I actually consider it a testament to how crap Leverkusen were in Europe (or still are). Whenever they come up against a big name opposition they go out there with the amount of fear not present in any other European regulars. Happened against Barcelona, happened against PSG, happened against us - admittedly they seem to have learned from that to an extent because they gave Atletico a game this season before inevitably letting themselves down big time on penalties.
Moyes Was Sacked One Year Ago
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I actually consider it a testament to how crap Leverkusen were in Europe (or still are). Whenever they come up against a big name opposition they go out there with the amount of fear not present in any other European regulars. Happened against Barcelona, happened against PSG, happened against us - admittedly they seem to have learned from that to an extent because they gave Atletico a game this season before inevitably letting themselves down big time on penalties.
@Drifter voting that Moyes should have been given more time, somehow I'm not surprised 
How can you possibly still keep this up?
How can you possibly still keep this up?With 5 matches to go, we have already more points than last season.
Agree with the post.
My feelings havent changed. Moyes was the wrong manager, appointed for the wrong reasons, at the wrong time. He was doomed to failure from pretty much the day he took over.
We tried to replace Fergie by finding another Fergie - someone with a similar personality, similar attributes, strengths and weaknesses etc. The problem was, we didnt need another Fergie.
Fergie came in and built an empire. He took the club from a pretty weak position and made it into a global powerhouse.
When Moyes came in, we didnt need an empire builder, we needed someone who could come in and steady the ship. This meant we needed someone established who could deal with the pressures and egos involved with managing a huge club. Make no mistake, I am sure that if a fresh faced Fergie was appointed from Aberdeen last year instead of Moyes, he would have met a similar fate.
What I didnt expect was how dramatically out of his depth Moyes would really be. It seemed painfully obvious from almost the first day - the cheesy pictures of him arriving and settling in at his new office, the interviews about how privileged and lucky he felt to be here. It was all nice sounding, but it sent out completely the wrong message, of someone who was fortunate to be here, who had no experience at this sort of level and was just so happy to be given his big chance. Very good Dave - but keep it to yourself. It sends the wrong message out to the players, the staff, the club, the fans and the media.
We tried to replace Fergie by finding another Fergie - someone with a similar personality, similar attributes, strengths and weaknesses etc. The problem was, we didnt need another Fergie.
Fergie came in and built an empire. He took the club from a pretty weak position and made it into a global powerhouse.
When Moyes came in, we didnt need an empire builder, we needed someone who could come in and steady the ship. This meant we needed someone established who could deal with the pressures and egos involved with managing a huge club. Make no mistake, I am sure that if a fresh faced Fergie was appointed from Aberdeen last year instead of Moyes, he would have met a similar fate.
What I didnt expect was how dramatically out of his depth Moyes would really be. It seemed painfully obvious from almost the first day - the cheesy pictures of him arriving and settling in at his new office, the interviews about how privileged and lucky he felt to be here. It was all nice sounding, but it sent out completely the wrong message, of someone who was fortunate to be here, who had no experience at this sort of level and was just so happy to be given his big chance. Very good Dave - but keep it to yourself. It sends the wrong message out to the players, the staff, the club, the fans and the media.
was never good enough to be the manager of Manchester United. not his fault for taking the job though. the club should had gone for someone else.
Absolutely, they were definitely awful, but it felt quite emphatic at the time to dominate a game and blow an opponent away, especially in the away tie. It's quite sad that sweeping aside a team of big game bottlers is one of the highlights of the year.
This. Having that Holiday basically put the transfer plans on hold, he failed to get to know his squad in the required time and it meant we were completely unprepared going into that season. We were doomed before it had even started.
Compare that to Van Gaal, who had basically just got off a plane to Brazil and came straight in to start deciding who would make the cut. I am sure Moyes will never make that mistake again.
Don't be ridiculous now! He will have the CS framed in his living room together with "beating Barcelona trophy" he probably made himself.
Finally found my response in the thread
I've found mine too!
EDIT: And also...
Good times, good times.
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He won't have the chance. Not at a big club.
Don't be ridiculous now! He will have the CS framed in his living room together with "beating Barcelona trophy" he probably made himself.
The way he (and his fans) went on about Sociedad beating Barcelona this season was glorious too. It's like it couldn't have ever happened without Moyes despite the fact it already did, for three years in a row before he came.
This is why I was on the Mou side of the debate. He was a ready-made replacement for Fergie in that he would command respect.
Indeed. I wished him well and hoped for a fairy tale but it just never looked like happening.
Well while it's unlikely he is still fairly young, he could turn it around. Do a good job at Sociedad and then maybe go to Celtic or Germany and win a trophy, he might be back before you know it.
I don't think he will ever return here though mind.
Highs
- Rooney Contract
- Januzaj Contract
- Mata
- Home Tie Vs Olypicaos
- The end
- Everything else
- Loosing to liverpool
Yep. One of three who felt the club should have honored the contract.@Drifter voting that Moyes should have been given more time, somehow I'm not surprised
Well.....that put me in my place
I agree with you, last season was a complete shambles; there were several mitigating circumstances involved too. Maybe my use of the word "fail" was incorrect and should have used "struggle" in its place, with a little more cunning I could have done a sneaky edit but it was all too late. Any how, I'm not a Moyes sympathiser, I was happy for the club that they sacked him, I did feel a little sorry for him however but that's just me.
Slightly strange selection of choices. I think it was the right time to part company but I also suspect that it's for the best he got thrown under the bus rather than someone with a better chance of winning us trophies sometime soon. Last season was always going to be horrendous and the scale of the task he faced as been widely underappreciated.
