Was/is there a press conference for this?
Moyes So Far!
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Yeah but you'd expect him to ask the manager how high he thinks we should go for this and that. Especially when he isn't a football man.
And the fact we did feed RVP with good balls last season. Far less so this time around.
He'll get credit from me even if we lose as long as I feel he's not just bottled it and reverted to type and gone '4-4-2 with wingers, Mata outwide and hope for the best' again.
I don't get how he doesn't blame himself, but doesn't actually say who he blames.
fecking Daily Mail and their children's picturebook articles.
I'd be fine with blaming the players but when, as happened after Chrismtmas, we got back Rooney, RVP and signed Mata - and still looked crap going forward then, sorry Dave, but I don't know how to sugar coat it for you, but...it's you.
I'd go along with that.
It was one of the many reasons given as to why we weren't performing as well as we should have. I'm not sure what the latest excuse Is but I'm sure it's something that pushes the blame away from him. If the article is correct, it's slightly worrying in that he must think he's doing something right, maybe he thinks the last two games have turned his season around.
I've said it from the start of the season, top 4 was a minimum, anything else and the season has been a failure.
The Telegraph puts a different slant on it. Moyes is disappointed with himself but still thinks the majority of his decisions have been correct. He hints that the club and the team are partly to blame for the demise. Methinks he is getting his excuses in early.
Manchester United v Manchester City: David Moyes admits he is hurting and has made mistakes
Manchester United manager David Moyes says he has been hurt by the defeats suffered by his team this season and admits mistakes to being disappointed with himself
By Mark Ogden, Northern Football Correspondent
David Moyes has delivered a candid assessment of his failure at Manchester United this season by admitting to being “hurt” and “disappointed with myself” ahead of Tuesday’s derby against Manchester City.
Having overseen back-to-back victories against Olympiakos and West Ham since enduring the humiliation of a 3-0 defeat against Liverpool at Old Trafford nine days ago, Moyes has banished the immediate threat of his position being reviewed by United’s owners, the Glazer family.
But with Manuel Pellegrini’s team chasing the Premier League title and buoyed by the confidence of victories from their last two visits to Old Trafford, Moyes must summon a rare positive performance against a top-four outfit from his players to avoid further scrutiny over his long-term prospects as United manager.
Since the start of the campaign, United have won just once and lost seven times against teams in the top nine and with their miserable season being sparked by a 4-1 defeat at the Etihad in September, Moyes admits to being wounded by the many blows he has taken.
“They have definitely hurt,” Moyes said. “They have hurt more because I joined Manchester United with big expectations myself – that I was coming to the winning football club.
“I’ve got a winning mentality and that’s what I wanted to do, so I’m disappointed with myself and I’m disappointed that we’ve been unable to do that. But it has not been for the want of trying, that’s for sure.”
When asked whether he blamed himself for United’s decline this season, Moyes conceded that mistakes had been made since he succeeded Sir Alex Ferguson.
But having been criticised for dispensing with Ferguson’s established backroom team in favour of his more untested staff from Everton, the Scot insisted that the majority of his decisions had been correct.
“Look, it wouldn’t be right to say that there are things you wouldn’t maybe look at in a different way,” Moyes said. “I’ve looked back at many things and I think most of the things we’ve carried out, we would continue to do so.
“I move on [after setbacks], but the first thing you always do is look at what you’ve done yourself and then move on and see if it’s something I maybe could have done better.
“First of all, you look back at yourself and see how well you could have done, but obviously we’ve got a team and a club that’s played a part as well.
“As it has been, we’ve not had the [good] performances as regular as I wanted and that’s where we need to find that consistency where we can do that.
“We needed it sooner. We needed to win the games sooner, but in the Champions League for example we’ve been doing fine.”
Moyes claims mitigating factors for United’s struggles, again referring to their difficult start to the season – fixtures against Chelsea, Liverpool and City in the opening five games – which, according to the Scot, “hadn’t been in the Manchester United programme in the 19 years of the Premier League ever”.
When asked why opponents such as City, Chelsea and Liverpool had “flooded” United in midfield this season, Moyes said: “At half-time against Liverpool I think they had 240 passes, we had 240 passes; we had 51 per cent possession, they had 49 per cent possession.
“If you actually look back statistically, I don’t think we’ve been absolutely dominated. We’ve lost the games – it depends which way you look at it. If you’re going to tell me now that the stats were way in favour of one team I would probably show you that wasn’t the case – that a lot of them were very, very equal.”
With City’s midfield proving the dominant force in September’s derby at the Etihad, however, Moyes admitted that United must match up in that department to win on Tuesday.
“I take the point that they have got goalscoring midfield players and it’s something that is important,” Moyes said. “That contributes a lot to your goals. But we’ve got good midfield players. We still think Marouane Fellaini can get some goals and I think he’s beginning to show signs he can.
