.
 
He was especially horrible early on, defensively, but improved over time the more he played. I was pleasantly surprised by that actually and he seemed to adjust fairly quickly to what Potter demanded.

22 and relatively inexperienced means he potentially has scope to improve. In other areas, he demonstrates that he has the football IQ to pull it off. We've also had examples like Drogba who was very raw and inexperienced at 22 and it took some good, consistent coaching for him to reach his potential.
He showed some promises. He was very good when he debuted against liverpool. But Potter used him mostly against low block teams and he didn't able to find space. Our Slow pedestrian game with players holding the ball too much instead release him into space not suited to his game as well.

Not only him but most players of last season the more they coached by Potter they were getting worse. Of course Potter good coach but not experienced enough to handle big squad and don't have personality to command respect.

He came to new league with his country in such trouble you can give benifit of the doubt to the lad. Sure he will be under microscope coming season but he will deliver in my opinion.
 
Seems like he puts on a lot of muscles during summer. Cant wait to see him in action under the new coach.
 
First of all that story you posted is from Jan 2023, Mudryk signed the same month for Chelsea, so not exactly bigger sample size is it?

next - 80% wanted Rashford gone year ago, but I wasn’t one of them so your point is pretty moot. Same with Shaw, don’t recall him being on my shortlist either so I don’t see where you got that idea.

Still I haven’t got a clue where you have followed him considering it was quite a surprising transfer at the time and it’s not like the Ukrainian league is really popular.
I myself don’t recall seeing him much before Chelsea and that’s even considering catching some Shakhtar games in CL but have absolutely no recollection of him.

I find it really hard to believe you have followed him prior to Shakhtar - playing for Desna Chernihiv - and the sample size at Shakhtar before Chelsea is pretty much the same.

And lastly even if he looked like world beater in Ukraine( which I highly doubt) that means feck all if he would transfer that ability to PL.

I mean I’m still waiting to see the other 80% of Fred coming from that league.
There are multiple articles that stated that even before that article. I just grabbed one from Google. When you hear a player being hyped up, it is common to follow them. Being a world beater and showing exceptional skills, does mean a lot. He also showed those talent in the champion league and I watched the game vs real Madrid and I thought this kid was incredible. Perhaps you don't do that because you are not a big a fan of football as I m, but it is a common thing to do.

Fred was good for us a few season ago. That period he was undroppable. Fred already showed his peak. I m not going to go dig up your post history, but the point is that since rashford and shaw was poor in a bad environment and looked better in a better environment, why can't mudryk do the same? That is why I said it isn't a good sample to judge mudryk based of just last season, where almost all players at Chelsea was horrible.

Anyway back on this thread topic, he was took of a bit early against Newcastle, but he showed a lot of glimpse. He has the right attribute to make it to the top.



That cut back and faint to cross is exactly like mbappe. I m thinking not many has watched mbappe play.
 
There are multiple articles that stated that even before that article. I just grabbed one from Google. When you hear a player being hyped up, it is common to follow them. Being a world beater and showing exceptional skills, does mean a lot. He also showed those talent in the champion league and I watched the game vs real Madrid and I thought this kid was incredible. Perhaps you don't do that because you are not a big a fan of football as I m, but it is a common thing to do.

Fred was good for us a few season ago. That period he was undroppable. Fred already showed his peak. I m not going to go dig up your post history, but the point is that since rashford and shaw was poor in a bad environment and looked better in a better environment, why can't mudryk do the same? That is why I said it isn't a good sample to judge mudryk based of just last season, where almost all players at Chelsea was horrible.

Anyway back on this thread topic, he was took of a bit early against Newcastle, but he showed a lot of glimpse. He has the right attribute to make it to the top.



That cut back and faint to cross is exactly like mbappe. I m thinking not many has watched mbappe play.

Yeah, Mbappe is quite under the radar. Not many will have seen him play - apart from you, obviously.
 
There are multiple articles that stated that even before that article. I just grabbed one from Google. When you hear a player being hyped up, it is common to follow them. Being a world beater and showing exceptional skills, does mean a lot. He also showed those talent in the champion league and I watched the game vs real Madrid and I thought this kid was incredible. Perhaps you don't do that because you are not a big a fan of football as I m, but it is a common thing to do.