And me - not because I particularly like Mourinho's playing styles or anything like that, but because he was one of the relative few managers (especially of those available that summer) who would have the personality, mental fortitude and respect to smooth the transition.
A couple of years of Mourinho steadying the ship before we appointed a new long term candidate (LVG? Giggs?) would have been ideal I reckon.
But they did! He had a 6-year contract that said we could have dismissed him while paying compensation, which we promptly did after our worst season in Premier League era. We were absolutely mad to give him a 6-year contract in the first place but the timing of his dismissal (mathematically impossible to finish top 4) suggests that we had a clause that facilitated his dismissal. It's not like the club had been harsh on him either, any other big club would have shown him the door long before we did. It's actually shocking that he could have had us sitting 7th in February getting outplayed by Olympiakos and still be in the job.
You must be mental to think that we should have kept him for 6 years. Damage would have been irreversible by then. Then again you've always seemed to care about Moyes much, much more than the club. It's difficult to imagine someone who's a United fan and not on a WUM thinking Moyes did ANYTHING to deserve to be kept for 6 years. There wasn't a single positive to be drawn from his tenure here, it was utter disaster from beginning till the end.
Happy Moyes day everyone!
Worst memory from last season: United hiring Moyes.
Best memory from last season: United firing Moyes.
Worst memory from last season: United hiring Moyes.
Best memory from last season: United firing Moyes.
the quotes, the weekly endless quotes;
'seriously, I think even Sir Alex would have struggled this year'
'we hope to make it difficult for Newcastle'
the word 'try' being used an awful lot
'ive got us through to the quarter finals of the champions league'
'im looking forward to going up against pep guardiola, and for many years to come' was a cold sharp dagger through my heart watching him say this
playing Rooney Bayern away when he literally couldn't kick a ball, then instead of taking him off put him in centre midfield
'seriously, I think even Sir Alex would have struggled this year'
'we hope to make it difficult for Newcastle'
the word 'try' being used an awful lot
'ive got us through to the quarter finals of the champions league'
'im looking forward to going up against pep guardiola, and for many years to come' was a cold sharp dagger through my heart watching him say this
playing Rooney Bayern away when he literally couldn't kick a ball, then instead of taking him off put him in centre midfield
That was my thought too. But the club wanted the fairy tale, fair enough it would have been amazing to start another legacy but it just never got started.
You must be on a wind up to still believe that.His contract stipulated he had to finish in the top 4, he failed to meet the conditions of it and was quite rightly released from said contract for his failure.
His contract stipulated he had to finish in the top 4, he failed to meet the conditions of it and was quite rightly released from said contract for his failure.
The notion that managers should be kept for the length of their contracts is mad as hell. It is one profession in which you HAVE to be judged on results.
That was quite incredible. What really turned me (and a lot of us) against him was that apparent arrogance. Maybe he didn't mean to come across like that - it's difficult to tell because he never really got to grips with media handling. But the way he spoke was as if he was untouchable, despite the form being in the toilet.
I actually have erased most of last season from my mind and make myself believe we went straight for LVG after SAF's retirement. I don't think that season could even be classed as United fans being spoiled. It was genuinely hell, in a sense that all of our rivals humiliated us and cannon fodder laughed at us. It was as if David Moyes was sent to torture us.
I just see him as an irrelevant part of our history. He was never good enough and we should never have hired him. Just forget and move on.
Any sympathy i may have had for the situation he ended up in was removed when he started slagging us off after being sacked.
Any sympathy i may have had for the situation he ended up in was removed when he started slagging us off after being sacked.
I remember him saying that he proved he is a manager who deserves to be at a Champions League club and he proved that at United.
This is also true.
To be fair, arrogance and self belief is needed in order to be the manager of a top club. The problem for Moyes was that he only realised this after half a season or so of shite, when his position was already in jeopardy. If he had shown that attitude from the start he may have done a bit better, ironically.
Option D.
Final answer.
Final answer.
Its never always black and white of course, for example this season im sure some people would have had LVG sacked for that sticky patch after Xmas. But in Moyes case rarely has a manager ever been more deserving of the sack.
He was an absolute car crash from start to finish, there was absolutely no upside to letting him stay on. None at all if anything we gave him too much time, he should have been sacked in January, had we done so we might have came 3rd or 4th.
I feel like the poll was being too nice to him.
Good decision to end the affair, as he'd almost certainly never have been good enough. I'm not keen, though, on the influence of the Class of '92 lot & would actually prefer them not to be influential at the club and even in the media.
He was absolutely awful last year and I remember me getting some warnings in the newbie forum for flaming him all the time. However, his tenure had made me appreciate good results much more and made me happy every time we win a game even against weaker teams instead of thinking that it is a given.
Poor bloke. By the end it must have been like one of those dreams where you're on stage naked, or you're thrust into an exam where you know nothing about the subject.
Does anyone else enjoy reading through old threads to remind yourself how you felt at that particular time? I find it very interesting.
That Newcastle quote
A joke of a manager, and a joke of a man too...
Said it many times, but Sunderland at home in the League Cup was the absolute worst... the absolute fecking worst. A game where we played for extra-time and an away goals win...at home... to Sunderland... in the League Cup... madness.
Said it many times, but Sunderland at home in the League Cup was the absolute worst... the absolute fecking worst. A game where we played for extra-time and an away goals win...at home... to Sunderland... in the League Cup... madness.
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You're right. Fixed.