im more comfortable with the idea of Moyes joining United now than I was with the idea of Sven joining a few years ago. I think Fergie has left a strong, young squad to work with
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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In all fairness I agree with jakec's post but Cina has absolutely smashed it there. 
That is what has bugged me a bit. If they are saying Jose would get more players, they are basically saying he is bigger than our club. No one is bigger than Manchester United. If the kudos of playing for us isn't big enough, then bugger them. That would be the reason why Jose wouldn't be picked. The club is all that matters not Jose's ego. Didn't Bruce Rioch sign Bergkamp. He wasn't exactly a big name manager and Bergkamp was wanted by most teams.
At least we're finally getting a manager who is conventionally handsome rather than just being a bit of a cutie. So that's somewhat of a consolation.
But it's all about the small margins at the very highest level of the game.
i.e. Jones was wanted by Liverpool and Arsenal, but he chose us. I'm sure Fergie was a huge factor. Same goes for beating Arsenal for Smalling.
Would RvP join us knowing we had Moyes as manager not Fergie? I'm not so sure.
Of course we would still attract top players, but it is entirely conceivable we could lose out on a few deals (especially in the initial stages), especially if it is a player that numerous clubs are after. Yes the club is a huge attraction, but so was Fergie. You can't deny we are losing quite a bit in the transfer market going from Fergie to Moyes.
It would also be a bit foolish to say managers don't have a huge role in attracting players. Saying Mourinho is better at attracting players than Moyes doesn't mean to say he is bigger than the club, it's just a factor players who have no previous link to the club take into consideration.
I'm certain we wouldn't have signed RVP were it not for Ferguson. These things do matter unless you have your head stuck in the ground.
I'm certain we wouldn't have signed RVP were it not for Ferguson. These things do matter unless you have your head stuck in the ground.
Exactly.
In the last few years our transfer targets have turned us down for clubs like Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Southampton.
Moyes now 1/7
Mour 5/1
Mour 5/1
Yet Ramsey chose Arsenal ahead of us.
Benzema chose Madrid ahead of us.
Pogba went to Juventus.
Yes. Ramsey, Bale have turned us down but that is presumably because of first team football opportunities.
Different matter altogether with Benzema, Ozil etc.
The point is, isn't the problem going to be exacerbated with someone like Moyes in charge?
Bale never turned us down, we just never got a bid in place. But yeah players also take into account first team football opportunities as a consideration.
With the amount of transfers and the wages, fees, and cnutish agents around nowadays, it's way too simplistic to say that it's down to the manager, or the club, or whatever. Moyes being here instead of Mourinho may affect some transfers, but it won't affect others.
I am not sure admittedly. I honestly don't know how much a manager will effect the outcome. I have a feeling that it doesn't work as much as people think. I imagine wages/playing time/location are a much bigger factor. I don't think that people would be disappointed in coming to play for Moyes.
And Moyes is going to help us attract those players that Fergie could not?
He would with Ramsay, he has a strong pedigree in England. It's just overseas it may become an issue and we will have to rely on the Manchester United name a bit more. When you take into account the fact that City/Chelsea will also pay more, it is a bit of an uphill struggle. But we have faced the same issues with Fergie too.
Bit off topic but i think i read that Southampton simply didnt want to sell to us...the cnuts.
And if we win the league next season then they'll be no talk of Moyes not being able to attract players.
It's a load of nonsense and another 'maybe' that people are pulling from their arses to beat him with.
It's a load of nonsense and another 'maybe' that people are pulling from their arses to beat him with.
And Moyes is going to help us attract those players that Fergie could not?
No. You've completely missed the point.
The argument just went like this.
Wonnie: Ferguson signed player a, b and c to Manchester United, they chose us over other clubs because Ferguson was here.
Other people: But players d,e and f chose other clubs over Manchester United when Fergie was here
Wonnie: But that just shows that we needed Ferguson even more!
It doesn't really work like that, you've stumbled into a logical nightmare.
Everyone is almost certain that it's David Moyes. I'll see it when I believe it.
I think hiring Moyes would be a terrible decision personally. His teams play negative football, he's got no champions league experience (or title-challenging experience) and he hasn't really won anything. I think it would go horribly wrong.
Obviously though, if we do appoint him, then we have to support him. I just have serious doubts about it from the beginning though.
Obviously though, if we do appoint him, then we have to support him. I just have serious doubts about it from the beginning though.
off course its a load of crap, players who really want to join Manchester United will do so, regardless of who is manager
let me hear you make some Moyes!
Yep that's exactly it.
Of course if Moyes wins the league at his first attempt then a lot of the misgivings will turn out to be ridiculous.
I'm too busy throwing my Moyes out of the pram...
I don't see how Moyes would be an improvement over Fergie in the transfer market in England? (given transfer budget, wages etc are the same)
My point is our pull, ability to attract the top players is going to decrease with Moyes in charge, relatively speaking. By how much? It's impossible to tell. But you cannot deny that it isn't going to decrease.
Moyes-time
Doesn't have the same ring to it.
Doesn't have the same ring to it.
Wow, man, you're deep.
He looks like Gollum at the bit where he says 'TATERS? WHAT'S TATERS?'
Maybe.
Everything that we try and foretell is based on maybes. The idea is to use your best judgement. Frankly, I'm not too thrilled with the appointment (tbf, my brain just hasn't wrapped itself around the retirement itself to care about the next manager) and I'd rather see someone strong willed with big team experience. I'd rather that since I feel the next manager will, for the next two years, be compared to SAF on every turn. If this person wilts, the media focus will make it worse.
Also, I can see why people would feel he won't attract big players. Many established players might feel that this fellow might take time to build his own legacy and they might miss their chance to win something by joining United. This, as opposed to getting a person with a history of winning like Mourinho who players would be less hesitant to join
Moyes Boyes! Its on..
How have I missed the point? Yes even Fergie could not sign everyone he wanted, but he did beat other clubs to some important in recent times i.e. Jones, Smalling, RvP etc.
Even those transfers were decided on tight margins, and I'm saying Fergie's influence would've unquestionable been a factor in swaying those tight margins in our favour. The appointment of Moyes is going to negatively affect that factor, is it not?
So how have I missed the point?
I'm so aMoyesd with this fecking decision.
Surely an appropriate song for Fergie's retirement today would be "End of the Road"
by Moyes II Men.
by Moyes II Men.
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