“It is an area I was made aware of and that we would try to add to if we could do, but I actually think some of the players who’ve played there have done a good job and done what they can.”
With United’s only significant win coming against Arsenal last November, the visit of City offers Moyes’s players their best hope of redemption in the remainder of this season.
“It’s important to win all the games,” Moyes said. “Big teams or small teams, you want to win them all. But we want to beat the top teams as well as the bottom teams.”
Manchester United v Manchester City: David Moyes admits he is hurting and has made mistakes
Manchester United manager David Moyes says he has been hurt by the defeats suffered by his team this season and admits mistakes to being disappointed with himself
By Mark Ogden, Northern Football Correspondent
David Moyes has delivered a candid assessment of his failure at Manchester United this season by admitting to being “hurt” and “disappointed with myself” ahead of Tuesday’s derby against Manchester City.
Having overseen back-to-back victories against Olympiakos and West Ham since enduring the humiliation of a 3-0 defeat against Liverpool at Old Trafford nine days ago, Moyes has banished the immediate threat of his position being reviewed by United’s owners, the Glazer family.
But with Manuel Pellegrini’s team chasing the Premier League title and buoyed by the confidence of victories from their last two visits to Old Trafford, Moyes must summon a rare positive performance against a top-four outfit from his players to avoid further scrutiny over his long-term prospects as United manager.
Since the start of the campaign, United have won just once and lost seven times against teams in the top nine and with their miserable season being sparked by a 4-1 defeat at the Etihad in September, Moyes admits to being wounded by the many blows he has taken.
“They have definitely hurt,” Moyes said. “They have hurt more because I joined Manchester United with big expectations myself – that I was coming to the winning football club.
“I’ve got a winning mentality and that’s what I wanted to do, so I’m disappointed with myself and I’m disappointed that we’ve been unable to do that. But it has not been for the want of trying, that’s for sure.”
When asked whether he blamed himself for United’s decline this season, Moyes conceded that mistakes had been made since he succeeded Sir Alex Ferguson.
But having been criticised for dispensing with Ferguson’s established backroom team in favour of his more untested staff from Everton, the Scot insisted that the majority of his decisions had been correct.
“Look, it wouldn’t be right to say that there are things you wouldn’t maybe look at in a different way,” Moyes said. “I’ve looked back at many things and I think most of the things we’ve carried out, we would continue to do so.
“I move on [after setbacks], but the first thing you always do is look at what you’ve done yourself and then move on and see if it’s something I maybe could have done better.
“First of all, you look back at yourself and see how well you could have done, but obviously we’ve got a team and a club that’s played a part as well.
“As it has been, we’ve not had the [good] performances as regular as I wanted and that’s where we need to find that consistency where we can do that.
“We needed it sooner. We needed to win the games sooner, but in the Champions League for example we’ve been doing fine.”
Moyes claims mitigating factors for United’s struggles, again referring to their difficult start to the season – fixtures against Chelsea, Liverpool and City in the opening five games – which, according to the Scot, “hadn’t been in the Manchester United programme in the 19 years of the Premier League ever”.
When asked why opponents such as City, Chelsea and Liverpool had “flooded” United in midfield this season, Moyes said: “At half-time against Liverpool I think they had 240 passes, we had 240 passes; we had 51 per cent possession, they had 49 per cent possession.
“If you actually look back statistically, I don’t think we’ve been absolutely dominated. We’ve lost the games – it depends which way you look at it. If you’re going to tell me now that the stats were way in favour of one team I would probably show you that wasn’t the case – that a lot of them were very, very equal.”
With City’s midfield proving the dominant force in September’s derby at the Etihad, however, Moyes admitted that United must match up in that department to win on Tuesday.
“I take the point that they have got goalscoring midfield players and it’s something that is important,” Moyes said. “That contributes a lot to your goals. But we’ve got good midfield players. We still think Marouane Fellaini can get some goals and I think he’s beginning to show signs he can.
“It is an area I was made aware of and that we would try to add to if we could do, but I actually think some of the players who’ve played there have done a good job and done what they can.”
With United’s only significant win coming against Arsenal last November, the visit of City offers Moyes’s players their best hope of redemption in the remainder of this season.
“It’s important to win all the games,” Moyes said. “Big teams or small teams, you want to win them all. But we want to beat the top teams as well as the bottom teams.”
Really don't know how it works if were honest, you would imagine the likes of Kroos and Fabregas don't need much input from the manager, my understanding was the manager between him and his scout team identified targets and the chief exce's then thrashed out the deals. That's how I saw Gill's input in the club in any case.
I also read here and there that one of the Glazers, Joel I believe is getting quite involved in what's happening on the transfer scene so you would think that the financial side of affairs Moyes will have minimal impact on.....If you discount the lowering of our stock price.
