Mykhaylo Mudryk | Reported - Failed doping test

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Straight up cringe worthy comments in this thread. Not one attacking or midfield player has looked consisted to remotely good at Chelsea this season and it has feck all to with them being talantless quacks either. Write off their talents at your own peril
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I mean he's terrible in the final third, and that doesn't have anything to do with his team.

Now maybe he develops this part of his game, but right now I'd genuinely take Garnacho over him. Mudryk as currently constructed is a Ukranian Adama: searing pace and beating people on the dribble but looks clueless after that.
 
Obviously talented but very low on confidence right now. You could see him praying that the ground swallows him after not hitting the target for that late chance.
 
We cannot judge Mudryk based on this season. Every Chelsea player, bar Thiago Silva, Reece James & young Lewis Hall, has looked terrible.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I mean he's terrible in the final third, and that doesn't have anything to do with his team.

Now maybe he develops this part of his game, but right now I'd genuinely take Garnacho over him. Mudryk as currently constructed is a Ukranian Adama: searing pace and beating people on the dribble but looks clueless after that.
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Garnacho has 11 goals + assists, that's more than any Chelsea player this season.

They really are so bad :lol:
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I mean he's terrible in the final third, and that doesn't have anything to do with his team.

Now maybe he develops this part of his game, but right now I'd genuinely take Garnacho over him. Mudryk as currently constructed is a Ukranian Adama: searing pace and beating people on the dribble but looks clueless after that.
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I insist. The only reason you imagine any part of your claim is valid is because of what I stated earlier. Chelsea right now makes every attacking player resemble Adama Traore at his most brainless. Even those we already know are provably better than him like Sterling and Felix to name just 2. Its currently pointless to judge any of them because all assessments are skewered in the wrong way by circumstance. Garnacho himself would look just as awful in his place thanks to what has gone on there all season
 
If you can’t laugh at a rival team’s expensive signing having an underwhelming season then is there even any point to all this rivalry stuff?
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I insist. The only reason you imagine any part of your claim is valid is because of what I stated earlier. Chelsea right now makes every attacking player resemble Adama Traore at his most brainless. Even those we already know are provably better than him like Sterling and Felix to name just 2. Its currently pointless to judge any of them because all assessments are skewered in the wrong way by circumstance. Garnacho himself would look just as awful in his place thanks to what has gone on there all season
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Man you must have a tough time evaluating anyone then if you can never form an opinion on a player unless they are in a perfect situation.
 
Was keen to see just how good he was when he first arrived. Very little appearances for Shaktar and yet massive fee and contract.

The immediate eye test suggested Chelsea had an electric player who wasn’t afraid to run at defences, was lightning fast and could dribble. But the more you watch him you realise that he can only do anything near threatening around the half way line and as soon as he gets into the final third his head is down, he plays a shit ball or he squanders chance after chance.

I have no doubt Chelsea have paid for his potential but he’ll have to massively improve his end product to be anywhere near worth the money they paid.

And you can apply most of this to Felix also.
 
kouroux said:
I'd even have if my favorite was in the 2nd division
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Yeah I don’t get all of this “it’s way too early to be judging him. You guys are gonna look dumb when he starts firing because he has so much potential.”

Like this guy could become the next Messi and that still wouldn’t make me laughing at him now any less fun.
 
surf said:
Boehly misheard and thought he was signing Modric.
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Tbh when that bald guy on sky was talking about this transfer, i too thought he was talking about Modric but pronouncing it wrong :lol:
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I'll have you know he's currently leading the team in PL assists. It's also completely ludicrous to write him off after 537 total minutes for Chelsea when he joined a team in complete chaos having not played football for months.



Mate - glimmers is all he's shown. If you want to argue that he's been inconsistent I certainly wouldn't argue.
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This just speaks to how poor chelsea is doing, not how good Muddy is doing.
 
Cloud7 said:
Yeah I don’t get all of this “it’s way too early to be judging him. You guys are gonna look dumb when he starts firing because he has so much potential.”

Like this guy could become the next Messi and that still wouldn’t make me laughing at him now any less fun.
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That's the spirit otherwise only the fans of the best teams would be allowed to wind up others
 
bringbackbebe said:
We cannot judge Mudryk based on this season. Every Chelsea player, bar Thiago Silva, Reece James & young Lewis Hall, has looked terrible.
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Oppo fans all wrote off our players after last season so why shouldn't we return the favour?
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I'll have you know he's currently leading the team in PL assists. It's also completely ludicrous to write him off after 537 total minutes for Chelsea when he joined a team in complete chaos having not played football for months.
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There’s a very good reason why he’s only played 537 minutes since signing in January. It’s because he’s been terrible when he has played and ended up being benched. The fact he’s been restricted to only 537 minutes is a reflection of how poor he’s been.
 
