Red Issue mag now claiming that they have had to stop the presser on Sunday's magazine, as all is now not what it seems with Moyes...
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Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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Who are the managers for the big teams here Liverpool - Rodgers, Chelsea - Benitez, City - Mancini, Spurs -AVB and Arsenal - Wenger. The only one I would vaguely want is Wenger. The teams abroad only one is Klopp, who isn't going anywhere at the moment. Pep is taken and Jose is coming to Chelsea, if people like it or not. Who else is available ?
I was wondering the same, he will be able to walk away from Everton in the close season, is there anything the talk about ?.
This is a bit from the BBC story that puzzled me.
Former United assistant manager Steve McClaren added: "He's a winner and has a work ethic similar to Sir Alex.
In my book 1 Second Division title win , does not make him a winner.
It's 100% definitely happening.
Oh for god's sake this is getting stupid. So Moyes is going to Chelsea and Jose is coming here. I despair.
Then again, how many have United successfully brought through in the last ten years? Sheasy, Fletcher, Evans. Welbeck and Cleverley probably. Have i missed anyone?
And that's with a much higher-budget youth system, albeit much more competition from top-class signings too.
Perhaps we're trying to get him signed up before his contract is set to expire. With Sir Alex due an operation and such it may be that they want the new man bedded in alongside Sir Alex for a few weeks once the season is over, and before he completely goes away for his operation.
Gives him time to get to know his players before they're free for the summer, and to perhaps decide who he wants and who he doesn't want?
I'm not sure about giving compo because its the right thing to do, but it's a good gesture if that is the case. Taking a manager of 11 years for nothing does seem unfair.
I think that's spot on.
He gets criticised for teh way he's managed "ego's" which I find bizzare. He's been hugely succesful despite the issues he's had to face at the clubs he's been at. Its horses for courses depending on what type of club you're at.
The simple fact is a manager like Fergie would never get the job in Madrid because its his way or the highway and he'd probably be out in his ear in no time. Its a rotten attitude to have at a club but that existed long before Mourinho and will exist a long time after he leaves Madrid.
He's done the rounds now and looks like wanting to come back to England. he wont be off in a few years unless Roman gives him the push. Had he joined United I reckon he'd have been here for the long term - because where else would he go? He loves England, loves the PL and feels wanted here. Its that simple.
Mourinho in from 40-1 to 12's in the last 15 minute's 
This is a key point which has been ignored by many people. Its like all of a sudden we don't trust SAF
Fergie does get things wrong... I think trying to carry on in the same vein as the great man is a tad idealistic and unreasonable to expect. Better off guaranteeing the success with Mourinho and moving on from the Fergie era instead of trying to recreate it, which is practically impossible. Fergie is a once in a lifetime manager, Moyes has managed Everton.
This is gonna get made into a film
This is a key point which has been ignored by many people. Its like all of a sudden we don't trust SAF
This is a daft point. He's never had to chose a successor before. And he's got decisions wrong before.
I'd trust SAF more than most to make a judgment call, but that doesn't mean any call he makes is automatically right. This could be a Rafael and Park in midfield moment, or a Seba Veron moment, or a playing Rooney v Bayern moment.
Do you not think we might be 'locked in talks' with Moyes rather than Everton?
Youth systems are weird. You get a team that sweeps all before them, then none of these lads seem to be able to get into a first team. What happens in between. Villa seem to be the one using their kids. Even if it seems to have been forced on them. Clubs don't seem to want to take the risk of blooding kids. They want instant fixes.
I'm not saying Moyes' record is bad, but I don't think it's extraordinarily strong either. At least not to the extent that it would be what gets him the job, if indeed he does.
And as you alluded to, it's always going to be harder to bring through young players the more competitive the team is, as the risks are higher and they're up against a better standard of player to get their place. Obviously that's skewed a bit by the better resources you have to develop those players.
Why? Its a job like any other and his contract is up, if he gets an offer that is better, he takes it, don't see why any compensation should have to be paid.
So we've brought through as many players as Everton in recent years even though we're competing at a much higher level. That doesn't look that great overall.
Has he been confirmed yet?
From what I'm reading, Moyes' influence at Everton is very far reaching. A glorified coach he is not.
This is a key point which has been ignored by many people. Its like all of a sudden we don't trust SAF
It is difficult to do so when the only managers he's ever nominated for the United job are (to my knowledge) O'Neill and Carlos Queiroz and both have since fell well sort of that standard.
United are talking to both Moyes and Mourinho.
It's a two man shortlist.
Don't shoot the messenger.
It's a two man shortlist.
Don't shoot the messenger.
I'm sure we are. My point was a separate issue, really. I suspect we'll pay a reasonable amount to them under the guise of him being released a few weeks earlier, but which might also be a sort of "sorry for nicking your manager". Equally I'm often massively wrong about these things, so who knows?
They're clumped together as well. There was a nine year period where we won 7 and finished just short of the other 2, then a five year period where we won just 1 and didn't get close to any of the others, and then a seven year period where we won 5 and fell just short 2 more times. The three PL eras for Manchester United in relation to top spot:
92-93: +10
93-94: +8
94-95: -1
95-96: +4
96-97: +7
97-98: -1
98-99: + 1
99-00: +18
00-01: +10
01-02: -10
02-03: +5
03-04: -15
04-05: -18
05-06: -8
06-07: +6
07-08: +2
08-09: +4
09-10: -1
10-11: +9
11-12: -0
12-13: +10
It's a level of consistency the like of which we will never seen again.
I think also it's just bloody hard to develop players good enough for a side like United these days. Almost every player in the side needs to be among the top ten or twenty in the world in that position. What are the odds of getting many of those out of your academy?
How do you know this?
Yeah, football contracts normally start July 1 and end June 30. Obviously we want Moyes on the job from Monday in 11 days time. I doubt it should be much of a problem. Everton would have no use for him once the season ends anyway.
Off the top of my head, Ancelotti, Lippi, Hiddink, Capello, Rijkaard, Pellegrini, Hitzfeld, Low, Biesla.
I've no idea who out of them is or isn't available, but I reckon quite a few of them would fancy the United job. And i'd take most, if not all of them, over David Moyes.
We're going to shoot the messenger. aren't we?
No, I would never do that, just wondered if it was just a hunch, or he knew something.
I'll PM around anyone on here i know if they want the same message i received.
Edit: Taken out where it has come from
Yes please.
Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Wenger, hell... Harry Redknapp has done more impressive things with much better Football than Moyes.
edit: see TN's post.
Doesn't that just depend on how you carve it up though?
I mean, you could equally say there was a period 98-03 during which we won four and lost two. Your allocation has the virtue of keeping the ones where we lost by a lot of points together, but to me 98-03 felt more like one team. 02/03 was the last hurrah, after which Chelsea came into the picture and there was that racehorse shit, we bought some crap players and we fell off.
Go on then, I haven't had any kind of PM for a while and this is interesting.
Cheers , I would like to see the message.
I'll take that.
Some of these lot are bloody ancient, they are Fergie's contemporarys. We need someone long term. Also we need someone who can communicate i.e. speak English. How long is it since Rijkaard worked? Don't know if a good idea having Roman's mate Gus as our manager.
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