Roughly a year ago we were about to play City in our 31st league game. We were 15 points ahead of them, with 77 points. That's the most any team has ever had after 30 games in the entire history of English football.
Now we're about to play City in our 31st league game again. We're 12 points behind them and we have...51 points.
Just a bit of context there for any current discussions about the main difference between this and last season.
Now we're about to play City in our 31st league game again. We're 12 points behind them and we have...51 points.
Just a bit of context there for any current discussions about the main difference between this and last season.
On thing is different though - fecking players aren't even trying.
Some of them, arguably. Your point?
Or is this just more of the unfunny sarcasm that seems to be all you contribute these days?
Or is this just more of the unfunny sarcasm that seems to be all you contribute these days?
Yes, they never wanted to be successful before but that cruel man Sir Alex made them be successful for his own arrogant agenda.
At least now we have a manager who lets them be their mediocre selves. Thank God for David Moyes the freer of men!
I don't think it works like that. For one thing no player has an absolute value, so the manager would no more know that than anyone else. Its more about how much you're prepared to pay.
The other thing is that the way the deal is structured can affect the overall amount paid. The selling club might have the options of taking £15M in cash immediately, £20M cash over several years or £25M if some of those include performance related payments. Which of those option is best is open to debate. If the selling club needs cash then £15M in the bank now might be vastly preferable to £20M over a few years.
United as the buying club though might be happy to pay more money over a longer period - say, to account for our lack of CL income next year - so even though a player may only be worth £15M, we may be happy to pay £20M, for the benefit of being able to buy more players now (no idea if this is actually the case btw, just as an example)
Then of course there's the player contract to value up, which may be even more complicated than the buying deal. Length, basic pay, bonuses, clauses, image rights blah blah blah. All that guff has to be sorted out, and can actually cost more than the transfer. Sometimes the amount you're prepared to pay on the transfer is affected by the salary burden.
I'm sure Moyes will say to Woodward "This is my number one target, money no object" or "I'd like this guy, but only if we can get a good deal". But I doubt Moyes is really positioned to discuss financial ceilings, because they're hard to define.
The Telegraph puts a different slant on it. Moyes is disappointed with himself but still thinks the majority of his decisions have been correct. He hints that the club and the team are partly to blame for the demise. Methinks he is getting his excuses in early.
Manchester United v Manchester City: David Moyes admits he is hurting and has made mistakes
Manchester United manager David Moyes says he has been hurt by the defeats suffered by his team this season and admits mistakes to being disappointed with himself
By Mark Ogden, Northern Football Correspondent
David Moyes has delivered a candid assessment of his failure at Manchester United this season by admitting to being “hurt” and “disappointed with myself” ahead of Tuesday’s derby against Manchester City.
Having overseen back-to-back victories against Olympiakos and West Ham since enduring the humiliation of a 3-0 defeat against Liverpool at Old Trafford nine days ago, Moyes has banished the immediate threat of his position being reviewed by United’s owners, the Glazer family.
But with Manuel Pellegrini’s team chasing the Premier League title and buoyed by the confidence of victories from their last two visits to Old Trafford, Moyes must summon a rare positive performance against a top-four outfit from his players to avoid further scrutiny over his long-term prospects as United manager.
Since the start of the campaign, United have won just once and lost seven times against teams in the top nine and with their miserable season being sparked by a 4-1 defeat at the Etihad in September, Moyes admits to being wounded by the many blows he has taken.
“They have definitely hurt,” Moyes said. “They have hurt more because I joined Manchester United with big expectations myself – that I was coming to the winning football club.
“I’ve got a winning mentality and that’s what I wanted to do, so I’m disappointed with myself and I’m disappointed that we’ve been unable to do that. But it has not been for the want of trying, that’s for sure.”
When asked whether he blamed himself for United’s decline this season, Moyes conceded that mistakes had been made since he succeeded Sir Alex Ferguson.
But having been criticised for dispensing with Ferguson’s established backroom team in favour of his more untested staff from Everton, the Scot insisted that the majority of his decisions had been correct.
“Look, it wouldn’t be right to say that there are things you wouldn’t maybe look at in a different way,” Moyes said. “I’ve looked back at many things and I think most of the things we’ve carried out, we would continue to do so.
“I move on [after setbacks], but the first thing you always do is look at what you’ve done yourself and then move on and see if it’s something I maybe could have done better.
“First of all, you look back at yourself and see how well you could have done, but obviously we’ve got a team and a club that’s played a part as well.
“As it has been, we’ve not had the [good] performances as regular as I wanted and that’s where we need to find that consistency where we can do that.
“We needed it sooner. We needed to win the games sooner, but in the Champions League for example we’ve been doing fine.”
Moyes claims mitigating factors for United’s struggles, again referring to their difficult start to the season – fixtures against Chelsea, Liverpool and City in the opening five games – which, according to the Scot, “hadn’t been in the Manchester United programme in the 19 years of the Premier League ever”.
