No one questions the Trump and the Oligarchs. Every Republican knows this by now.Was there even a slight smattering of boos?
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In honesty, and regardless of Musk being a Fascist or not, I am not convinced that he consciously, or planned, was doing a Nazi salute. I don't think he would see such an act beneficial for his agenda, and neither would Trump. More than anything, he looked rather erratic and unhinged. Then again, I could be wrong.I just don’t know what he was thinking, even in a room full of republicans, whipping out the nazi salute like that is one hell of a risk. Was there even a slight smattering of boos?
It’s quite possibly the most brazen display of racism, on such a mass scale that I can remember. You don’t just pull that out without being sure it’ll land. I don’t really pay attention to US politics, but I think I probably underestimated just how far gone the American right is if they're literally cheering fecking nazi salutes.
You could just have written that he'll simplify some stuff. Just about every government in the world would do well to implement some of the libertarian policies.
He'll probably complicate some stuff too!
I admire your optimism.
strong india-after-2014 vibes.
Hey you could well be right, I mean like I said, that’s a hell of a risky thing to do for basically no reason. Was it a wave/spur of the moment gesture of gratitude to the crowd that looks unfortunately like a nazi salute? Only he knows.
Personally I think it’s far more likely that he just felt emboldened by all those right wing nut jobs cheering him and felt comfortable enough doing something like that. He probably didn’t plan it, but he felt ok enough about it to do it twice.
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I guess there is a reason Musk likes "X" so much, if you just twist and bend that letter a little bit....
It was right there infront of us, all the time.
It was right there infront of us, all the time.
Winner of DAFTA awards.
Not out of this realm that this could be the case....
Musk continues attacking Altman.
He’s reposting tweets that show photos of Taylor Swift waving, picking a frame that makes it look like she saluting Hitler.
I can only imagine he thinks he’s trolling people, because he’s not denying he saluted Hitler, which would be very easy. And no one thinks TS supports Hitler.
I can only imagine he thinks he’s trolling people, because he’s not denying he saluted Hitler, which would be very easy. And no one thinks TS supports Hitler.
People are constantly just waving and “sending their heart” out to the crowd and getting confused for hailing Hitler.
Oh wait that’s never happened before. Does make that interpretation seem less likely.
you know how most of her songs are about a guy who’s not in her life anymore? guess who that guy is?
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What risk? There's feck all risk really. They're in complete control. Implausible defences abound. The room loved it. Zero consequences. He's been openly far right for ages and we'll meant to think that he worries taking such positions are risky?
Is it Hitler?
jawohl, meine leibe.
Aristocratic infighting to maintain status with the King.
I guess the risk is assuming a room full of people are fascist enough to cheer a Nazi salute. I can’t imagine it’s the sort of thing you do lightly, and could massively blow up in your face.
Just to be clear I don’t think that’s what happened. It was a Nazi salute and he 100% meant it.
More like calculating and hypocritical. The ADL is just pro-Israel. All else is secondary.
White supremacists stormed the White House 4 years ago and people are still making excuses for them in 2025. There is no risk in assuming that this particular room was full of fascists and there was even less risks in assuming that the rest will pretend that they didn't see or understand what they saw.
Ah it wasn't a huge risk in that room. Not that they are fascist enough, just spineless enough or not anti fascist enough.
I don't think it was a risk in that room.
Fair enough, like I said I don’t follow US politics all that closely and it was a surprise to me that ordinary republicans are that far gone. It probably won’t be a surprise to you guys, but to me it looked like something out of Nuremberg in the 30s. Proper worrying.
and the ultimate stamp of approval
Ordinary Republicans have no backbone, they have given up their party in favor of extremists because it was an effective way to beat the Democrats. They are happy to win by any means necessary.
Your words have not been misrepresented. I quoted your exact statement multiple times. You wrote:
This is literally you saying Trump is just a small government libertarian. He is now the first GOP leader in over 100 years that is a neo mercantilist. Small government libertarianism is literally NOT "100% the politics of Trump."
Now I accept that you have gone back on this statement and you've changed what you were saying later. Fair enough, you misspoke. But your words have not been mispresented.
Some folk always err on the side of downplaying fascism etc. This has not been a complete new dawn. The structure for this to happen has been in place for decades. Point it out at any point before the fecking Roman salute and you are called hysterical. So the cultural amnesia you speak of runs parallel to this shift allowing it to happen.
The neoliberalism we now shrug and accept as normal and inevitable would have been impossible before 1980.
I don't know if people just don't care or genuinely don't understand or just don't want it to be true, but the phrase sleepwalking into fascism, is both applicable and on another level completely mind boggling to me. For me an acute anti fascist radar is essential at all times. So you can sort it before the worlds richest man is inside the government of the largest army doing fecking Roman salutes.
Right since the very beginning of an analytical discussion of fascism, the middle class (fiscally conservative) centre or bourgeoisie () have been identified as a bulwark to fascism and part of the problem. Always fearing a socialist revolution much more than a drift towards fascism. The odd thing is it has rarely worked out well for them under fascist regimes because of their liberalism.
These are good points. We didn't get here overnight but some on the right have been building up to this for decades, especially on the social conservative issues like banning abortion and attacking advances in LGBTQ rights.
Where I see Trump making the biggest departure with previous admins is with his neo-mercantilism. Tariffs, isolationist and protectionist policies, taking anti immigration to a whole new level. It's basically the next step because it really reinforces and codifies the white nationalism aspect. While the GOP might always have had racist and authoritarian elements, their support of free trade in previous iterations actually worked against some of those ideas because it led to more cosmopolitan and diverse communities. And at least with neoliberalism (and globalization and free trade that comes with neoliberalism certainly has its flaws nad problems) there is an underlying assumption that different nations and people can absolutely have a mutually beneficial cooperative economic relationship. Trump's neo mercantilism changes that calculation in new ways because its underlying premise is a zero sum view of global economics where the inference is that if immigrants succeed that necessarily comes at the expense of white Americans, if another nation is rising then that must come at the expense of those poor white Americans, which to me is a very insidious change.
This switch from neoliberalism to neomercantilism is a rather big deal I believe
Well then you’ve misunderstood what I said. Maybe I could have worded it better? I’m not saying libertarianism is the extent of his politics. When I say “100%” I’m using it as a synonym for “definitely”. As in libertarianism is definitely part of Trump’s politics. I’m well aware there’s more to his policies than this.
Exactly this, fascism and right wing politics is where people are going to make money as well.
Can a protectionist be libertarian? Can someone who thinks that only his social ideology should be followed or is right, be a libertarian?
Trump supports individualism for himself and his click but he isn't a libertarian, he doesn't recognize or promote the idea that others can live has they choose, especially not foreigners and minorities.
Trump supports individualism for himself and his click but he isn't a libertarian, he doesn't recognize or promote the idea that others can live has they choose, especially not foreigners and minorities.
I think he's too selfish, thick and whimsical for any real ideology to be applicable.
That's true but if we try to label him, imo libertarianism doesn't fit.
Discrimination against bald people, disgraceful! What about the skin heads?
No. I agree. I've said as much.
you want the neo-musks.