Fred was good for us a few season ago. That period he was undroppable. Fred already showed his peak. I m not going to go dig up your post history, but the point is that since rashford and shaw was poor in a bad environment and looked better in a better environment, why can't mudryk do the same? That is why I said it isn't a good sample to judge mudryk based of just last season, where almost all players at Chelsea was horrible.

Anyway back on this thread topic, he was took of a bit early against Newcastle, but he showed a lot of glimpse. He has the right attribute to make it to the top.



That cut back and faint to cross is exactly like mbappe. I m thinking not many has watched mbappe play.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :wenger:

Just when you thought the posts couldn't get any worse....
 
To be fair, amadeus probably has watched more of Mbappe than the rest of us combined seeing as he watched every PSG game under Poch.
 
Give it up people, you're not a big football fan like Amadeus nor have you seen Mbappe play.
 
There are multiple articles that stated that even before that article. I just grabbed one from Google. When you hear a player being hyped up, it is common to follow them. Being a world beater and showing exceptional skills, does mean a lot. He also showed those talent in the champion league and I watched the game vs real Madrid and I thought this kid was incredible. Perhaps you don't do that because you are not a big a fan of football as I m, but it is a common thing to do.

Fred was good for us a few season ago. That period he was undroppable. Fred already showed his peak. I m not going to go dig up your post history, but the point is that since rashford and shaw was poor in a bad environment and looked better in a better environment, why can't mudryk do the same? That is why I said it isn't a good sample to judge mudryk based of just last season, where almost all players at Chelsea was horrible.

Anyway back on this thread topic, he was took of a bit early against Newcastle, but he showed a lot of glimpse. He has the right attribute to make it to the top.



That cut back and faint to cross is exactly like mbappe. I m thinking not many has watched mbappe play.

You didn’t answer the question. Since when did you follow him as for sure playing for shite Ukrainian sides and not exactly tearing it means you have only seen handful of games in the CL, which you can use to pinpoint a lot of talents and one of them might become a star.

I’m pretty sure you didn’t watch full games of the Ukrainian league to follow him as they are really not well broadcasted and his CL minutes in the last season are what 500?

environment doesn’t mean much if you don’t have a track record. And mudryk doesn’t have on. There are ton of examples of young talented players that didn’t make it when they made the jump to a big club.

you probably follow Arda Guler too? You know the ‘Turkish Messi’, who also shows a lot of skills and it’s hyped up whilst playing for a crap league. Is he worth 100m and a sure thing then ?

and if we have already seen the peak of the undroppable Fred I’m kinda suspicious about your judgement of talent.
 
You didn’t answer the question. Since when did you follow him as for sure playing for shite Ukrainian sides and not exactly tearing it means you have only seen handful of games in the CL, which you can use to pinpoint a lot of talents and one of them might become a star.

I’m pretty sure you didn’t watch full games of the Ukrainian league to follow him as they are really not well broadcasted and his CL minutes in the last season are what 500?

environment doesn’t mean much if you don’t have a track record. And mudryk doesn’t have on. There are ton of examples of young talented players that didn’t make it when they made the jump to a big club.

you probably follow Arda Guler too? You know the ‘Turkish Messi’, who also shows a lot of skills and it’s hyped up whilst playing for a crap league. Is he worth 100m and a sure thing then ?

and if we have already seen the peak of the undroppable Fred I’m kinda suspicious about your judgement of talent.
I did, answer. Read my last post where I detailed some of the games I watched when zerbi was his manager. He did play in the champion league, so I didn't have to watch many Ukrainian games to get an idea of how he played.

Environment does mean a lot. And if mudryk didn't have a track record, there is no way club would be willing to pay that much from him. It was obvious that he had a good track record of displaying exceptional talent in the games he played before joining chelsea. Fred was at his best in the 2020/2021 season. I do not believe he will have a season as good as that unless he goes to a club that gives him consistent gametime, which he will not get at united.
 
You didn’t answer the question. Since when did you follow him as for sure playing for shite Ukrainian sides and not exactly tearing it means you have only seen handful of games in the CL, which you can use to pinpoint a lot of talents and one of them might become a star.

I’m pretty sure you didn’t watch full games of the Ukrainian league to follow him as they are really not well broadcasted and his CL minutes in the last season are what 500?

environment doesn’t mean much if you don’t have a track record. And mudryk doesn’t have on. There are ton of examples of young talented players that didn’t make it when they made the jump to a big club.

you probably follow Arda Guler too? You know the ‘Turkish Messi’, who also shows a lot of skills and it’s hyped up whilst playing for a crap league. Is he worth 100m and a sure thing then ?

and if we have already seen the peak of the undroppable Fred I’m kinda suspicious about your judgement of talent.

