JaapStam1986
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ITV are starting to go with it now as well.......just waiting on BBC and Sky Sports really to confirm it.
Links please guys, I'm on a tablet.
If he's gone then I support the boards decision, even though I feel it may have been a little rash. They know better than me though.
Cheers, will do.See the Moyes to be sacked thread for all the links.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-to-be-sacked.389098/page-3#post-15518184
I'm thinking that too.The club would've been on this in an instant if there was nothing to it.
It'll be here just under the name of the new manager. Most people have made it abundantly clear that they'll only accept instant success and nothing else.I think this has been the most embarrassing and pathetic thread I have ever read on Redcafe. The fact that this was started on July, 15th says it all.
In a way good that it will soon slide down the pages, and hopefully to never reappear.
Wait until it's confirmed at least mate.Thread title might need to be changed. Maybe "Moyes As Far It Went" or something.
I think this has been the most embarrassing and pathetic thread I have ever read on Redcafe. The fact that this was started on July, 15th says it all.
In a way good that it will soon slide down the pages, and hopefully to never reappear.
It'll be here just under the name of the new manager. Most people have made it abundantly clear that they'll only accept instant success and nothing else.
There were probably a set of minimum targets in his contract, one of them being top 4. If so, now that it's mathematically impossible, United can sack him without paying full compensation.So as of the result yesterday, it is mathematically impossible for United to get 4th. News today that Moyes is getting the boot.
Chance that there is a clause in his contract that he must get top 4?
We'll see on that account, nothing I can say now but I fear well see the exact same,That's a colossal lie. The vast majority of debate in regards to Moyes' gross inadequacies in this job has been structured and fair. So fair, infact, he's about to lose his job because most criticisms were actually completely correct. Nobody was expecting this.
We'll see on that account, nothing I can say now but I fear well see the exact same,
I think this has been the most embarrassing and pathetic thread I have ever read on Redcafe. The fact that this was started on July, 15th says it all.
In a way good that it will soon slide down the pages, and hopefully to never reappear.
Come on Tomalonge, give it up. It was clear to almost everyone that Moyes didn't have a plan or a clue what to do. No-one asked him to win us the title, but being the new old Stoke was too much to eat.It'll be here just under the name of the new manager. Most people have made it abundantly clear that they'll only accept instant success and nothing else.
SAF got stick for three seasons before the winning started. That's my fear, we might have passed on the opportunity of a good manager because the results weren't instant. If we get a higher class of manager next time I hope we show more patience. Good things normally do come to those who wait.Well hopefully the club doesn't try to act 'different' this time. An acceptance that we aren't some quirky, holy club above all else would be a good start. If we get in somebody with pedigree then we won't be having another season like this one. Yes, there will be criticisms along the way, but that's normal. There will also be praise. Even Sir Alex got stick throughout a season.
SAF got stick for three seasons before the winning started. That's my fear, we might have passed on the opportunity of a good manager because the results weren't instant. If we get a higher class of manager next time I hope we show more patience. Good things normally do come to those who wait.
Saying that though, if it's not true I won't pretend I'm not a bit relieved. If he hasn't done the job this time next year then fair enough, but the last thing I'd want the club to do is put off a top, top manager because of the lack of patience we've shown with just a good one. Every manager we get deserves a fair crack.
I think one season isn't enough for even top managers. My stance doesn't differ on just a good manager.And he's had his crack of a season and not been good enough. If he'd done relatively poorly he could've earned another crack, but it's fair to say he's used up his cracks. "Good things normally do come to those who wait" is one of those things people use to defend him when they want to generalise and can't use anything about the man himself to defend his position. All the defences revolve around wider things, and nothing about Moyes himself because there is no way to defend his position here.
Nope. Just because people aren't stupid and can see obvious things for themselves doesn't make them embarrasing. It was clear from day one that Moyes is shit, and if those embarrasing people had their way we would have been in UCL next season.
You can't completely right off a season though. Sure it's good to show patience, and we've shown loads. Most would have sacked him by December, and then multiple times after that. We've given him a full year even after it seemed likely we won't make the champions league under him. There has to be a minimum with anyone and moyes has done far, far worse then anyone could have expected. It won't put off anyone. If anything, it proves our loyalty more but also shows we aren't complete idiots. The only thing that has changed as the season has gone on is we've been worse, so getting rid is the best option. He's just out of his depth, a decent manager but has no place being at this level. Going to Newcastle or a similar club would be his level.I think one season isn't enough for even top managers. My stance doesn't differ on just a good manager.