When asked why opponents such as City, Chelsea and Liverpool had “flooded” United in midfield this season, Moyes said: “At half-time against Liverpool I think they had 240 passes, we had 240 passes; we had 51 per cent possession, they had 49 per cent possession.
“If you actually look back statistically, I don’t think we’ve been absolutely dominated. We’ve lost the games – it depends which way you look at it. If you’re going to tell me now that the stats were way in favour of one team I would probably show you that wasn’t the case – that a lot of them were very, very equal.”
With City’s midfield proving the dominant force in September’s derby at the Etihad, however, Moyes admitted that United must match up in that department to win on Tuesday.
“I take the point that they have got goalscoring midfield players and it’s something that is important,” Moyes said. “That contributes a lot to your goals. But we’ve got good midfield players. We still think Marouane Fellaini can get some goals and I think he’s beginning to show signs he can.
“It is an area I was made aware of and that we would try to add to if we could do, but I actually think some of the players who’ve played there have done a good job and done what they can.”
With United’s only significant win coming against Arsenal last November, the visit of City offers Moyes’s players their best hope of redemption in the remainder of this season.
“It’s important to win all the games,” Moyes said. “Big teams or small teams, you want to win them all. But we want to beat the top teams as well as the bottom teams.”
He's been getting his excuses in early since he was crying over our 'tough start', complaints made to look ridiculous by how we've played since those early season bleets.
I try my best to like Moyes. I try my best to see the good he does e.g. West Ham (A) and give him credit for it. As much in an attempt to convince myself that it was design not accident that led him there, to give myself hope for the future. But his defeatism does my head in. I hate the way he talks sometimes. I'd prefer him to be more like Ancelotti and say almost nothing, than continue to display his fragility in these 'honest' exchanges.
It helps if you imagine SAF saying everything Moyes states publicly.
I tried to imagine Sir Alex saying Liverpool would come to Old Trafford as favourites. Didn't work.
Maybe. But I do believe in cases such as Herrera - and I think Moyes too talked about not wanting to spend more than we've offered on him - the CEO would tell the manager we're struggling to make a deal and ask if we should put the boat out further. I don't think it's that difficult to look at the value and figure out overall whether it's becoming too much.
I think at this stage we can safely assume he'll be here next season. I've little to no faith in him, but all we can do is get behind him and the side.
I really hope we beat city today, or at least put in a good performance. There has been signs in the last 2 games that he's finally coming into his own here, from his selections to his interviews (sounding a lot more bullish without that stupid insecure grin). Let's hope it's not another step backwards today.
Not sure if this has been posted. Wayne is good and back scoring goals, and we are very happy. But what's the deal with pinpointing him to the legendary level and praising him so often? Is it a public message he wants to get to Wayne so he's more motivated? It even sounds a bit annoying he's trying so hard shining Wayne's shoes (boots)! How about other players?
Or am I just biased against him a tad much?
Manchester United manager David Moyes believes Wayne Rooney is already a ‘legend’ and has backed the striker to become the club's all-time top scorer.
Read more here: http://the-fa.com/jYkDF8
Or am I just biased against him a tad much?
Manchester United manager David Moyes believes Wayne Rooney is already a ‘legend’ and has backed the striker to become the club's all-time top scorer.
Read more here: http://the-fa.com/jYkDF8
Wrong thread.
Why? "Moyes so far" is to discuss Moyes so far presumably!
Has someone been giving him media training? Alleluia he sounds like a Man Utd manager in this quote!
first time we saw a quote from him sounding positive and more like a manager of United. God bless!
That is indeed a positive statement. Hope we match it with our performance tonight.
I'd love to hear Moyes explain how the tough start caused us to lose back-to-back home games in December. Or three straight overall in January. Or to Stoke. Or to drop points to Fulham. Or give up leads late to Southampton and Cardiff. Or to be drubbed by Liverpool. Really, the tough start is the last fecking thing he should be talking about, because we've been dreadful so often since that. Hell, 0-0 to Chelsea, and 0-1 Away to Liverpool would feel like victories if they were to happen now.
Well, almost. I wish he stopped talking about our history. Sometimes I feel he's almost hoping history wins him the game. We should be winning because we should have an excellent team with the players we've got.
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A 4-3-3 with mata a wide forward.....oh, and cleverley.
Deary fecking me.
Deary fecking me.
Unbelievable... Sir Bobby really is chipping away at his own legacy with his blind faith in Moyes.
Unbelievable... Sir Bobby really is chipping away at his own legacy with his blind faith in Moyes.
TThere's a separate thread on this story
It just goes to show how low expectations are though, 2 wins and his job seems secure again....
fecking embarrassment so far
I hate him.
It's bloody heroic by his own standards.
Errrr where's the match day thread?
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