Murray again...

Nadal has dealt with the blustery conditions must better. Also the court at Indian Wells suits his game much more because of the higher bounce, so he can makes the most of his vicious top-spinning forehand.

Serving for the match now.

Edit: Nadal wins it 6-1, 6-2.
 
Yeah Murray's really stepped it up, I've been impressed. Still don't like him or his tactics much and I doubt I ever will but fair play to him.
 
His attitude and body language when the chips are down is awful. Definitely has to work on the mental and tactical side of his game. But the talent is there, without a shadow of a doubt.
 
Murray's mix-it-up game was thrown completely by the hugely windy conditions and he had no alternative. Nadal just played his excellent power game with great consistency to a successful conclusion.
Just a bad day at work for the world number 4, in yet another ATP final.
 
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He will thrash Djokovic today.
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I am so pissed with Djokovic. In that second set he was dominating Murray and then decided to bottle it. Murray in the 1st set played well but Djokovic still threw it away.

I think had Djokovic done what we should have and simply serve out the set he would have had the momentum to win the 3rd set but credit to Murray for fighting and hanging in there.

I knew that Djokovic would feck up when he didn't win the game at 5-2. Which shows how much he has bottled it lately.

I still think if Djokovic can sort his mental game out (and the fitness thing) that he can be #1.
 
horselesspaul said:
Brilliant win over Djokovic 6-2 7-5. I think he goes to world number 3 now.
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Far from brilliant if you ask me - Played good in the 1st set with Djokovic making a ton of unforced errors. Then in the second Djokovic blew it when he really should have put Murray away.

Like I said above, fair play to him for hanging in there but that match should have gone the distance and then who knows what would have happened.
 
What a load of bollox vuc. Murray was all over Djokovic from the first game. If it had gone to a third set I bet Djokovic ould have retired because it is too hot for him to play. :( Djokovic is a pathetic player
 
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What a load of bollox vuc. Murray was all over Djokovic from the first game. If it had gone to a third set I bet Djokovic ould have retired because it is too hot for him to play. :( Djokovic is a pathetic player
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What so its not true that Djokovic hit a feck load of unforced errors?

Yes that pathetic player still reached the final - That pathetic player still has a grand slam that Murray does not have.

I'm not saying anything about his conditioning because it does my head in.
 
Djokovic seems to have gone off the boil recently, relatively. Federer seems to have lost the plot completely as well, his last set against Djokovic was almost sad to watch.

Nadal and Murray are the best 2 players in the world right now.
 
Djokovic hasn't been in form since his AO Grand Slam win. It's frustrating to watch because he can dominate with ease at times and then all of a sudden throws it away. This is his mentality as of late, apparently he's been hitting the clubs a lot recently and living the glam lifestyle and not really training hard - which is fine, but if you want to the best you have to work for it.
 
vuc said:
Far from brilliant if you ask me - Played good in the 1st set with Djokovic making a ton of unforced errors. Then in the second Djokovic blew it when he really should have put Murray away.

Like I said above, fair play to him for hanging in there but that match should have gone the distance and then who knows what would have happened.
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Djokovic didn't "decide" to bottle it.
Murray out played and out thought him and he capitulated. That's tennis, apparently.
 
horselesspaul said:
Djokovic didn't "decide" to bottle it.
Murray out played and out thought him and he capitulated. That's tennis, apparently.
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He did bottle it massively in the second set, he was 5-2 up and sailing. Theres no need to explain this to you, i've watched Djokovic since the start of his career and this last year (since winning AO) there has been a massive lapse in his mental game which is affecting his confidence to finish sets/matches off when in a dominant position.
 
Murray dropped his level but picked it back up. The mens game is fantastic these days i think. As good as ever and Murray really is right up there, his match against Del Potro was brilliant and the way he took on Djoko in the final should be commended.

If he can improve his clay court game he'll be number 3 in a matter of weeks.
 
vuc said:
He did bottle it massively in the second set, he was 5-2 up and sailing. Theres no need to explain this to you, i've watched Djokovic since the start of his career and this last year (since winning AO) there has been a massive lapse in his mental game which is affecting his confidence to finish sets/matches off when in a dominant position.
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I understand that Djokovic has a propensity to do this, I have watched him too for some time but Murray also has this trouble but seems to rally from it and win matches. My point was that Murray lapsed and then pulled it together, turning the screw, and Djokovic folded rather than Murray's being handed the match on a plate, and to insinuate this does him a great disservice.
As I said, Djokovic didn't "decide" to bottle it. He was beaten by the persistence of the better player.
 
horselesspaul said:
I understand that Djokovic has a propensity to do this, I have watched him too for some time but Murray also has this trouble but seems to rally from it and win matches. My point was that Murray lapsed and then pulled it together, turning the screw, and Djokovic folded rather than Murray's being handed the match on a plate, and to insinuate this does him a great disservice.
As I said, Djokovic didn't "decide" to bottle it. He was beaten by the persistence of the better player.
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Well Djokovic used to rally from it too and used to win. This is what I am saying, since the AO he has had a mental lapse in his game. Rumours are that he goes around partying all the time which isn't the attitude needed if you want to be the best in the world.