I’m sure you’ll deny it, and attempt some witty comeback, but you talk like someone who is utterly emotionally invested in him not being a success. Its bizarre, and obvious, but can you admit it?!
 
I’m sure you’ll deny it, and attempt some witty comeback, but you talk like someone who is utterly emotionally invested in him not being a success. Its bizarre, and obvious, but can you admit it?!
Not really. I call it as I see it. So far what I’ve saw from him in Chelsea shirt he has been a disaster buy. He’s not that young as well to know the basics. If he was playing in a lower ranked team it wouldn’t be such an issue as he would be playing in more counter attacking style where he has loads of space.
Whether he will be a flop or success we shall see.
 
I did, answer. Read my last post where I detailed some of the games I watched when zerbi was his manager. He did play in the champion league, so I didn't have to watch many Ukrainian games to get an idea of how he played.

Environment does mean a lot. And if mudryk didn't have a track record, there is no way club would be willing to pay that much from him. It was obvious that he had a good track record of displaying exceptional talent in the games he played before joining chelsea. Fred was at his best in the 2020/2021 season. I do not believe he will have a season as good as that unless he goes to a club that gives him consistent gametime, which he will not get at united.
My point is - he has no track record. Couple of games in CL and handful of games in Ukrainian league is not a proven track record.
 
Not really. I call it as I see it. So far what I’ve saw from him in Chelsea shirt he has been a disaster buy. He’s not that young as well to know the basics. If he was playing in a lower ranked team it wouldn’t be such an issue as he would be playing in more counter attacking style where he has loads of space.
Whether he will be a flop or success we shall see.
If we make final judgements on players at Chelsea last season everyone in that squad bar Enzo, Kepa and a few members of the defense should give up on the sport.
 
If we make final judgements on players at Chelsea last season everyone in that squad bar Enzo, Kepa and a few members of the defense should give up on the sport.
The thing with Mudryk is - he hasn’t got a track record which Amadeus is trying to sell us. He had some stint in crap league and handful of CL appearances.

He’s 22 years old and heavily reliant on physical traits. It’s just the type of player he is. He looks a lot like Dan James and doesn’t have the extra qualities or ability to play for a top team to elevate his game. Now in the future - who knows, might develop his game, but as of now I just can’t see it and looks like a very expensive flop on huge and long contract.
 
Not really. I call it as I see it. So far what I’ve saw from him in Chelsea shirt he has been a disaster buy. He’s not that young as well to know the basics. If he was playing in a lower ranked team it wouldn’t be such an issue as he would be playing in more counter attacking style where he has loads of space.
Whether he will be a flop or success we shall see.

You haven't seen that he has amazing technical ability paired with great explosiveness and final speed?
 
I could be wrong about this, but wasn’t he essentially in the middle of his post season break when he joined Chelsea? Shaktars season is not aligned with the PL.

I dunno, but if you grabbed a PL player in mid June and threw him into an active side he’d never played for there might be some mental and physical fatigue issues; especially if it turns out the manager of the new team and the locker room weren’t paying much attention to conditioning themselves.

His first touch still needs a ton of work, and he needs to adapt to the fact a lot of the skills he used to work over players just won’t work in the PL, but he’s got enough in his toolbox I’m excited to see what Poch can do with him. He’s exactly the type of guy Poch has been good at raising the level of.

At first I thought “oh…. So a slightly more expensive Timo Werner?” After the first couple of appearances. But Werner wouldn’t have hit the goal with that layoff volley. There is something there.

De Zerbi thought highly of him as well, and he seems like a good judge. I think we did Brighton a favor there.
 
At first I thought “oh…. So a slightly more expensive Timo Werner?” After the first couple of appearances. But Werner wouldn’t have hit the goal with that layoff volley. There is something there
Are you sure about that?

Go and take a look at his 100th bundesliga goal...
 
Are you sure about that?

Go and take a look at his 100th bundesliga goal...
Werner missed 3 inch tap ins mate. But I never hate him because he gave it all he could for us. But just didn't worked out for him at chelsea. Some times little bit of luck should go in your way and he didn't have it when he played for us. But couldn't fault his efforts for us.