Strootman's Finger said:
This just speaks to how poor chelsea is doing, not how good Muddy is doing.
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(That's the joke mate)

Chief123 said:
There’s a very good reason why he’s only played 537 minutes since signing in January. It’s because he’s been terrible when he has played and ended up being benched. The fact he’s been restricted to only 537 minutes is a reflection of how poor he’s been.
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Not to come off as some tribal nitwit but I just don't think this is correct - he's joined a club in the middle of what was his summer break, had no pre-season, and has still performed better than Sterling.

It's very possible (or probable) that I'm a moron but having torturously subjected myself to watching this goddamn team all year I just don't think it's fair to write off Mudryk after those minutes. Especially given the West Ham game where he made god only knows how many runs only for Cucurella to tamely pass the ball backwards.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
(That's the joke mate)



Not to come off as some tribal nitwit but I just don't think this is correct - he's joined a club in the middle of what was his summer break, had no pre-season, and has still performed better than Sterling.

It's very possible (or probable) that I'm a moron but having torturously subjected myself to watching this goddamn team all year I just don't think it's fair to write off Mudryk after those minutes. Especially given the West Ham game where he made god only knows how many runs only for Cucurella to tamely pass the ball backwards.
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Tbh I think everyone who’s criticising him knows full well he can come good just like any player. A lot of the criticism is no doubt over zealous and extreme because he’s a chelsea player and most of us enjoy seeing the mess Chelsea are in. But ultimately players are always going to be judged on the here and now. So far he has been really poor and underwhelming despite the allowance for a settling in period. Yes chelsea are a mess but individuals can still have moments where they give you hope and promise. Look at Enzo, he’s showing he’s a good player in the middle of the mess. Mudryk has a long way to go to get to where he needs to be and is expected to be. I’ve no doubt he’ll probably be better next season. But I’m not convinced yet that just being better will be enough.
 
Chief123 said:
Tbh I think everyone who’s criticising him knows full well he can come good just like any player. A lot of the criticism is no doubt over zealous and extreme because he’s a chelsea player and most of us enjoy seeing the mess Chelsea are in. But ultimately players are always going to be judged on the here and now. So far he has been really poor and underwhelming despite the allowance for a settling in period. Yes chelsea are a mess but individuals can still have moments where they give you hope and promise. Look at Enzo, he’s showing he’s a good player in the middle of the mess. Mudryk has a long way to go to get to where he needs to be and is expected to be. I’ve no doubt he’ll probably be better next season. But I’m not convinced yet that just being better will be enough.
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On that we agree fully - but I just think it's fair to give some specific context to his performances. Most summer signings have the benefit of a pre-season to get up to speed and aren't chucked immediately into the deep-end. Most signings aren't coping with the personal difficultly of an ongoing invasion in their home country. Most signings joining a top team are stepping into a functional situation that isn't completely fecking chaotic. When he signed, Potter had been playing 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 most of the time, then he switched immediately to 3-4-2-1 - again not to make excuses but Mudryk was used in his favoured position at LW for maybe 85 total minutes, then was used as a striker. It was completely ridiculous management at the time and we can only hope it hasn't affected him permanently.

Enzo for me is a tough comparison because in my completely biased opinion based on his time in Portugal and for Chelsea he is already one of the best players in his position in the world. Going into the World Cup I felt pretty strongly that he was the best playmaking 8 at the tournament outside of KdB. And yet despite that (blinkered) context, I still think Enzo has exceeded expectations in terms of how quickly he's adapted - and as such I'd argue that it's grossly unfair to hold him up as the standard for new signings.
 
The guy barely had 30 professional appearances before a 100m move it was always a fecking stupid deal
 
Blood Mage said:
Oppo fans all wrote off our players after last season so why shouldn't we return the favour?
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You lot on this site do it to your own as well. 85% of you wanted Rashford gone. Look at the Sancho or Antony threads. Look at the "We'll never win the league with Bruno" thread.

Being terrible at judging a player isn't restricted to oppo players.
 
duffer said:
You lot on this site do it to your own as well. 85% of you wanted Rashford gone. Look at the Sancho or Antony threads. Look at the "We'll never win the league with Bruno" thread.
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We might not......
 