If the board has moved forward then fair enough, I've never claimed to know more than them.
SAF got stick for three seasons before the winning started. That's my fear, we might have passed on the opportunity of a good manager because the results weren't instant. If we get a higher class of manager next time I hope we show more patience. Good things normally do come to those who wait.
Saying that though, if it's not true I won't pretend I'm not a bit relieved. If he hasn't done the job this time next year then fair enough, but the last thing I'd want the club to do is put off a top, top manager because of the lack of patience we've shown with just a good one. Every manager we get deserves a fair crack.
SAF got stick for three seasons before the winning started. That's my fear, we might have passed on the opportunity of a good manager because the results weren't instant. If we get a higher class of manager next time I hope we show more patience. Good things normally do come to those who wait.
Saying that though, if it's not true I won't pretend I'm not a bit relieved. If he hasn't done the job this time next year then fair enough, but the last thing I'd want the club to do is put off a top, top manager because of the lack of patience we've shown with just a good one. Every manager we get deserves a fair crack.
Spot on, for me had he shown some sort of game plan, initiative or tactical ability that made me confident of him building a new team or giving him more time. But after 9 months not any shred of one.A good manager wouldn't have fiddled about for nine months without instilling a plan, not having an ounce of tactical knowledge, sucking up to one player while treating others as subordinates, not ridiculed the previous manager with petty squad comments, and the list goes on. The club is simply missing out on a manager not fit for the job. A manager fit for a club happy to avoid relegation with the odd European spot challenge. He can go manager Leeds or Fulham or whatever. Now the club can find a manager with a clue about modern tactics and training, and one that has a plan from the start.
Spot on, for me had he shown some sort of game plan, initiative or tactical ability that made me confident of him building a new team or giving him more time. But after 9 months not any shred of one.
Sir Bobby Carlton once said "United never lose, they just run out of time" and under SAF those words were true to the word.That sums it up really.
Losing games isn't the problem. It's the manner of the losing.
Spot on, for me had he shown some sort of game plan, initiative or tactical ability that made me confident of him building a new team or giving him more time. But after 9 months not any shred of one.
Sure we can say he would have paid off but i think its a far bigger risk hoping he would pay off then letting him build his team and potentially waste £200m
I get what you're both saying, honestly. I have taken it on board, and you'll just have to trust me when I say that I'm afraid my view differs..The risk of a substantial, prolonged decline with Moyes at the helm is far greater than the risk of not getting a good replacement.
You're ignoring that Fergie's CV was infinitely better than Moyes' when he arrived, which got him more time. He also had a plan and implemented it, rather than just talking about it. iPads and a scouting bunker are fine but don't make up for his appalling performance managing the team.
I get what you're both saying, honestly. I have taken it on board, and you'll just have to trust me when I say that I'm afraid my view differs..
I'm just not 100% sure he'll fail like you are, that's it really, the majority of my argument is that we don't know how good he may be in two-three years, apart from the message it sends out to other top, top managers that we have no patience as a club. I'd like to think we're different from the rest in that aspect. That's the main thing for me, not how David Moyes feels as a person.
If there are players refusing to play for him, I'd want them out too. I'm not picking one camp, I just want the best for my club!
I dont think that is a problem, all will see how we stuck with him for a full season even after the bad got worse, rather than following the rest of europe and kicking him out of the door mid-season. That in my opinion is enough to show that we do give managers time but expect them to perform. Lets be frank here Moyes record has been poor and i refuse to believe any top manager would have trouble bettering it (ie performing better not making a bad record worse).I get what you're both saying, honestly. I have taken it on board, and you'll just have to trust me when I say that I'm afraid my view differs..
I'm just not 100% sure he'll fail like you are, that's it really, the majority of my argument is that we don't know how good he may be in two-three years, apart from the message it sends out to other top, top managers that we have no patience as a club. I'd like to think we're different from the rest in that aspect. That's the main thing for me, not how David Moyes feels as a person.
If there are players refusing to play for him, I'd want them out too. I'm not picking one camp, I just want the best for my club!
But if a new manager took Chelsea, City, Barca, Real, Bayern, PSG etc. down to 7th none of us would be surprised at their sacking, this isn't Di Matteo winning the Champions League and then getting sacked. This is failing by all reasonable standards that every other club out there is wondering why he hasn't been sacked sooner. Sticking with him proves nothing, its to the detriment of the club.This had me clinging onto Moyes and wanting to give him another season. We were willing to stick it out with Moyes but to sack him now just like city or chelsea makes everything the owners or fergie or gary neville or Woodward said in the past year utterly pointless.