I am not trying to disservice Murray at all, in fact I credited him earlier saying how he hung in there but lets be frank here, Djokovic did bottle it, he was 5-2 up in a final - he simply had to take that set and he bottled it - end of story.
 
vuc said:
Well Djokovic used to rally from it too and used to win. This is what I am saying, since the AO he has had a mental lapse in his game. Rumours are that he goes around partying all the time which isn't the attitude needed if you want to be the best in the world.

I am not trying to disservice Murray at all, in fact I credited him earlier saying how he hung in there but lets be frank here, Djokovic did bottle it, he was 5-2 up in a final - he simply had to take that set and he bottled it - end of story.
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Indeed.
"Bottling" is a complex problem which I feel, in this case, was caused as much by external factors as much as Djokovic's own mental laxity but you have said that he decided to "bottle" it. That's where we differ.
 
We have to accept that fact that Djokovic is phisically not on the same level with other players. Roger, Nadal, Murray, Roddick, they all look much stronger than Nole, imo. It is difficult then to be super confident when you feel that disadvantage.

I have the feeling sometimes people just expect too much while I accept that world's No. 3 is the highest position he is probably ever going to reach. And even that is a great achievement.
 
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We have to accept that fact that Djokovic is phisically not on the same level with other players. Roger, Nadal, Murray, Roddick, they all look much stronger than Nole, imo. It is difficult then to be super confident when you feel that disadvantage.

I have the feeling sometimes people just expect too much while I accept that world's No. 3 is the highest position he is probably ever going to reach. And even that is a great achievement.
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He matured quickly physically where as Murray had to work extreamly hard to gain the muscle and build he has now. Djokovic doesn't look different to Federer and is very quick around the court and when he is on form he was a great all round game. I like him as a player and as a person. He is going through a difficult little bit of form right now but he is the same age as Murray, younger even and has already got a Grand Slam.

I wouldn't write him off yet although if Murray keeps going the way he is then he could honestly get to number 1.
 
Mihajlovic said:
We have to accept that fact that Djokovic is phisically not on the same level with other players. Roger, Nadal, Murray, Roddick, they all look much stronger than Nole, imo. It is difficult then to be super confident when you feel that disadvantage.

I have the feeling sometimes people just expect too much while I accept that world's No. 3 is the highest position he is probably ever going to reach. And even that is a great achievement.
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Agree about the physical side but when it comes to 5 setter matches Nole has lost once in 8/9 I believe - which shows that he can dig in and win (this is pre AO form btw).

Sure 3 is a great achievement but when you see the way Djokovic plays when on form you can see that he has the game to be #1. One year ago I thought that Nole was destined to be #1 but it seems this last year he has had a lot of problems that have stopped that from happening.

The main thing is he is still young, I still have hope for him but he needs to sort his head out and work on his conditioning.
 
Murray beats his nemesis Davydenko on clay to reach his first semi final on clay. Another landmark for Murray. He's got the game win tournaments on clay, he just needs to play more on the stuff.
 
Murray was pretty bad in this match though, it was pushing at its best with I think only 9 winners. Davydenko's just a bottler though, got into good positions but completely lost it thinking Murray had an injury.

How childish was Murray's "NO WAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!?!?!?!!?" Funny to watch though and he won me some money so heh.

Up against Nadal now. If he can beat him on clay then fair play.
 
Oh he's a great player don't get me wrong, I just don't like his playing style or attitude. He's brilliant at what he does.

The fact is he DIDN'T play well yesterday compared to his standards and Davy let him off.

But I'll put that down to playing twice and readjusting to the clay.
 
With Murray one hears a lot of people saying that his opponent has "let him off". In yesterday's case it may have been true but it happens far too often to be put down to the "bottling" of others imo. There's something about his tenacity and variety of shot and sheer unpredicatability that unsettles players and it can happen at almost any point in a match.
Wawrinka one set up v Djokovic. Murray looking better for World No.3.
 
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