Leicester oin the league with Danny Drinkwater. Arsenal are about to win it with Xhaka.

If Man United don't win the league in the next few years it's not Bruno's fault.
 
duffer said:
You lot on this site do it to your own as well. 85% of you wanted Rashford gone. Look at the Sancho or Antony threads. Look at the "We'll never win the league with Bruno" thread.

Being terrible at judging a player isn't restricted to oppo players.
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The issue seems to be extremes in opinion. A couple of decent performances from Mudryk and everyone will be running about claiming how bad United's scouting department is, how Glazers aren't buying players, and how Manchester is not an attractive enough destination. Mudryk right now is truly terrible, but it's not without reason he was highly regarded prior to his move and nearly signed by Arsenal. He's most likely a decent coach, stable team & absence of ownership interference away from setting it right, as are most players in your squad.
 
Pretty much every individual player thread on the cafe is the same.

First few pages are post after post saying how amazing the player is, he looks fantastic, will be a top top player, no doubting his class he will go all the way this lad.

Then the last few pages of the thread are post after post saying he's bang average, really disappointing how poor he looks, can do nothing well, a poor man's Dan James.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He had a couple of good moments tonight. He might turn out a flop. He might be brilliant. Whatever. The redcafe habit of rushing to write off new signings insanely quickly will never cease to amaze. Almost as knee jerk as their rush to make over the top proclamations of brilliance after a few good performances, early on in their PL career. Yes, I’m talking about Joao Felix. Who currently has less assists than Mudryk despite playing many more minutes.
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I'm sure the two polar opposite reactions are connected. I don't think there would be such a rush to come in here after every 20 min cameo where he touches the ball 4 times in a Chelsea team utterly bereft of confidence to talk about how shit and overrated he is if there hadn't been that total overreaction and silly hype proclamations like 'he will be a Ballon d'Or winner soon' after his little debut cameo at Anfield.
 
WeePat said:
I'm sure the two polar opposite reactions are connected. I don't think there would be such a rush to come in here after every 20 min cameo where he touches the ball 4 times in a Chelsea team utterly bereft of confidence to talk about how shit and overrated he is if there hadn't been that total overreaction and silly hype proclamations like 'he will be a Ballon d'Or winner soon' after his little debut cameo at Anfield.
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True. Good point.
 
Chief123 said:
There’s a very good reason why he’s only played 537 minutes since signing in January. It’s because he’s been terrible when he has played and ended up being benched. The fact he’s been restricted to only 537 minutes is a reflection of how poor he’s been.
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But there's context to that. He joined the team in January having not kicked a ball since November. He had a good debut but in the games he started after that he looked rusty as feck. Potter recognised that and held him back. It benefited no-one, least of all Mudryk himself, to keep throwing him out there when he was nowhere near match fit. Him being on the bench is the club doing right by him.
 
Genuinely don’t see the issue with his lack of minutes. He’s come from the Ukrainian league, didn’t play for a while and comes mid season. It’ll take him some time to get sorted.
 
Blood Mage said:
Oppo fans all wrote off our players after last season so why shouldn't we return the favour?
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It seems weird. Chelsea and the players have gotten away with it this season. I remember every United player was questioned last season and we finished 6th... Chelsea are 12th and there is no inquest.

Players like Murdryk, Sterling have had shocking seasons.
 
Blood Mage said:
Oppo fans all wrote off our players after last season so why shouldn't we return the favour?
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You guys wrote off your own players. I distinctly remember the hate on here for Rashford and he is your best player now.

But anyway your welcome to criticize our players, 90% of them have performed like dog shit and deserve it.
 
romufc said:
It seems weird. Chelsea and the players have gotten away with it this season. I remember every United player was questioned last season and we finished 6th... Chelsea are 12th and there is no inquest.

Players like Murdryk, Sterling have had shocking seasons.
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People love the narrative that United are a mess and the players are bad, and no one at the club is competent in anyway. It sells papers, it generates clicks, and everyone that isn’t a United fan (and some United fans) love it.

Chelsea are a shit show, no one cares. Not even chelsea fans care, they’ve been here before and still won the league seasons after.

If there’s two stories on the BBC sports page now, one is about Sancho flopping and being sold for £10m and the other is about Mudryk being loaned out to West Ham and Felix going back to Atleti, where do you think the most clicks will be?
 
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